If a billionaire can buy his way into the election this country is capital F fucked regardless of the outcome.
Bloomberg would absolutely not act in the interest of the marginalized people.
He also isn't the nomination yet.
Democratic Presidential Primary |February OT| It Can't be Worse than Iowa, Right? (Discussion Guidelines in OP)
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If a billionaire can buy his way into the election this country is capital F fucked regardless of the outcome.
Bloomberg would absolutely not act in the interest of the marginalized people.
He also isn't the nomination yet.
That's not equally racist as banning people from whole countries from coming here and cutting all immigration in half.
I'm saying it's better than Trump regardless. Also after citizens United the billionaires are buying the elections anyway.
The most bloomberg will do is use his delegates to influence the democratic GE platform kinda like sanders did in 2016 if I recall.
Is a wannabe Oligarch really that much better then a wannabe Dictator?
So what do yall think Blooms will be up to on the day of super tuesday? Will he be at 700 million on ads?
he encourages them to be arrested instead. I think I'm talking about racism as in ther own ideals and views, while you're talking about the scope of effect their racism has had.
Once again, THIS is the energy. What a damned sad state of affairs from some people in here . Rationalizing Biden, Pete, Bloomberg when we aren't even at the General yet
But that was an uncontested convention. Hillary won the majority of delegates. In a brokered convention, all bets are off and your performance in the primary ceases to matter. There's no reason to believe the party wouldn't at least consider him.
I agree with you, but I would submit that Biden and Pete are on a different plane of existence, and circumstances, than Bloomberg.
Pete's progressive on a whole host of issues. He's just not viable because he has -7.3% black support.
I really don't get the appeal of Buttigieg. I would be pissed if I was Kobuchar.
I don't know how to check it, but there is a comment that says "In this poll 74% of voters are 45+" If that is true, then the whole poll is skewed.
Eh he's definitely not the only candidate not attacking other candidates.
For example, Steyer hasn't done that. It's important to bring up Steyer because he has been campaigning longer than Bloomberg and has spent exactly as much money as Bloomberg has and he for entire year before his presidential run fueled a campaign to impeach Trump.
So he has done almost exactly the same things Bloomberg has done but even before Bloomberg entered the race.
Bloomberg flat out has a much more experienced team which is why he is polling so well while Steyer only has South Carolina going for him.
This poll has under-45s crashing in contrast to the 2016 primary. From 41% to 26%.
It all depends on how close the candidate with the most delegates is to the magic number. If sanders has only like 25%-30% support with like 1400 delegates while the 2nd place candidate has like 1200 delegates there's a chance the second place candidate is chosen instead of sanders. if sanders has >1700 delegates while the 2nd place candidate has like 1200 delegates or less I do not think the dems will stop him from being the nominee.
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Honestly I would really feel better if Sanders won by more than 2%
the main issue is no one has won enough support from the people, someone needs to get the upper hand, preferably before the convention, and once there, can negotiate and settle the nomination so we head into the general.
my personal hope is we can keep our clawing at each other low enough to not hurt November and settle this quickly and decisively at the convention WITHOUT ppl running away from the party screaming "rigged"
im not sorry, i dont give a living fuck about any of this BS going on with the primary, just figure the shit out and prep for November. Anyone moaning about Bloomberg should remember we spent 4 years having our rallying cry be "Trump out" it ain't the fucking time to walk back, that goes for moderates, progressives, all of us.
hey, maybe im wrong and we can drop this rally cry and it wont affect the general, but its been working good so far, so lets not fuck this up.
my personal hope is we can keep our clawing at each other low enough to not hurt November and settle this quickly and decisively at the convention WITHOUT ppl running away from the party screaming "rigged"
im not sorry, i dont give a living fuck about any of this BS going on with the primary, just figure the shit out and prep for November. Anyone moaning about Bloomberg should remember we spent 4 years having our rallying cry be "Trump out" it ain't the fucking time to walk back, that goes for moderates, progressives, all of us.
hey, maybe im wrong and we can drop this rally cry and it wont affect the general, but its been working good so far, so lets not fuck this up.
This GIF will come in handy once the NH results come in.
Anyone consider maybe democrats mostly care about dumping Trump? That all the energy is vs Trump? That article on Politico about how primary turnout isnt that high: https://www.politico.com/news/2020/02/04/iowa-caucus-low-turnout-110674
i still think opposing trump is our best bet at getting voters to the polls.
Same.
I agree with most, but not all, of Sanders' stated policies. But I want to rally behind someone and put the internecine fighting behind us. (Yes, I know we're in primary season and that's the point.) But if we're taking a critical look at it, Warren's trending downward; Pete has no minority support and isn't getting any; and I don't even know if Biden's trying to tank his own campaign. While I personally would be fine with any of those candidates and have donated to both Pete and, of late, Warren, they're not happening.
I want Bernie to win by resounding margins and start planning a transition, which will mean relying upon the established party structure, so that he can start identifying nominees for political appointees. (Restoring competency in institutions is big for me.)
Basically, I just want to avoid a brokered convention at all costs, because that way lies fuckery.
That would be a horrific result for Bernie. God, this field is so damn weak.
