We don't clap. If you clap on an airplane when it lands, the pilot should take off again and push you out.
But if you haven't seen the film then how is that different? The fact that it is edited doesn't take away from ones emotional response.
And as far as having an "actual investment", how does a sports fan have rights to claim such a thing over, say, a fan of anything else? I love my local sports teams, but I can appreciate someone elses equal or superior fervor when it comes to other subjects.
And you know what? Yeah, I would compare Infinity War to a playoff game (even though in my post I said watching sports in general, but w/e). But instead of it being a season leading up to it, it was 10 years.
Do you feel the same about people cheering or clapping while watching sports at home?
Here's the thing, you can't compare watching a movie in a cinema with watching sports at home or even in a bar. At home you're alone, if you're in a bar you're already in a public and noisy environment with people who will mostly be fans of the thing you watch. If you watch Infinity War at home or just with a bunch of hardcore Marvel fans, you can cheer and clap all you want. However, if you are in a packed cinema, it's incredibly rude to cheer and clap to your fellow moviegoers who might just want to enjoy a movie in peace.Do you feel the same about people cheering or clapping while watching sports at home?
Europeans are sticks in the mud, we in America know how to get down.
Here's the thing, you can't compare watching a movie in a cinema with watching sports at home or even in a bar. At home you're alone, if you're in a bar you're already in a public and noisy environment with people who will mostly be fans of the thing you watch. If you watch Infinity War at home or just with a bunch of hardcore Marvel fans, you can cheer and clap all you want. However, if you are in a packed cinema, it's incredibly rude to cheer and clap to your fellow moviegoers who might just want to enjoy a movie in peace.
If you're so dead-set on comparing clapping and cheering in a cinema with sports, you can only compare it to watching a live sport in a stadium or arena, where of course clapping and cheering is he norm because you're watching a live show and you're showing your support and excitement to the team and the players.
Europeans are sticks in the mud, we in America know how to get down.
I think the reversed statement in a similar way would be insulting to Americans so I'm not sure it's a great position to take
I disagree, but I genuinely appreciated the discourse.My point would be that, yes you may not know exactly what is going to happen, but these are fictional characters in a setting where most fans will have an idea of the outcome. There will be attachment to characters and it will be emotional, but end of the day whether or not captain America survives or not for example, it doesn't actually negatively affect anyone's life/career/etc.
In live sport real people's lives are being affected and people are invested in actual real people.
I'll concede that some may be as emotionally affected by the film's, comics, etc as much as sport because they have heavily invested into the characters. But really we know the good guys will win, it is a fixed outcome, there aren't nearly as high stakes. Sport doesn't work like that obviously, anything can happen, and it's actual competition rather than a planned narrative
When challenging the claim that it's a social norm and it's 'commonly understood' that an initial showing will be a boisterous affair it's more useful to draw on the myriad of examples where American posters have stated they've never seen it occur than it is to draw on the multiple posters who've claimed it's a common occurrence.
I'm uncertain; I think it's too multi-faceted a phenomenon to put down to a singular cause, but an inability to narrow down the specific root of a phenomenon (and I'm not even certain if it is particularly widespread in America as opposed to just certain geographic regions within America) doesn't render you unable to challenge reasons proposed or make what I would view as flawed reasons suddenly less flawed.
If I was to guess I would think that culture in America which in many ways promotes ones individual success and beliefs above those of others to be a prominent factor but probably not the only one. America is a country strongly rooted in capitalistic ideals where socialist values were demonised for decades and I think this contributes to a culture where ones own needs are commonly portrayed as being above the needs or feelings of strangers (particularly visible in how contentious an issue universal healthcare is in America where a substantial portion of people are unwilling to make comparatively small sacrifices [even if beneficial long-term] for the needs of the community as a whole). Competition is drilled prominently into American culture and this places a much higher focus on individuality and in being self-sufficient than collaborating with and supporting others to achieve a joint success. I think in such a individual-focused culture people could put more value in their own personal experience and their own desire to be heard than they put in the experience of others and that is a contributing factor to the cinema experience described in the OP.
But ultimately I don't know; the above is a guess at something that might be a factor. I'm not going to claim to know or bluntly state something as the reason when I don't. I will, however, challenge claims that the nature of media hype is somehow inherently different or that there aren't events internationally which are seen as communal experiences but still manage to maintain a calm theatre experience where it's entirely possible to have fans of a franchise behave in a quiet manner in a cinema.
I think the reversed statement in a similar way would be insulting to Americans so I'm not sure it's a great position to take
I.E - Americans are loud and like the sound of their own voice too much
Or the other take on your statement - Europeans are respectful of their surroundings and fellow movie go-ers
No mention of opening night in OPI'm sorry, but if you're watching Infinity War on opening night, you're watching it with hardcore Marvel fans. There ain't no couples casually wandering in for date night to a showing that sold out months in advance.
Absolutely, admittedly I may have bias given I am a football fan and have been for some time and do not extend that type of support to MCU/DCEU/Star Wars, but absolutely would do to the staff/actors involved in person
Oh man. This thread is something else. Some of you have really outed yourselves as harboring really toxic views of Americans.
