WB should figure out how to make the Flash Force real and then they could go back in time and never hire Ezra Miller
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It could be another 3-5 years before they can align schedules to shoot again. This movie was meant to be the reboot of the franchise… I just don't see them spending this much then waiting years to reshoot it.
Yes. It's physically and technically possible to reshoot all of it. It's not probable though.
Either way, I'm sure WB is trying to figure out what the hell to do. But they need to release a statement or something extremely soon, even if just to say they are investigating.
Is it a reboot, realignment or just a Flash film?
I get Keaton is in it, Flash goes to his world and he is in the Batgirl film which I presume is his world like in the flash film but does DC going forward hinge on this Flash film? Are all the other DC characters getting chucked out or reimagined in a Flashpoint so Wonder Woman 3 isn't a sequel of current Diana, but a Flashpoint one, same for others, they recast as they go if that comes up, say Superman, Joker, Harley etc. or keep the actors but they are from different universes and different?
It's kinda… all three?
There are spoilers out there if you want to read them.
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Been through this. The pronouns thing isn't about Miller. It's about other people. Move past it. There is no one saying Miller is a stable or misunderstood person.
That's my take on it. Unless Ezra kill someone or get someone killed, they will try to release it, because that's how a corporation would act.
If they see that in a year's time things didn't get worse and people forget about it or the discussion is relegated to some Twitter and Forum users, yeah, they will release it.
In their mind they probably think they did the best did: Not working with Ezra ever again.
Another problem with reshooting or delaying the film is the fact that already filmed movies like Batgirl, depend on the release of the Flash for the plot to make sense. So, you have to retool Batgirl as well and spend more money, let alone whatever other movie is connected to The Flash. WB entire theatrical slate gets effected as well
You can't do a total reshoot, what I expect is a tens of million dollar overhaul to cg replace Ezra's face with the new actor they choose. CG combined with a deep fake could probably look ok, there is no way they can just scrap the movie and refilm it.
I mean, I feel like a lot of people just flat out don't know about the allegations, too. This isn't some S-tier Hollywood celeb working on an Endgame-level comic movie. It's a generally barely known actor working on a Flash movie that even a lot of DC fans aren't particularly hyped for even without knowing all of the allegations.
theres no way they reshoot this. they'll just say, "we dont condone their actions and will not be working with them in the future, but here's the movie"
As has been explained by people in the film industry, this is not a feasible option.
This is equivalent to saying it's okay to calling Bill Cosby a racial slur because he's a serial rapist.
This is pretty much it. I think they either release it as is in theaters, drop it unceremoniously on HBO Max, or the third idea I like is to can it and shoot a 10-15 minute short film with Keaton et. al explaining the new status quo going forward for DC movies.
Unless Ezra murders someone though I think the movie still gets released in some form. I'd like to think they're stopped long before that happens.
How the fuck did they structure their films? Even Marvel has it such that you could watch Shang-Chi or No Way Home without seeing Endgame(which is what my parents did and were able to follow). How can The Flash be so integral they can't just release the ones after it? And I've read the plot leaks, yes it may be random why we have a Keaton Batman movie or a Supergirl movie but people can roll with it
Last we heard the planned intervention fell through because WB backed out. At least according to Tokatas family.
That is almost sure what's going to happen.
People who think they'll scrap a 200 Million dollar finished movie, get everyone back together one day, who knows when, including director, crew and all the cast with a new lead and shoot the whole thing again while also delaying Batgirl and other DC movies that may hinge on The Flash are delusional.
LOL yea good luck with that. The only way that happens is if they lock Ezra in the WB basement for the next 8 months.
It's not getting reshot. The scheduling issues alone make it *more* impossible, than spending money to replace Ezra.
There's little repoint remaking it, if you can't bring back all the cast that show up in other DC movies.
But before everyone posts that one quote from Variety again, I think they should scrap it, and do whatever reshoots Batgirl etc need to have them make sense without it.
