Democratic Presidential Primaries & Caucuses |March OT| Last Tuesday was 1000 years ago, old news no one cares about (Discussion Guidelines in OP)
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Even if he's done, it's worth fighting just to drag Joe Biden to the left in case he pulls it off.
Ohhh dang, should have splurged for the exotic animal - mammal attack health insurance package.
Don't write him off just yet, this was always going to be an uphill battle
He's the only moderate candidate I'd be excited for Biden to run with. Shrug.
He's in the position Biden was in a week ago or so. He'll have to pull a last minute come back to still be viable.
It was for sure over when Bloomberg exited the race...his only hope was the more moderates staying in for awhile and Warren dropping out...
This clip with Mehdi Hasan essentially outlines why I think Biden will get absolutely demolished by Trump. He hasn't been vetted publically yet and has been hiding in the corner during the debates. Once his skeletons start coming out of the closet, it's going to be attack after attack on him. I hope that I'm wrong and that democrats will come out and vote for the GE, but I'm not very hopeful on Biden's chances.
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I don't think Bernie stays in it until the convention like he did in 2016. I get the sense that he genuinely likes Biden, even if he vehemently disagrees with his policies. Whereas in 2016, there did seem to be some personal enmity between Hillary and Bernie.
It wouldn't surprise me if Biden's camp is having backroom conversations with Bernie's camp to make some concessions in hopes of avoiding a messy, prolonged primary season a la 2016.
At least that's what I would hope is happening. Or maybe Bernie really is too stubborn and proud to concede.
It wouldn't surprise me if Biden's camp is having backroom conversations with Bernie's camp to make some concessions in hopes of avoiding a messy, prolonged primary season a la 2016.
At least that's what I would hope is happening. Or maybe Bernie really is too stubborn and proud to concede.
Biden is awful on the debate stage but let's not act like Trump is some incredible orator.
It's gonna be a sad sight seeing them two of them going at each on stage.
It's gonna be a sad sight seeing them two of them going at each on stage.
This clip with Mehdi Hasan essentially outlines why I think Biden will get absolutely demolished by Trump. He hasn't been vetted publically yet and has been hiding in the corner during the debates. Once his skeletons start coming out of the closet, it's going to be attack after attack on him. I hope that I'm wrong and that democrats will come out and vote for the GE, but I'm not very hopeful on Biden's chances.
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“"I don't think [Biden] can survive a two-hour debate with Bernie one on one." - @mehdirhasan https://t.co/T1vjYGiv9m”
Joe Biden hasn't been vetted yet? Joe Biden? Former Vice President Joe Biden?
Come on.
Could be entertaining because Diamond Joe probably won't take any of Trump's shit. Biden doesn't have to navigate the unfortunate "likable" issues that a woman candidate like Hillary had to do and can basically tell Trump to go fuck himself.
Ya know what annoys me about this take? Its that people think its fair that a campaign, or that even voters who don't pay attention to politics, should be to overcome what is literally a mountain of effort built squarely on the motivation on maintaining the economic system of keeping the low and middle class in extreme debt and keeping all the money and power at the top - and yet its on BERNIE that he won't overcome all of it.
And yet, when Bernie even goes a little negative on 'the establishment', he gets blasted for trying to trying to burn the party to the ground.
Despite all of this, we have a candidate in Joe who, much like HRC in 16, we have to just assume will have voters turn out for him, even though his campaign is literally anemic on the ground. Or that all of the Trump fuckery with launching investigations into his family's foreign business interests - Ukraine announced another investigation into the Bidens like a week ago - and yet we need to just assume ya know: he got this.
Americans are dumb, and the political landscape is built purely to ensure that a radical idealist will never rise to power in this country if his interests go against the upper-class. Its all good - let Joe lose while the D's sit there and wonder how they could've avoided more GOP w's.
You can try my topic
Voter turnout surged in Super Tuesday states that ditched caucuses
Also this https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2020/3/4/21164591/super-tuesday-election-results-voter-turnout-caucus
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This clip with Mehdi Hasan essentially outlines why I think Biden will get absolutely demolished by Trump. He hasn't been vetted publically yet and has been hiding in the corner during the debates. Once his skeletons start coming out of the closet, it's going to be attack after attack on him. I hope that I'm wrong and that democrats will come out and vote for the GE, but I'm not very hopeful on Biden's chances.
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“"I don't think [Biden] can survive a two-hour debate with Bernie one on one." - @mehdirhasan https://t.co/T1vjYGiv9m”
Biden hasn't been vetted publicly? Odd take considering his decades of being in the political spotlight including 8 years of VP. For whatever it's worth, people like him.
Right? This is one of the weirdest takes I've seen the past few weeks with people suddenly making it sound like Trump is some incredible speech writer. Dude literally says shit like:
Look, having nuclear — my uncle was a great professor and scientist and engineer, Dr. John Trump at MIT; good genes, very good genes, OK, very smart, the Wharton School of Finance, very good, very smart — you know, if you're a conservative Republican, if I were a liberal, if, like, OK, if I ran as a liberal Democrat, they would say I'm one of the smartest people anywhere in the world — it's true! — but when you're a conservative Republican they try — oh, do they do a number — that's why I always start off: Went to Wharton, was a good student, went there, went there, did this, built a fortune — you know I have to give my like credentials all the time, because we're a little disadvantaged — but you look at the nuclear deal, the thing that really bothers me — it would have been so easy, and it's not as important as these lives are — nuclear is so powerful; my uncle explained that to me many, many years ago, the power and that was 35 years ago; he would explain the power of what's going to happen and he was right, who would have thought? — but when you look at what's going on with the four prisoners — now it used to be three, now it's four — but when it was three and even now, I would have said it's all in the messenger; fellas, and it is fellas because, you know, they don't, they haven't figured that the women are smarter right now than the men, so, you know, it's gonna take them about another 150 years — but the Persians are great negotiators, the Iranians are great negotiators, so, and they, they just killed, they just killed us, this is horrible.
