Digital Foundry: PlayStation 5/ Xbox Series X New GPU Spec Leak Analysis: 9.2TF vs 12TF?
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Well... Assuming a PS5 game is 4k and 1080p on Lockhart and we go with 4tf against 9.2tf Lockhart might push less pixels but could have better fps and better effects 😉
In that scenario I'd like a comparison of people who were all about the power 7 years ago, but now don't think power is that important.
I know you're joking, I mean PS5 can probably be played in 1080p as well :P But seriously, everyone should just assume that Lockhart will be the abslute lowest end model next gen, if it exists at all. Personally I think it sounds like a weird product, it's only there to be able to use "Next Generation Xbox - Starting at only $299!" in ads, core gamers won't touch it so in the end the XSX still needs to have a competitive price or MS will lose the pricing war anyway.
We've already seen that switch, it has been all about the games since the X. It would be more fun to see Xbox fans who're now in full love of power backpedal if Sony has a 3xPS4 Pro mode at 12.6TF too besides the other rumoured modes. Then what? Lowest price wins? Lockhart? ;P
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I'm not really joking, we won't see 1080p games on PS5.
PS5 is of course more powerful than Lockhart considering current specs, of course. But games could perform better in the end. We have seen games on PS4 pro performing better than the X version because it ran a game with lower resolution.
Yeah but how hard is it for Sony to counter that and include a performance mode that decrease the resolution? We already have that in many (most?) X/Pro versions.
no prob it's cool we're all wildy guessing and hoping and worrying and being concerned etc etc ;)
These machines are going to be $449 and $549 USD, aren't they...
I think it's also important to keep in mind that, at the beginning of the generation, the Xbone was the weaker of the two AND the more expensive option (lol mandatory Kinect). I don't think things will be as heated next generation so long as their prices are appropriate for their respective power.
You can still bet Xbox gamers will be sour if XSX is weaker than PS5 even if it's cheaper. I know I will, but I still think that will happen and I'm fine with it since I've prepaid Game Pass til 2022 and don't have to pay for the 1st party launch games. I'll jump in on PS5 eventually to enjoy the power.
The interesting scenario for me personally is that my PC will actually be weaker than the consoles unless I upgrade this year, which I won't. That's new.
I don't really care about all those teraflops, I just need a solid CPU to finally have games like Assassin's Creed that run at 60 fps.
im betting all my savings that the next gen AC game wont run at 60fps on these new consoles
The cross gen one might, but the next gen exclusive ones probably not.
Sony doesn't counter anything, this is up to the publishers and devs.
1080ti and a 6yo i7 rig with ddr3 :P
It's actually still okay though as long as I don't go nuts with the resolution, I'm not stressed to upgrade yet, will probably build an all new rig in 2021.
Will probably go with AMD for the CPU but I'm more interested in Ampere right now, unless nvidia goes completely bonkers with the pricing, which is possible :s
Yeh you should be ashamed!
Should have gotten the Xbox Zero in '95. 😂
I was trying to go for the 3900x but it was sold out and I went with the i9-9900KF
We have already fully swayed back to power doesn't matter, I'll play where my friends are etc etc. It's literally like we are stuck in a time loop every generation.
are people honestly thinking that millions of customers chose the ps4 because of killzone shadow fall? No, it's where they could play the best looking version of cod, assassins creed black flag etc. And because the media, internet etc told them it was the better box.
the reality is. Every gamer will buy one at launch and if they don't get the other straight away they will wait until the right games come on the platform, then purchase it.
which ever one is more powerful, will have "insert consoles name" is a monster until the mid gen refreshes come out....then replace with that name.....and by the end of it all we will be sat on consoles that have sold between 50 - 120 million a piece. No insane numbers of 200 - 300 mill. Just the same old console hardware numbers we've had for generations.
then rinse and repeat.
im fully in to enjoy this wild ride, just buy them all when it makes sense and stop creating pretend situations for this majority install base to stick with the box you personally prefer. The hard reality is, outside of a few million rabid fans (us) the general population listens to what the broader media/messaging says and goes with that.
are people honestly thinking that millions of customers chose the ps4 because of killzone shadow fall? No, it's where they could play the best looking version of cod, assassins creed black flag etc. And because the media, internet etc told them it was the better box.
the reality is. Every gamer will buy one at launch and if they don't get the other straight away they will wait until the right games come on the platform, then purchase it.
which ever one is more powerful, will have "insert consoles name" is a monster until the mid gen refreshes come out....then replace with that name.....and by the end of it all we will be sat on consoles that have sold between 50 - 120 million a piece. No insane numbers of 200 - 300 mill. Just the same old console hardware numbers we've had for generations.
then rinse and repeat.
im fully in to enjoy this wild ride, just buy them all when it makes sense and stop creating pretend situations for this majority install base to stick with the box you personally prefer. The hard reality is, outside of a few million rabid fans (us) the general population listens to what the broader media/messaging says and goes with that.