Right, this is the point I'm hammering in. I certainly don't care for Biden or Pete as candidates, but they do at the very least fall in line with the traditional values and stances of the Democratic party. I'd hold my nose and vote for them in a general election because they are, at least, Democrats. A Bloomberg nom would essentially allow a Republican to hijack the party because he spent tons of money - a Republican that was still backing Republican politicians and policies just two years ago. That would be a horrifying result and break the party. I cannot stress this enough and I'll shout it from the rooftops if it gets even a few people to take seriously the idea that we can't have Bloomberg win the nomination.
You think higher of the DNC than I do. But even then, I think the prospect of any candidate leading by more than a few points and not getting the nomination will turn things all kinds of ugly- experimental, underground kinds of ugly.
I like Bernie, I don't like to see him sad like this. He may not be the most popular (quick, someone quote me and tell me how awful he is) candidate here but he always came off like he worked hard, weather right or wrong.
He really didn't have to run this time, should have listened to Bams.
If the turnout and new voter trends from Iowa hold, I would be genuinely shocked if Bernie manages to win on the first ballot at this point (as much as I want him to). It would also cast serious doubts on the viability of ANY of the candidates during the general, given how Trump will have full party backing and his favorability numbers are far higher now than they were in 2016.
...you mean Biden right?
Not only did Obama not want him to run this time, one of the reasons Obama even picked him as VP in the first place is that he never expected Biden to run for president again in the first place. He's hitched his campaign to the coattails of someone who didn't want it to happen in the first place, yet constantly comes off as fragile and aggravated whenever he isn't treated like the anointed one. Given how uneven (at best) his actual campaigning has been in practice he has no business acting so entitled.
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Well that's Biden.
He was never bad and his policies would still make him the most liberal president in US history. And his policies are actually overall good for the country and can be implemented fairly swiftly with a Democratic Senate. He definitely has a ton of experience and actually knows something about foreign policy. Was involved in many big deals and policies made during the Obama administration including various picks, he was a bit more hands on VP than normal especially on foreign affairs (also negotiated for Ukraine). He has also been through A LOT in his personal life but he still keeps going on, I honestly feel that like many other Democrats who threw themselves in the field he really only did it because he truly believes that Trump is an existential threat. His recent quote was: "I have lost a lot in my life... but I'll be damned if I lose my country too!"
His weaknesses are that he runs a poor campaign/ground game and is not a good orator or debater. Well he WAS a solid debater back in his prime but not anymore. He is also kinda taking the black vote for granted and may get punished hard for it. He also took the electability lane but then showed that he was very weak in gaining old white voters which is a very reliable voting block.
If Iowa and early numbers are showing..young people are not coming out..like at all.
Not a good sign. I'll stop repeating myself though with my negativity about what November is looking like.
If you listen to pundits and Maher she's the next Obama
Everyone else ".....who?" And the rest "doesn't she throw staplers? "
Sanders needs Biden, or Bloomberg. Biden is likely to drop out, everyone likes an admirable defeat. Sanders is in trouble if it's him vs Buttigieg.
Unrated pollster, most of the people polled said they wouldn't vote
what is this lol
But they did.
Iowa Democratic Turnout Prompts Concerns About Voter Enthusiasm
Democratic turnout for this week’s Iowa caucuses fell well below expectations, leading some in the party to wonder if the state has become more conservative—or if voters aren’t as enthusiastic about defeating President Trump as they hoped.
www.wsj.com
cross tabs say 44% of respondents voted Trump in the 2016 general election!
I will shed not a single tear for Uncle Joe, I will whiplash my head shaking it if it's Pete to such an extent
Bloomberg might get stronger if there is a brokered Convention, but right now Buttigieg is the main problem.
And it is a problem, not just because he is gaining traction, but because he is everything you really do not want to have in this election:
There is no "well, he is young, educated & smart, he probably would have an efficient-enough Government" type of argument. His record as major pretty much tell us what kind of politician and approaches he uses (nevermind his whole working for McKinsey).
And the way he handled the 2 scandals with PoC leaders, specially regarding the recordings, automatically makes him a weak and incredibly easy target for Trump.
Unfortunately, it seems a good portion of the Democratic base are getting the approach of: everyone of them is better than Trump, so Primaries are not relevant.
And him heavily channeling Obama (right to mannerisms and inflections), likely makes him more attractive, even if he is really all just platitudes and empty phrases.
And it is a problem, not just because he is gaining traction, but because he is everything you really do not want to have in this election:
There is no "well, he is young, educated & smart, he probably would have an efficient-enough Government" type of argument. His record as major pretty much tell us what kind of politician and approaches he uses (nevermind his whole working for McKinsey).
And the way he handled the 2 scandals with PoC leaders, specially regarding the recordings, automatically makes him a weak and incredibly easy target for Trump.
Unfortunately, it seems a good portion of the Democratic base are getting the approach of: everyone of them is better than Trump, so Primaries are not relevant.
And him heavily channeling Obama (right to mannerisms and inflections), likely makes him more attractive, even if he is really all just platitudes and empty phrases.
yeah the CIA animatronic who polls terribly with minorities is the real threat here
We cannot allow Bloomberg anywhere near the nom. This guy is complete trash
Lets be real for a second. Anyone who doesnt want to vote for transphobic, racist Bloomberg in a general election is completely valid. No one can tell you to vote for someone who spits in the face of your identity.
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