I would be shocked if they do anything but lie low and hope things calm down. Start the marketing campaign late and hope for the best next summer
I'm not trying to be argumentative but why is it WBs responsibility to do anything? The article says we are owed an explanation by WB…but why? I see folks saying that WB could have stopped their spiral a long time ago, but I don't see how and why it's the companies responsibility to make Ezra act right. I am happy to learn, and perhaps I just don't know enough about the situation, but folks here be treating WB like the bad guy when they are just a corporate entity that's trying to put out movies.
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Saying they were investigating the situation at very least would be better than nothing. Saying that Ezra is out and they are recasting the character would be the ideal, yes. Their inaction clearly isn't a bad look, just look at the online reaction to that.
As for the apologetic part of your post, I've pointed out on my previous post. WB is a big corporation that is enabling a child abuser to keep putting kids and other people in danger, and this is clearly not just one accusation on the last two months. That's simply not something any studio or employer cannot take seriously, even more so if they are in the business of selling superhero power fantasies that are aimed to kids.
I agree. Law enforcement is the one that needs to act right now. Any comments from WB would probably just enflame the situation.
Indeed. And if they do release it and a young fan of the movie ends up suffering some of the stuff Ezra is accused of doing to other kids, the liability alone would likely dwarf any money they'd recoup by dropping this on HBO Max.
Does anybody actually think it would be a good idea for WB to publicly denounce Ezra's actions and cut all ties with them when we don't know what mental state their in at the moment? Not sure I feel comfortable giving them even more reason to act up if they feel they have nothing to lose. They're clearly a danger to themselves and others.
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I've seen some shit tracking this online. And yeah, there is evidence that Miller preys on their own fans, that will happily defend them. They are literally running a sex cult joint in a farm that it's targeting kids and young adults, it's Charles Manson-esque type of shit and I'm kinda stunned how much people seem to not wrap their heads about that.
The first thing you have to do to take down someone like them is take away their power to impress kids. They have money and can get parents impressed by offering their kids horses and shit, but cast them away out of Hollywood by disavowing them at least raises a big red flag to other parents. The situation is clearly out of control and demands swift and proper response by their employers, even more so after the fact that one of their accusers with enough clout to reach out to WB tried to get them to sort this privately but ended up being unsucessful.
I would imagine they would be more vulnerable and easier for them to groom, so yeah, fucked up. "Nobody will understand you like I do, not your friends or your parents". Throw in the fact that Ezra is a frakin superhero on the big screen, these kids stand little chance.
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There are three accusations, the three accusations involve non-binary people, yes.
The first one is a 19-year-old that came forward while the Hawaii tirades were blowing up and it's called Mia Solange, which claims that they were a former partner of them that was abused by Miller, also they claim that they would ironically misgender them and calling them with she/her pronouns. The second one is Gibson / Tokata that their parents accuse them of grooming since they were 12-year-old. The third one is obviously unnamed because they were then 11-year-old and now a 1k-year-old kid that they have started grooming by offering them horses, claiming they were an illuminated being and that their mother couldn't have no control of them and that they would be lucky to be guided by them which came forward with the Daily Beast article that was published yesterday.
All of them AFAB, all of them a lot younger than Miller, if not underage. The last kid had their name doxxed online by an Ezra Miller cohort, lackey and band partner that lives with them on Twitter yesterday, which tells you a whole fucking lot about these people.
This is the most likely outcome no press, no fan fare , no premiers just a release date announcement then rquiet release on hbo max next year
Indiewire: Warner Bros. and DC Should Ditch Ezra Miller as ‘The Flash’ — Here’s Why
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Yet another article by a mainstream media source with the opinion that Warner Bros. should drop Ezra Miller and just recast them for the Flash role. It's very well written and researched, including an VFX artist interview:
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Warner Bros. and DC Should Ditch Ezra Miller as ‘The Flash’ — Here’s Why
A not-funny thing happened on his way to becoming a superhero: Ezra Miller is now a toxic asset.
