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FreezePeach

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
12,811
I'm really confused by the narrative purpose of the Alice twist.

The only thing that gets shown is that... Kara acted really stupid for most of the game?
It was supposed to show that Kara felt like she was experiencing something special with a human child when in fact it was a child model designed to want a mother. I mean, it was meh attempt at trying to present hypocrisy or something.
 

More_Badass

Member
Oct 25, 2017
23,631
The atmosphere in the game can be incredible at times

These had such horror movie vibes
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While these were wonderfully crime thriller/noir/Seven. That second one could practically be concept art, looks so good
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Carpathia

Member
Oct 25, 2017
1,199
Do they ever explain how Markus can "wake up" other androids?


Cyber Life orchestrated the revolution, Markus is a special model of android, they gave him (and Connor) the power to wake up others for the purpose of starting and later fuel the revolution. That's the way I understand it.


It doesn't even make sense why he dies if you jump in the water. He just randomly keels over.

Such a stupid forced death.

Makes sense to me, because they are in the water that doesn't mean they are invulnerable, if bullets damaged the boat, why not one of the characters too?, they were just behind the boat not deep under water. Sucks though because you want him to life and reach Canada with the girls.
 

alexbull_uk

Prophet of Truth
Member
Oct 27, 2017
1,924
UK
I got the everyone alive ending

- I had Kara keep the bus tickets, with Alice and Luther. I didn't let her memory get erased at the big guy.
- Markus kissed North and had the president call off the attack.
- Connor converted the clones and resisted Amanda's hacking attempt.

Now I have to get a few more magazine covers and also get the remaining trophies.

can someone tell me if I HAVE to tarnish all my hardwork and choose SAVE or can I choose DO NOT SAVE, carry out the condition for the other trophy and still get it?

and for the magazines, do I have to pick up the magazine and finish the chapter or can I just quit to the menu at the next save point?

You can use 'DO NOT SAVE', it's what I've been doing.

You don't need to finish the chapter to get any of the other events to trigger trophies, so I'd assume you're fine to quit as soon as you've read each magazine. Probably worth checking that one though.
 

Rayne

Member
Oct 25, 2017
3,634
Makes sense to me, because they are in the water that doesn't mean they are invulnerable, if bullets damaged the boat, why not one of the characters too?, they were just behind the boat not deep under water. Sucks though because you want him to life and reach Canada with the girls.

Eh I guess it makes sense but it still feels pretty forced especially given all the other times Luther can die from wrong place wrong time. Then of course is how neither Alice or Kara are even scratched in that scenario yet Luther's injured enough to instantly die. It just really doesn't sit well with me.

At least there's the bus though.
 

NoKisum

Member
Nov 11, 2017
4,913
DMV Area, USA
Man, how'd so many of you guys keep letting Luther die? When he joined us after Zlatko's house, keeping him alive was my main priority. I hope y'all didn't get caught up by them human tears at the bus stop. That family will be just fine.

Also, is there any way to get Chloe back on the main menu? We let her go since it made since for the story and now I miss her. The main menus feel bare without her.
 

wapplew

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
1,163
It was supposed to show that Kara felt like she was experiencing something special with a human child when in fact it was a child model designed to want a mother. I mean, it was meh attempt at trying to present hypocrisy or something.

Also explained why Todd is such an asshole and blame Alice for everything.
My head canon, Todd had a nice family, wife and a daughter (picture in Alice's box). one day the daughter die, they buy Alice hope to "replace" their daughter but things go south.
 

Gemeanie

Member
Oct 27, 2017
443
SEA
The entire Russian Roulette chapter is wonderful.
"Sumo! Attack!"
"Woof!" *does nothing*
"Good dog. Attack!"
 

Medalion

Banned
Oct 27, 2017
12,203
I really must suck at keeping my Androids alive, but is it possible to play the entire game without replacing Connor even once?
 

Medalion

Banned
Oct 27, 2017
12,203
Fuck, no wonder Amanda was giving me the ol' "I'm gettin' really tired of yer shit, Connor."
 

Lee Chaolan

Member
Oct 25, 2017
4,520
Hey, I know this is the spoilers thread, but can someone tell me if the rock with the hand print in Amanda's garden is ever explained later?

I used it every time I returned but didn't really understand its use
 

Gemeanie

Member
Oct 27, 2017
443
SEA
I know it's early in the game's life span, but I was pretty proud to stumble across a couple paths that well, 0 and 1 percent of people have reached yet.

