c'mon now, you can praise Xenogears without the need to put down another great PS1 jrpg that constantly finds itself added to every "best on the system" list
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Xenogears: A game I can’t shake
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I didn't mean it as an insult and it's certain one of the best JRPG on PS1, but I meant what I said about Xenogears being seminal. Both are great games, but one is much more timeless to me.
So no other game released on PS1 in EU because of PAL?
Because I'm pretty sure I played more than 100 games on my PS1 in 50Hz.
I'm pretty sure 50Hz wasn't the reason Square Enix gave either for why the game didn't come over. I'm pretty sure it was more about localisation.
If you hate 50Hz. Great. Good for you. But this is a weird tangential point that has little to do with the discussion I was having about Xenogears not coming over the the EU (and thus me not being able to buy it on PSN).
Look, I don't care how you justify your PAL PS1 collection. People said the game was better off for not getting a PAL release because PAL fucking sucks.
If you wanted to play the game there have been more than enough ways to play it for decades now, getting a modchipped PS1 is easier than getting an unchipped one, and the game has been pretty damn cheap. "Not coming to Europe" should never have been a reason to not play a game you're interested in. And I didn't respond to a "discussion" I responded to you being confused about why 50HZ would be bad for Xenogears (or any game, apparently), and that had everything to do with 50HZ, so spare me this weird tangent.
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Why are you being so freaking hostile?
I don't give a shit what people say about PAL. I never had an issue with it.
I had a modded PS1 but the CD Drive failed and that was the end of the console.
I don't want to start fucking around trying to get a modded PS1 or modded PS2 in 2020 to play one game. You're bullish suggestion is frankly quite ridiculous.
The game is up on PSN in NA and NA players can d/l and play it on their Vita. I'm merely lamenting that I can't do that because the game never released officially in EU.
Nothing you have said in response has been meaningful. Instead you just seem to want to go on a tangential tirade about PAL and 50Hz.
As I said before, good for you. But I couldn't give a shit about 50Hz. I'm in here trying to discuss Xenogears. Not trying to have a discussion with you about fucking Pal.
I'm being hostile and yet you have the nerve to tell me nothing I said was meaningful when I pretty much directly responded to what another user told you and why they told you that? You've been continuously dismissive, and only now add some semblance of context to what you were talking about, I wonder why someone wouldn't enjoy being taken down that route. You freaking *asked* why it's an issue, and now you've taken several damn posts to *complain* about getting an answer, going so far as to insult the person giving you the answer.
Don't blame me if you can't follow the conversation someone else has chimed into. Don't bother responding, I'm not going to continue derailing this thread because I felt like answering a question.
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Wait wait wait wait wait...Xenogears has NEVER gotten an official European release??
That is a crime against gaming humanity...my life would be a lot less rich for never having experienced this game at release...
That is a crime against gaming humanity...my life would be a lot less rich for never having experienced this game at release...
Europe only started getting bigger RPG releases during the PS2 era, that was also when most of the issues with the horrible PAL conversions were stamped out.
If you look at the PAL market up to the PS2, you'll notice that pretty much every single notable RPG with the exception of FF7-9 is missing. That's why pretty much everyone had modded consoles.
(by the way, someone should definitely teach others that you CAN use the US and Japanese PSN Stores without much of an issue if you actually wanted to. :P)
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Absolutely insane, I always assumed it got released as a PS1 classic during the PS3 era, the very least.
And yeah setting up a different region account on PSN isn't THAT hard but it's not something most people would do for an almost 22 year old game at this point.
Even though they should, cause Xenogears is forever.
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I liked Xenoblade 2, but mostly because of the back half, for obvious reasons that I won't spoil for those who haven't played it.
Haven't finished Xenoblade 1 yet.
Xenoblade X is just OK, I like what it was trying to do, but the Wii U and some of the execution left things to be desired.
As for Xenosaga, my main memory is being totally disappointed after waiting for a Xenogears followup. I need to replay them to see if that was a fair assessment, though. I was SO pumped. I remember watching the opening cinematic and seeing the Zohar get discovered at Lake Turkana. Then...the rest of the game happened...
I liked Xenoblade. The ending act was pretty great, but it definitely feels more anime cliche with writing and characters not being as mature and well-developed as Xenogears.
I also really liked the Xenosaga trilogy despite it's cliches as well, because the scope was very large - in some ways bigger than Xenogears, in others not as much but overall kind of a similar scope.
I just think it's silly to complain about anything not being on EU PSN when it takes less than ten minutes to set up the other regions for access to the rest.
And yeah, Europe was in the dark ages. Been importing my stuff since the late 80s because there was no other option to actually get to play RPGs, barely anything actually made it over, and when it did, you had those horribly slow running messes.
I like the blades, I dislike the Sagas.
Mostly because of the same reason: Saga tries so hard to retell what they set up in Perfect Works and fails spectacularly at it.Blade just does its own thing, only borrowing the "Xeno" part, giving me huge worlds to explore and a fun battle system. I've given up on more *Gears, because Saga showed me just how badly they botched that story after Gears.