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WB's handling about this whole situation and Miller in general have been all kinds of shitty, but I personally find it hard to care about the fate of the movie when the situation's still unresolved. They still should at least put out a statement distancing themselves from Miller, even if they hadn't decided what to do with the movie itself.
Meanwhile, I'm far more concerned about Tokata/Gibson's wellbeing and others around Miller. The reports don't paint a pretty picture, and I'm afraid we're waiting for the other shoe to drop if the authorities can't put a stop to this.
Meanwhile, I'm far more concerned about Tokata/Gibson's wellbeing and others around Miller. The reports don't paint a pretty picture, and I'm afraid we're waiting for the other shoe to drop if the authorities can't put a stop to this.
Deadline says Ezra isn't apart of WB's plans going forward, but they're still deciding what to do with this movie.
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Zaslav’s First Movie Crisis: What To Do With Ezra Miller, The Erratic Star Of Warner Bros’ $200M ‘Flash’ Franchise Launch
Zaslav’s First Movie Crisis: What To Do With Ezra Miller, The Erratic Star Of Warner Bros’ $200M ‘Flash” Franchise Launch.
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Yeah, I don't think anyone's really doubting the fact that Miller will not be back for any future projects anyway, but it's good to hear that there's finally some rumblings about what WB's doing, that they're talking about this. They still need to address the matter head-on, though. Release a damn statement or something.Deadline says Ezra isn't apart of WB's plans going forward, but they're still deciding what to do with this movie.
Zaslav’s First Movie Crisis: What To Do With Ezra Miller, The Erratic Star Of Warner Bros’ $200M ‘Flash’ Franchise Launch
Zaslav’s First Movie Crisis: What To Do With Ezra Miller, The Erratic Star Of Warner Bros’ $200M ‘Flash” Franchise Launch.
Photoshop Erza's face like how Henry Cavill's beard was photoshopped in Justice League, but this time even more estensively. Basically make Flash be a complete CGI character with different face, and remove their name from credits.
Cut as many scenes that involve showing Barry Allen's face up close without mask on. Mix in more blurry shots to obscure their face, and as I said, use more CGI to tweak their face so there are little resemblance to Erza.
It's been said repeatedly that this is unfeasible due to both cost and Miller being in over 90% of the movie due to playing multiple characters. They'd have to actually reshoot the movie in its entirety.
Miller's playing dual roles with a lot of unmasked scenes, that's just not realistic.
They literally can't do this. It's not feasible.
With "The Flash," insiders say it would not be possible to replace Miller without reshooting the entire movie. They are in just about every scene, and there is not enough digital technology in existence to configure that magic without going back to square one. And redoing the entire film is not a realistic proposition for any movie — much less one that wrapped production months ago and already cost hundreds of millions.
Bite the bullet WB :/
Snyder-cut the Batman scenes into a series of shorts that you can recycle onto HBO max and move on
Snyder-cut the Batman scenes into a series of shorts that you can recycle onto HBO max and move on
Disney damn near wrapped Solo before they reshot the whole thing and its biggest problem was that the writers and producer thought it kinda sucked. And that was a literal "no one asked for this" spin-off, not the foundation of a reboot to their most critical film property with a cult-leading kidnapper and child groomer starring front and center.
True, but shooting on The Flash wrapped in October 2021. Up to now that's 8 months of post-production so the movie may actually be completely finished, beyond various smaller tweaks particularly to the special effects that I'm sure they're still working on. It's not uncommon for that to be the case and various marketing forces dictate that a movie should be released much later than after it's done.
None of this is me saying they should release the film. Just that it would be truly surprising if they scrapped it.
The source of that was Deadline, already posted here:
Deadline says Ezra isn't apart of WB's plans going forward, but they're still deciding what to do with this movie.
Zaslav’s First Movie Crisis: What To Do With Ezra Miller, The Erratic Star Of Warner Bros’ $200M ‘Flash’ Franchise Launch
Zaslav’s First Movie Crisis: What To Do With Ezra Miller, The Erratic Star Of Warner Bros’ $200M ‘Flash” Franchise Launch.