Didn't even really fuck around too much, was pretty cool.
Shit, I know the second one but do you still play Markus after he left Jericho? I assume the last chapter is Connor vs North now?

Hey, I know this is the spoilers thread, but can someone tell me if the rock with the hand print in Amanda's garden is ever explained later?

I used it every time I returned but didn't really understand its use
Kamski dropped the hint but you'll find out as Connor at the very end of his story
 

shinobi602

Verified
Oct 24, 2017
8,412
Clancy Brown did such an awesome job.

Meeting the FBI agent for the first time and hearing "What a fucking prick..." was so Clancy and had me rolling.
 

hydruxo

▲ Legend ▲
Member
Oct 25, 2017
20,468
Hey, I know this is the spoilers thread, but can someone tell me if the rock with the hand print in Amanda's garden is ever explained later?

I used it every time I returned but didn't really understand its use

Yes. Without going into too much detail, it's an important part of one of the late game chapters.
 

Reszo

Member
Oct 31, 2017
876
Hey, I know this is the spoilers thread, but can someone tell me if the rock with the hand print in Amanda's garden is ever explained later?

I used it every time I returned but didn't really understand its use

It does actually, in the last chapter, granted you take the correct routes. Just remember where it's at
 

Lee Chaolan

Member
Oct 25, 2017
4,520

TimFL

Member
Oct 28, 2017
239
Germany
...

Some issues I had:
- In the Eden Club, I was able to successfully track the deviant to the room she was hiding in(BTW, somehow that turned out to be North???, at least I assume it was. If you have Markus complete a romance with her, she admits she was a sex android and strangled a client then escaped) but upon seeing the cutscene of her hiding in one of the private rooms, I started moving Connor towards it. A cutscene triggers with Hank saying we ran out of time to find her and expressing disappointment in Connor. Which made no sense, because I knew exactly where she was and they were speaking as if we couldn't find her. This kinda pissed me off, because multiple times after this my "failure" to find the deviant keeps being brought up.
- In my playthrough, Markus went deviant when the artist's spoiled son kept hitting him. The push Markus gave him results in the son falling and breaking his neck. Yet later in the game, when Markus goes to visit the dying artist, you can check his voicemail and see a message from his fresh out of rehab son, stating he wants to come see him. I think the game simply didn't record the choice Markus made correctly earlier in the game.

Hopefully those two issues can be resolved in a patch at some point.

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I don't think these are bugs. She is not in that room, when you enter it it's empty and you have to continue the search. I agree that it's not clearly explained though.
The voicemail could be an old one he kept. Maybe even from the day his son died (to hear his voice from time to time?).

It doesn't even make sense why he dies if you jump in the water. He just randomly keels over.

Such a stupid forced death.
In one of my playthroughs, where it's just Kara and Alice on the boat, she explains that the cold water permanently damages your components.

Did anyone shoot the Chloe model to find out what Kamski knows?
He allows you to ask him one question and you are presented with 3 or 4 topics I think (rA9, Virus, Jericho location).

I got the everyone alive ending

- I had Kara keep the bus tickets, with Alice and Luther. I didn't let her memory get erased at the big guy.
- Markus kissed North and had the president call off the attack.
- Connor converted the clones and resisted Amanda's hacking attempt.

Now I have to get a few more magazine covers and also get the remaining trophies.

can someone tell me if I HAVE to tarnish all my hardwork and choose SAVE or can I choose DO NOT SAVE, carry out the condition for the other trophy and still get it?

and for the magazines, do I have to pick up the magazine and finish the chapter or can I just quit to the menu at the next save point?
You don't have to save to get a chapter trophy. Only exceptions are certain magazines, there are a handful of mags that span several chapters (a choice in Ch X triggers the mag in Ch Y).
There is no point in not saving though, your game is over. It might overwrite the blue/active path for that chapter (or chapters you play) but it's a good thing because you unlock more content in the decision chart.
Also, starting a new game preserves past decisions in the chart and does not lock chapter select. You have to play chapters in one go through, you can't decide something in Ch X then back out and go to Ch Y, you have to connect both chapters in one sitting (or one overwrite chapter play).
 

Rayne

Member
Oct 25, 2017
3,634
Once you leave Jericho, it shows Markus up on the top of a nearby building. It gives you one last chance to save "Your People" or "Leave Forever'

and yep! That makes it Connor vs North and it's fucking cool.