Also, no one who already likes Biden is going to stop intending to vote for Biden because he made a gaffe or said something that made him look foolish. We're used to that. If anything, Trump's bullying is just going to make people want to vote even harder for Biden.
oh my state always votes blue. i'm just worried about the swing ones.
Counterpoint: only after getting clobbered in super Tuesday. Bernie's camp purposefully never sought to embrace the Democratic establishment, going so far as having his boosters be actively antagonist towards it. But now that the establishment is no longer fractured between numerous candidates, Bernie's camp is realizing pretty quickly that maybe making enemies of everyone isn't a winning strategy going forward.
It's time Iowa.You can try my topic
Voter turnout surged in Super Tuesday states that ditched caucuses
Also this https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2020/3/4/21164591/super-tuesday-election-results-voter-turnout-caucus
Honestly? Joe Biden really hasn't. Joe does wonders appealing to scared WWC voters, but the top of the ticket was Obama. Hes the one who got all the vetting.
Joe and his family have enough business interests in foreign countries where we are gonna see investigations, even if they don't lead into anything, get launched both here and abroad. Ukraine already announced an investigation into Joe & Hunter a week ago. You're gonna see stuff come out from the Biden's business interest in China as well. And Trump fears no retaliation for doing so - we impeached him for trying and it didn't work!
In all honesty, our best hope is the economy tanking and entering a recession. And I say this as someone who has no intention on voting for Joe Biden in the GE. This is the 'safe' choice Americans wanted right? Have at it! Enjoy Trump term 2.
Trump over performed during his first Clinton debate. The moderation was terrible and Lester Holt and them consistently let Trump overtalk during his turns.
He's going to use the loud and brash crap again.
He's going to use the loud and brash crap again.
Joe might be fine for the first 5 minutes but then after that he'll need a nap meanwhile Trump will power through for another hour because he's fuelled by a small mountain of coke and the fact he speaks in gibberish no longer holds any shock value to us.
It will be a car crash.
Honestly he'd still win even in that case.
If you removed "Obama" from Biden's resume, there's definitely more not so nice stuff in there than there is nice stuff.
yeah i understand people not being excited for biden but some of these posts are just
yikes
Trump is going to say he did a new trade deal that got rid of the horrible NAFTA. Biden does need to go left on some issues, especially ones that Trump cut Hillary on.
Also, it was a lifetime ago, but Biden trounced Paul Ryan in the VP debate back in 12. Admittedly that was with 8 less years of brain decay, but he could well be better in a 1 on 1 debate. Being more consistently engaged will give his mind less room to wander
Pretending Biden is an gonna have an ensured win is a risky gamble and we've been here before in 2016. Just look at what's happening in Israel's election with a similar candidate to Trump.
There's not really much a correlation here.
Hillary was defeated by Trump, yet she defeated Bernie, who was projected to be the stronger opponent against Trump. Just because Bernie is struggling here doesn't mean he has a worse shot at Trump or is the weaker/failing politician. Especially considering there are a lot of factors here contributing to Biden's victories, that have nothing to do with Biden "inspiring" people.
Saying "he's doing poorly, so he's a weak candidate if he can't do anything here" is a very simplistic way of looking at it.
How popular is Biden in the Rust Belt compared to Sanders? Would think his support for NAFTA wouldn't help there.
That's not vetting you're talking about. It's ratfucking. And Trump is going to ratfuck anyone and everyone. Doesn't matter who the nominee is. No one is safe from made up bullshit.
Joe Biden does incredibly well against politicans. Trump is NOT a politican - he's an entertainer. Joe Biden taking Paul Ryan to task works when you're framing the debate squarely along the lines of political attacks.
Trump doesn't go for political attacks cause he's a moron on politics, but a part of him knows he is. Instead, Trump relies on his showmanship, and Americans lap that shit up. Again - HRC ran circles around Trump and Trump was still being viewed as having won at least the 2nd debate. And if Trump does falter at all, Fox News is there to spin the propaganda on his behalf. And all of this is assuming Trump even shows up, which nothing even states he has to.
Heck, Trump could very well launch investigations into the Biden's foreign business deals and then claim he will not attend the debates because he refuses to debate candidates who are under investigations. Why the fuck not - just puts Joe squarely in the frame of being under investigation, which is exactly what the GOP wants in someone they are running against. Something which we are gonna hand them.
Said progressive bloc don't even vote, just retweet.
Biden has been in politics for fifty years, he was VP for 8 years and a Senator for 30. You actually believe he hasn't been "vetted"?This clip with Mehdi Hasan essentially outlines why I think Biden will get absolutely demolished by Trump. He hasn't been vetted publically yet and has been hiding in the corner during the debates. Once his skeletons start coming out of the closet, it's going to be attack after attack on him. I hope that I'm wrong and that democrats will come out and vote for the GE, but I'm not very hopeful on Biden's chances.
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“"I don't think [Biden] can survive a two-hour debate with Bernie one on one." - @mehdirhasan https://t.co/T1vjYGiv9m”
Trump will ratfuck any & everyone. But in Biden's case, Trump gets to ratfuck a guy who supported NAFTA, a thing the rust belt hated so much they legit hate-voted against HRC in 16. And Trump ALSO gets to say he signed the trade deal that upended NAFTA.
Where is the evidence Biden is increasingly unpopular?
There's a difference between ratfucking and holding official investigations into Joe's family, as stupid as they are. Then again, the American people continue to vote against their interests over and over again so I don't know why I'm surprised.
Yeah I don't think that's why they voted against Hillary.
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