Tbf, if the first next gen exclusive one runs at a stable 30 that would already be a HUGE improvement over how Unity turned out.
Ubisoft was really cought off guard in regards to how weak the jaguars were. That won't happen again.
In what universe? The current gen was the gen where DF got their relevancy by overly scrutinizing footage.
Consoles drive tech. 4K TVs are getting cheaper and cheaper, and 1080p sets are dying. You have a good point, but people will be looking at getting 4K TVs in the future, and they'll most likely get a console that makes use of it.
I have a feeling DF know exactly if the PS5 is 9.2 TFs or not, but they won't say at this moment.
The reality is, people bought the PS4 because it was the Playstation of the generation and Sony was pumping out GOTY after GOTY in the tail end of the PS3 generation.
That, and it was cheaper, smaller and a bit more powerful. Easiest decision in the world.
My friend got a ban on the old forum because she pointed out that some people that were keen to point out power differences between consoles were also the same people who were saying that Titanfall on Xbox 360 and the XB1 looked 'almost identical'
We're in for a wild ride if there are big differences
Man, i hate this half step console thing. You dont "really" get the benefits of the horsepower because the base consoles exist, but they still want you to double dip to dodge shitty performance on late gen base consoles.
So double dip, not for a benefit but to dodge the quality of life hit we have created for you by releasing this half step console
There is a big chance they know indeed... they must be one of the first contact points for leakers and/or developers with SDKs. Obviously DF can't say anything definitive, that would really blow up in their face.
I am at MS end of next month... I will sneak into Phil's office ;)
NXGamer has made an interesting video with his thoughts on the PS5 situation.
He still thinks 10TFlops could be the target.
36 CU's @ 2000Mhz for 9.2TFlops seems way to hot for the final retail product.
52 CU's @ 1600Mhz for 10.65TFlops, used as an example in the video, would be a pretty good option for PS5 I think.
He still thinks 10TFlops could be the target.
36 CU's @ 2000Mhz for 9.2TFlops seems way to hot for the final retail product.
52 CU's @ 1600Mhz for 10.65TFlops, used as an example in the video, would be a pretty good option for PS5 I think.
If you could get us a pic if Lockheart, that'd be amazing. Lol
They dont, they already said that they have very few information on PS5 contrary to the Xbox , were they said a long time ago that lockhart has 4TF.
They won't tell us either way as that will be putting people in a hot spot. They have been hinting that these specs aren't very efficient.
They dont need to put peopel in hot spot, they can just something like " we have be earing this from multiple sources" or something like that, they can protect their sources.
And i do agree with your last part, the specs are not at all efficient, somebody in the Next Gen even said that this specs whould be 30% weaker compare to Xbox for 50% more power, doesnt make sense.
Of course, no doubt 4k adoption will only continue to increase. My thinking is actually for other parts of the world where said adoption is no where near as high, say compared places like US/Europe.
If anyone thinks a 9-10TF box with a good CPU and an SSD will be $399, I want the drugs you are on.
If anyone thinks there will be a near 3TF gap in consoles launching in the same year, near the same time, coming from the same manufacturer (AMD), while insiders are saying both are close in power, I really want the drugs you are on.
If anyone thinks there will be a near 3TF gap in consoles launching in the same year, near the same time, coming from the same manufacturer (AMD), while insiders are saying both are close in power, I really want the drugs you are on.
No game pushing graphics or framerates will be native 4k on PS5. Since there's little visual difference between 1440p or 1800p checkerboard and native 4k, top end games will be using that.
In fact it will be interesting if Xbox games end up wasting a lot of XSX's power going to native 4k to make it easier to hit 1080p on Lockhart.
I play pretty close to a 55'' 4k TV (PC,X1X and Pro) and CB is very noticable, to the point of being an annoyance, even in games like Horizon.
Granted, most won't sit as close as I do, so CB works out well. It's not nearly on the same level though, and it's not fair pretending that it is.