Wait so Markus can just be like "screw this I'm out?"

HAHAHA perfection. I wonder if Connor goes deviant could he become leader because of that.
 

Lee Chaolan

Member
Oct 25, 2017
4,520
Yeah I did haha. She says something like "Oh okay...well, I'll just reset my memory and forget about all of this."

ahhh that's amazing. Wish I had picked that one, Main Menu is too boring now.

lol

She did thank me for it, and said "I will never forget you." Then you see her walking away into the distance.

Wait so Markus can just be like "screw this I'm out?"

HAHAHA perfection. I wonder if Connor goes deviant could he become leader because of that.

Yep, that's pretty much what happened in mine. lol.

Hmm That would be cool for Connor, I had him resist Deviancy up until the end, but maybe that can happen.
 

Rayne

Member
Oct 25, 2017
3,634
In one of my playthroughs, where it's just Kara and Alice on the boat, she explains that the cold water permanently damages your components.

Well yeah but it takes time for that to happen to Kara when she jumps in she doesn't instantly die.

Yep, that's pretty much what happened in mine. lol.

Hmm That would be cool for Connor, I had him resist Deviancy up until the end, but maybe that can happen.

Too good.

And yeah it'd be a pretty cool ending for Connor. I wonder if Markus wanders back to Carl if he's still alive.
 

Lee Chaolan

Member
Oct 25, 2017
4,520
Gaaaah I did so well but got Hank killed at the end.

Everybody else made it.

Gaaaah

Same. Made me sad, but my end path lead to either or the other dying. and we were at Friends status earlier too =/

And yeah it'd be a pretty cool ending for Connor. I wonder if Markus wanders back to Carl if he's still alive.

See, I purposely pushed back against his Son because I wanted to keep Carl alive but didn't see him the rest of the game. Wonder if he's there on one of the paths.
 

Lee Chaolan

Member
Oct 25, 2017
4,520

Rayne

Member
Oct 25, 2017
3,634
Same. Made me sad, but my end path lead to either or the other dying. and we were at Friends status earlier too =/



See, I purposely pushed back against his Son because I wanted to keep Carl alive but didn't see him the rest of the game. Wonder if he's there on one of the paths.

He is. Connor can have a nice heart to heart with him (or a more concerning conversation).
 

Chaserjoey

Keeper of the White Materia
Member
Oct 27, 2017
8,655
Choosing to save your playthrough when jumping into a chapter means if you continue on from that point, it will take your new choices into account. It will save the new options on your flowchart while showing your previous choices. If you choose to save the actions you do in a chapter and then jump to a future chapter, it will continue on from your first playthrough, since it's going off the data from the previous chapter. This means you can't just jump around killing Connor or killing Leo and then jumping forward to Waiting For Hank and read the report about android families.

You can also jump into a chapter and perform the actions required for a trophy / read a magazine and then quit to the menu. It will unlock the trophy / add the magazine to your collection, so you don't have to finish the chapter like I foolishly though for a bunch of my misc trophy unlocks.

The trophies that require longer playthroughs than jumping into a chapter then quitting are the magazine ones (some magazines change in chapters depending on actions taken in previous chapters), keeping everyone alive (starting with Simon in the Media Tower chapter. You have to keep Connor, Kara, Alice, Luthor Markus, North, Josh, Simon, and Jerry alive), and killing Connor the required amount of times (up to Hank's suicide, I believe. Mine unlocked after he shot himself and North declared war on the humans).

Hope this helps fellow trophy hunters and people wondering about jumping in chapters to view new things.
 

Gemeanie

Member
Oct 27, 2017
443
SEA
I think North will always lead if Markus is not around. I killed off Markus and Josh after converting Connor and to my disappointment he still ended up leaving to Cyberlife after talking to North.

It'd have been amazing if Connor gets to lead a protest/revolution but perhaps that was meant to be where Markus shines. In fact there's no good outcome for Connor at all without Markus around.
 

Chaserjoey

Keeper of the White Materia
Member
Oct 27, 2017
8,655
I think North will always lead if Markus is not around. I killed off Markus and Josh after converting Connor and to my disappointment he still ended up leaving to Cyberlife after talking to North.

It'd have been amazing if Connor gets to lead a protest/revolution but perhaps that was meant to be where Markus shines. In fact there's no good outcome for Connor at all without Markus around.
No good outcome for Kara without Markus protesting peacefully either. They all need each other in order to survive <3
 

Deleted member 11018

User requested account closure
Banned
Oct 27, 2017
2,419
What endings did you guys end up with? I ended up winning the violent revolution with Markus but both Josh and North were killed in the process. I killed Simon back at the broadcast tower..