People stick their heads in the sand whenever I talk about the potential liability that WB will face if they release this thing and Ezra does something to a fan of the movie like the things they have been accused of. If WB put out a movie starring Ezra as a role model, they will be indelibly associated with whatever Ezra may have done.
Same as Subway and Jared. And at least some of the suits are going to be well aware of that. Unless they're seriously thinking about doing the full marketing budget, putting this thing in cinemas isn't going to make them all that much. Same if they drop it on HBO Max.
If they make a single *cent* on this film, and Ezra harms a kid who loves the character in the movie, WB will end up paying that money out tenfold to the family, etc.
Eat the $200 million. Skip to Batgirl, etc.
Deadline: Zaslav’s First Movie Crisis: What To Do With Ezra Miller, The Erratic Star Of Warner Bros’ $200M ‘Flash’ Franchise Launch
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This is baffling. I was out having a TMNT / Valorant night out with friends and missed the Deadline article about this that came out 21 hours ago. When me and others said that Warner Bros. Discovery needed to speak up, I don't think anyone had in mind something as tone deaf as this:
Zaslav’s First Movie Crisis: What To Do With Ezra Miller, The Erratic Star Of Warner Bros’ $200M ‘Flash’ Franchise Launch
Zaslav’s First Movie Crisis: What To Do With Ezra Miller, The Erratic Star Of Warner Bros’ $200M ‘Flash” Franchise Launch.
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It's also disgusting how Deadline is acting like a mouth piece from Warner Bros. Discovery trying to paint what is happening as "low-level" scandals:
Notice how they underplay what has happened the last two months, how they completely 'forget' about the Daily Beast's / CNBC's new accusation of grooming attempts by Ezra Miller with a 12-year-old accuser or the fact that the Iron Eyes accusation of grooming isn't an isolated even, but one of the three separate accusations of grooming and abuse that Ezra Miller is facing the last two months, they never mention those:
‘You took everything from me’: Young person on TikTok accuses Ezra Miller of being an abuser
This is not the first allegation made against the actor.
www.dailydot.com
12-Year-Old Granted Order of Protection Against Ezra Miller
The Daily Beast spoke with the alleged victim—a 12-year-old nonbinary child—their mother, and their neighbor, who all described the night “The Flash” star allegedly menaced them.
www.thedailybeast.com
The fact that Deadline is underplaying this by completely ignoring the grooming and abuse accusations and trying to paint a picture that what is happening now is less 'disturbing' than the April 2020 video of Ezra Miller choking what appears to be a fan of them is a new low for Deadline that I didn't expect them to be capable of. It's disgusting.
I'm not saying its on Snyder, I mean his fanbase and their reactions to things.
And Deadline's story feels more like a press release than a actual story on this.
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Never mind new accusations, let's go with the ones that we already have right now: the Iron Eyes accusations. Let's say that Gibson / Tokata changes their mind and say they were indeed abused and groomed in the upcoming months, if not something worse than this. If a tragedy happens, the Iron Eyes family has already gone on record saying they reached out to WB trying to resolve this situation privately and get both Gibson / Tokata Iron Eyes and Ezra Miller professional mental help:
Ezra Miller Accused of Grooming and Brainwashing 18-Year-Old
The parents of a teenager have waged a series of allegations against Miller, including grooming and abuse.
www.etonline.com
We also know that the grooming process that happened with Gibson / Tokata directly involved them flying to the UK to a Fantastic Beasts premiere. Never mind a new fan getting hurt by Ezra Miller using that as leverage to groom, abuse or doing worse with them: if something even more sinister happens with Gibson / Tokata and their parents can prove that they reached out to Warner Bros. Discovery before coming out publicly with this in desperation, that's on Warner Bros. Discovery too. Warner Bros. Discovery is into deep with this, and they are potentially liable to what happens with Ezra Miller's eventual next victims, but the ones we already know right now.
I can't believe there hasn't been any resolution yet. They are a high profile celebrity seems like they would be easy to locate.
They're not that high profile, unless they're causing a ruckus. Plus, they have a remote house in Vermont and they can hop on a plan whenever needed. I don't think they have a "normal schedule" as of right now.