Ezra is done and WB should just either scrap the movie or release it elsewhere with little to no marketing.
At the same time, does WB have an obligation to even address what's going on here? I just don't feel like they even need to address what's going on here other than just discuss amongst themselves that they won't get Ezra on projects anymore after this.
At the same time, does WB have an obligation to even address what's going on here? I just don't feel like they even need to address what's going on here other than just discuss amongst themselves that they won't get Ezra on projects anymore after this.
Not the same thing at all.
70% of Solo was reshot and Howard came in during filming. There was about a month of filming left and then another month or so was added for reshoots. Paul Bettany was brought in to replace an actor who was not able to return for those reshoots.
The Flash has completely finished filming. It finished eight months ago. WB would not be doing reshoots -- they would be creating and filming a brand new movie from scratch.
They would be recasting the main actor of the film, setting a multi-month filming schedule, redoing contracts and perhaps changing the story of the film itself. What happens if Michael Keaton isn't available?
"Reshooting" The Flash would be a tremendously more difficult and expensive task than what happened with Solo.
Sure they can. It would involve a lot of reshoots, but they can.
No. They can't. It is literally not possible.
It would not involve "a lot" of reshoots. It would involve refilming the entire movie.
They can't. The other actors and crew members would have their schedules all lined up. They won't be contractually obligated to even sign back on. So even if they were to wait years and refilm an entire new movie, there's no way to make sure they could get everyone back, and at that point it means trashing the current movie entirely. No reshoots.
I still don't understand why the studio just can't edit Ezra Miller (They / Them) out of the movie? My favorite edit of the Phantom Menace deleted Jar Jar out of the movie. I think Kevin Spacey was deleted from a movie recently that people thought would be impossible but it actually worked. Apologies if this was already explained
Yes. And I'm saying that's what they should do. Scrap it, save anything that can be saved, and redo the whole movie.
They're the main character of the movie, playing two roles(maybe even more). They're in nearly every scene of the movie.
that sounds like a bold gamble. This strategy is betting that Ezra won't get into yet more trouble AND that the current trouble he's in sees a favorable ending with Tokata returned back home and presumably Ezra getting some counseling.
The safer gamble -- imo -- remains to recast and reshoot with a big name as Flash. Someone who could drive $800m BO instead of the $400-$500m Ezra would do in even the best case. They gain positive PR, they put the role on an actor they can trust with the franchise, and they ensure a bigger pay day for their troubles.
I see far more reward than risk by recasting now. But again: it'd be essential that they can bring in an exceptional actor that the fanbase would be really happy with. I imagine most are VERY indifferent to Ezra Miller. Upgrades are available.
yep, this is the play. The longer they wait, the more painful this likely becomes for them.
it is both feasible and realistic. The only question is whether the brass has the stomach required to bet on the franchise lasting a decade with the same actor and to find their own equivalent of a Chris Hemsworth for the role. The potential bank they could make off a Flash franchise that *doesn't* have to recast the role in the middle of the progression of the DCEU means NOW is the best time to make this move. And with the right actor, it's likely to mean they make more than they would make simply trying to release a movie with a lead that the public has soured on. If the movie can make $300m with Ezra at the helm and $800m with a bigger, safer name...you do the fuckin reshoot.
Every day they wait is them actively fucking up.
And as has been explained numerous times: that is not feasible. It is not realistic.
How are they going to edit the main character out of his own movie? Ezra isn't playing some side character in the film. They're the lead.
I think the best case scenario that's still likely here is dumping it on HBO Max with as little advertising as possible.
No, it's not.
You and others saying this do not understand what this would take. You are describing filming a brand new movie. This would be another 5-moth shoot that would require casting a new lead actor and making sure the other actors are available during that same time frame.
And when does this shoot happen? Keaton is directing and starring in a movie set to start filming in late August. So do you wait for him to be available? What if he has another movie lined up after that? Do you write him out, which would drastically change the film itself? What about Affleck's role?
I'll quote IDontBeatGames' post from this very page, in which he quoted sources in a Variety article that understand this situation far better than anyone saying "they can just reshoot."