The amount of "hardcore Marvel fans" would likely be higher than usual, yeah, but you can't selfishly start to cheer and clap along assuming that everyone there will be okay with it. "Hardcore fans" might actually also be annoyed by it since cheering and applauding will drown out the dialogue and music for the people around you.I'm sorry, but if you're watching Infinity War on opening night, you're watching it with hardcore Marvel fans.
Lol, I was giving an example, not one that I actually agree with. I'm just reversing the idea as I'm unfortunately very used to the English being referred to as sticks in the mud when it is absolutely not the caseOh man. This thread is something else. Some of you have really outed yourselves as harboring really toxic views of Americans.
Also, in response to your edit: Where I'm from (The Netherlands) you definitely have people casually walking in a screening of big movies on opening night. In fact, I've done it. I've been to opening night screenings for The Force Awakens, Rogue One, The Last Jedi and a few Marvel movies and almost always I bought my ticket that morning, a day in advance or even on the night itself.I'm sorry, but if you're watching Infinity War on opening night, you're watching it with hardcore Marvel fans. There ain't no couples casually wandering in for date night to a showing that sold out months in advance.
Yeah, we buy tickets always the same evening we want to watch them, unless its a big event movie. But from 24 attended screenings in a year, I buy in 20 cases the tickets on the same day.Also, in response to your edit: Where I'm from (The Netherlands) you definitely have people casually walking in a screening of big movies on opening night. In fact, I've done it. I've been to opening night screenings for The Force Awakens, Rogue One, The Last Jedi and a few Marvel movies and almost always I bought my ticket that morning, a day in advance or even on the night itself.
The only screenings that sell out a month (or sometimes months) in advance over here are special screenings at specialized cinemas, like the annual screenings of The Room at several arthouse cinemas, this year's screenings of The Big Lebowski in honour of its 20th birthday or the Lord of the Rings Extended Edition marathon I'm going to this weekend.
Idk, works for everyone here were I live and nobody is here "extra" like you are saying it.But if you're expecting an audience of passionate fans to sit there on opening night like they're attending a funeral service, you're being pretty extra too.
Well yeah, midnight showings etc are different, like I said in an earlier post.But it's what we're talking about regardless, whether we're all clear on that point or not. The behavior in question really doesn't occur outside of opening weekends. I would argue that an enthusiastic communal atmosphere is a net positive for any popcorn movie viewing, but even if I thought it sucked, there should still be space for people to express delight in experiencing a thing that they love. If you're still screaming at Thor's arrival at your third showing a week later, yeah, you're being pretty extra. But if you're expecting an audience of passionate fans to sit there on opening night like they're attending a funeral service, you're being pretty extra too.
Europeans are sticks in the mud, we in America know how to get down.
Well yeah, midnight showings etc are different, like I said in an earlier post.
Perhaps the OP should be clarified
However - two movie theater experiences with lots of yelling and/or cheering and audience participation were Grindhouse (opening night at midnight) and Farenheit 9/11.
No, we just aren't rude to other paying customers who want to watch a film in peace and quiet.
So I had rightly assumed you meant at any time, but with the caveat of being in the presence of "fans"I dont mean any specific time I just meant "fans" of the genre.
I'm what we call a "4 for 4" guy, meaning I watch all 4 major American sports. When I'm at a game I can tell the difference between the fans of the sport and the dudes there to close a business deal or the couple on date night. These folks show up for a regular season game all the time abd of course that's fine but the playoffs is more catered to "real" fans. (Except EAGLES games where every game is hardcore).
I specifically mention Infinity War, Thor's Return and the "Fans" in the OP because if that's not the nerd equivalent to a game 7 I don't know what is.
The narrative is "live" for the both the sports fan and moviegoer alike and applause and cheers are NOT exclusive to any specific reaction if you suspend disbelief. Pro Wrestling, Monster Trucks, Disney on Ice and even the circus are all live events and scripted and folks tend to cheer (involuntary) when something fantastic happens.
Grindhouse was fantastic in theater!
Obnoxious. and. Disrespectful
Canadian here and this part made my theater lose their shit. People were cheering like crazy.Never clapped, but everyone was cheering when Thor arrived.
Scotland, UK.
So I had rightly assumed you meant at any time, but with the caveat of being in the presence of "fans"
WWE may be scripted, but as we have found out in some specifically unfortunate instances, anything however terrible or funny can happen, like live sports.
"Anything" can happen in a film, but is about fictional characters and therefore doesn't actually have any real consequences, hence why the energy is different.
End of the day, by all means clap, cheer, etc and when I go see a film in a situation with a high amount of "fans" I know what I'm getting into. But if it is 3 or 4 "fans" in a cinema full of "normal" viewers then I'd expect respect given to the other customers. Hollering in the UK definitely won't go down well more often than not, but I certainly wouldn't complain about hollering if attending a screening that I know will be rowdy
Obnoxious. and. Disrespectful
(I don't actually mean that, but at least have an ounce of awareness of the problem with the way you are framing this)
Aye, likewiseThis has been such an interesting topic. I never knew this would evolve into such a discussion. Good Talk
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On the contrary. But our parents love us and notice us. So we don't have to make that much noise.
On the contrary. But our parents love us and notice us. So we don't have to make that much noise.
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