Turn it into a who frame Roger rabbit sequel and just have the flash as a cartoon rabbit drawing
Dont even explain why, would make the film 10 times more interesting
Dont even explain why, would make the film 10 times more interesting
My 13 year old nephew asked me if they were going to cancel or reshoot this movie. That tells me the story is definitely getting out there.
WB: "Hello, Disney? Yea, can we borrow the Roger Rabbit IP for a second?" :P
Warner will 100% release this movie one way or another, they have too much money riding on it and spending more money to unfuck it likely won't make it more profitable in the end.
At this point in time I think they will release it in theaters as is, Ezra is still a grave concern since they might fuck things up way more, but right now this feels like a Baby Driver situation where Ezra will be dumped by Hollywood following the release of the movie.
Ideally they should trash their $200 million production or add another $100 million to reshoot a significant portion of it in order to remove Ezra, but neither is acceptable for Warner either.
Release the movie, have it earn some of it's budget back and then forget it ever happened.
At this point in time I think they will release it in theaters as is, Ezra is still a grave concern since they might fuck things up way more, but right now this feels like a Baby Driver situation where Ezra will be dumped by Hollywood following the release of the movie.
Ideally they should trash their $200 million production or add another $100 million to reshoot a significant portion of it in order to remove Ezra, but neither is acceptable for Warner either.
Release the movie, have it earn some of it's budget back and then forget it ever happened.
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I think the problem is, this movie is supposed to set the stage for all of the future dc universe projects. Supergirl is introduced, other characters are in this as well and this makes changes from the past movies to introduce a new story going forward. Nevermind that Keaton and his Batman returns in this and he is also going to be in the new batwoman movie and appears to serve a mentor role going forward.
So yeah they will most definitely release it one way or the other imo, but, this isn't just a movie that they can push out and just be done with it and pretend it never happened. It is essentially the first book of a spanning series.
At the very least they likely need to edit the ending and kill off the character somehow unless they are going to try and address his disappearance in a future movie without Ezra
I would 100 percent support a complete reboot of every character and every actor
I will miss Cavill but I doubt he will return anyway. Momoa would be a shame but it is what it is. Complete reboot.
I just don't think it makes sense from a money perspective. There are just too many projects tied to this universe, some already filmed, some in the process of filming. From Black Adam, to even Peacemaker to a lesser extent. Then things like supergirl. Nevermind Aquaman 2 is getting close.
The Flash was supposed to be a light reboot. Now they need a reboot of the reboot. It is a mess.
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Yeah the mess is now so big they have to work with what they got. Maybe they will make something out of it, but I won't bring my hopes up.
As far as this whole Ezra situation goes, I think they will pray no bad news comes out anymore and that everyone forgets by next year or dump the movie on HBO Max and recast Flash. Recast will happen anyway at this point.
Complete reboot makes as much sense as the idea of 400 million people out there donating 50 cents to WB to scrap this project so that WB doesn't take a loss. While both technically could happen, neither are a likely reasonable outcome of what will happen.
I know, which is why I will enjoy my time with stuff like The Batman and maybe the occasional fun dceu hit like Shazam or Aquaman.
Yeah, actually showing a replacement at the end of the movie is not necessary. They can just recast when they want another Flash appearance.
They missed out on locking Miller up in the WB water tower with Yakko, Wakko, and Dot.
At this point they would need to CG a different flash over Miller to release the movie despite the cost. There's no way they can release it now and pay him royalties.
Anyone who knew of Miller's behavior and helped hide it need to be banned from the industry or be considered accomplices.
At this point they would need to CG a different flash over Miller to release the movie despite the cost. There's no way they can release it now and pay him royalties.
Anyone who knew of Miller's behavior and helped hide it need to be banned from the industry or be considered accomplices.
I feel like a deepfake would be fine , look at how ILM flexed with Luke after a not so great initial go at it … plus it's fine if it's a bit wonky, you just need an actor willing to digitally stand in. Also there was that one I believe German movie that used similar tech to make the mouthes of the actors match the dubbed language. I feel like there are options.