I saved them all (and was surprised to see it was the less likely result on the achievements).I had a peaceful revolution, robotic love, robotic family, and robotic n man buddies.
That said, it cost me some chapters rewinds, which i said to myself i would not do. but i just could not leave things as they were. I couldn't see Carl have a heart attack because of a drugged son behavior, i just had to fool the policeman at Rose's place, i could not have my party miss the bus, so i had to rewind quite a few times.
Oddly, i managed to have my Connor always live through, and for that, i was happy :)

Man i loved how Hank says out loud why the fuck is your voice so weird connor (or something like that xD).
That said, i wish there were more Chloe interactions in the menu, it was a great idea.
 

Rayne

Member
Oct 25, 2017
3,634
I think North will always lead if Markus is not around. I killed off Markus and Josh after converting Connor and to my disappointment he still ended up leaving to Cyberlife after talking to North.

It'd have been amazing if Connor gets to lead a protest/revolution but perhaps that was meant to be where Markus shines. In fact there's no good outcome for Connor at all without Markus around.

You can't get her killed? :( That's lame. Connor you had one job!

It would've and wait how does it end badly? Does North refuse to use the dirty bomb?
 

nib95

Contains No Misinformation on Philly Cheesesteaks
Banned
Oct 28, 2017
18,498
He just gets sent back to Cyberlife for deactivation. Poor Connor :(

Ironically, even if you succeed in your mission and kill Marcus on the battlefield, as well as shoot dead North etc, he still ends up getting deactivated and replaced with a newer, better model :(

Side note, the worst encampment ending for Kara and Alice is truly one of the most distressing and depressing things I've seen in a video game. Like, holy shit. Thank fuck you can still escape from the camp with Alice and Luther/Jerry (if they're there). But the fact that you can actually also leave the camp without Alice, abandoning her altogether, is cold as fuck. Whoever actually chooses that option is an evil, evil person.
 

Rayne

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Oct 25, 2017
3,634
Ironically, even if you succeed in your mission and kill Marcus on the battlefield, as well as shoot dead North etc, he still ends up getting deactivated and replaced with a newer, better model :(

Side note, the worst encampment ending for Kara and Alice is truly one of the most distressing and depressing things I've seen in a video game. Like, holy shit. Thank fuck you can still escape from the camp with Alice and Luther/Jerry (if they're there). But the fact that you can actually also leave the camp without Alice, abandoning her altogether, is cold as fuck. Whoever actually chooses that option is an evil, evil person.

Well yeah but that Connor deserves it he kills Markus/North I don't feel bad in that scenario :P

I think I might actually pick it. I'm not that evil :P

But in that scenario I really can't blame someone for running.
 

Gemeanie

Member
Oct 27, 2017
443
SEA
You can't get her killed? :( That's lame. Connor you had one job!

It would've and wait how does it end badly? Does North refuse to use the dirty bomb?
In my run she became bulletproof storywise in Jericho and escaped with Connor after he initiated the bomb.

Her scenes played automatically after Connor left and eventually she died in the war. From there it's the same for Connor, requested to give speech, learns truth etc

Ironically, even if you succeed in your mission and kill Marcus on the battlefield, as well as shoot dead North etc, he still ends up getting deactivated and replaced with a newer, better model :(

Side note, the worst encampment ending for Kara and Alice is truly one of the most distressing and depressing things I've seen in a video game. Like, holy shit. Thank fuck you can still escape from the camp with Alice and Luther/Jerry (if they're there). But the fact that you can actually also leave the camp without Alice, abandoning her altogether, is cold as fuck. Whoever actually chooses that option is an evil, evil person.
I'm not sorry=)
I'm sorry I was too curious=(

I can't believe they actually made an epilogue scene for that ending.
 

Rayne

Member
Oct 25, 2017
3,634
In my run she became bulletproof storywise in Jericho and escaped with Connor after he initiated the bomb.

Her scenes played automatically after Connor left and eventually she died in the war. From there it's the same for Connor, requested to give speech, learns truth etc


I'm not sorry=)
I'm sorry I was too curious=(

I can't believe they actually made an epilogue scene for that ending.

Rip my Connor leader of the rebellion dreams.

Oh not bad at all.