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I think it's silly to expect the average consumer to set up a region account outside of their region to play a game that is available everywhere else. I think you're being a little glib about it. There's no reason it can't be digitally on EU PSN except Sony and Square being lazy AF, but either way this is a tangent.
We're not exactly talking about "average customers" though. Of course there's a reason for it to "not be there", because it simply didn't exist in Europe. There's a whole new can of worms for licensing, as well as age ratings for the European (two of them, PEGI and USK) market before that can happen. That would mean investing further money, spending months in the pipeline to be rated, and then having the game ultimately fail because only a very, very minor set of people would actually get it and play it.
Xenogears, Chrono Trigger, etc, they just don't have the nostalgia wave to ride on in Europe, they never will have that. So yeah, spending ten mins to make a US account to play it wouldn't be much to ask from someone who actually cares to play the game.
Xenosaga was too silly
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xenoblade 1 is better than 2.
Yeah I think the big shift in tone and themes is what drives ppl way, blades feels super anime in comparison.
What I like about saga is the scope, feels like a grand sci-fi adventure.
Xenogears is my favourite game of all time... maybe Xenosaga Episode III is a close 2nd or maybe they are the same level for me. I just love the suspense so much in Xenogears. The characters are all fantastic. Elly and Fei's love story is so real and I would love to see it come to life in PS5 graphics. I mean, relationships in games are often done very cringy but I just can imagine how well this one would be. You really get the feeling they love eachother so much. The story is fantastic but I dont think a remaster would do it justice. It needs a full on remake, imo so we can see Rico's story more with voice acting and more emphasis on Billy and Emeralda as well. Emeralda becoming a adult in the ending was pretty huge and i'm sad it wasn't explored more. I imagine a remake would do disc 2 so much more justice as well. Things happen so fast in it and you dont really know why and a modern console remake would make it much better and this is coming from someone that didn't mind the disc 2 issues. A remake of FFVII remake's scale even in parts would be fantastic for me.
But yeah... I love Xeno in general so much. Xenoblade 3 is probably going to be where we officially get the Gears and Saga suspense back. I can say so many things about Xenogears and how much I appreciate it but I would be writing a essay :p
But yeah... I love Xeno in general so much. Xenoblade 3 is probably going to be where we officially get the Gears and Saga suspense back. I can say so many things about Xenogears and how much I appreciate it but I would be writing a essay :p
That's... actually why I hate Saga. It TRIED to be that grand sci-fi adventure, but then entirely dropped the ball after the first. You see, in the Xenogears Perfect Works artbook, there's actually history of about 50k years for the other Episodes. Gears itself was V, and there was this entire mythology mapped out for the first four. Saga started off following the first Episode pretty closely and then... Just forgot, and drove off into Albedo drama.
That really, really annoyed me. It ended up being nothing like the actual first few episodes should have been.
What do you mean? There's an entire sidequest about turning her adult. I felt that was pretty fleshed out for a character that got introduced so late in the game.
it's true the sidequest gives her more growth but all i'm saying is I would like more about the character. It should be put into the main story in a remake if it ever happens.
I like Xenoblade quite a bit, although my opinion of it slightly lowered after playing the remaster. I just think Gears packs way more of a punch
True, Emeralda needed more in general, she's my favourite character in the game. But I felt she got more development than some other characters, Rico for example.
I just wish we'd get a Xenogears that actually had time and budget to do what it set out to do instead of having to go Visual Novel to cover that ground.
Not true at all. I love Xenoblade but just not as much as Saga and Gears. If you are talking about BK, he's been hating on Xenoblade ever since it started.
No other games have stuck with me as much as Xenogears and Final Fantasy VII. They, alongside Star Trek: Deep Space Nine and the various literary works of Asimov and Heinlein, influenced my childhood like nothing else around.
I don't know if its that or that most just want another game like Xenogears. I would give anything to have a continuation of the story even if we didn't get a definite I-IV parts of the whole story.
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I sure hope so. My jaw dropped when you reach *that* point in the game...I was so happy
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That's only part of the Deus Core, and in any case it's been rotting on the ocean floor for 10,000 years. After you defeat it, the body is. presumably transferred to the Merkava, where it can be repaired and improved by nanomachines. Deus' parts were all over the Eldridge as well, not just that core.
Deus begins to merge with/terraform the planet into an interplanetary space ship in order to carry out its original intentions, which is when Fei & co stop it for good.
jealous played this game for the first time when I was too young to really appreciate it. enjoy!
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I should look at replaying this once I clear my backlog (hahahahaha...).
I've always really loved this game, though Saga hit me harder (I was a liiiiiittle young for Gears, Saga hit me in my angsty teens years for maximum existentialism), and I find the Blade games to be more complete in the ideas and themes Takahashi wants to present (which he obviously does, since he keeps telling a story over and over with very similar themes and ideas).
It's hard for me to rank, because I don't want to say Gears is my "least favourite", because it's an amazing game, but the other two series have meant more to me haha.
But yes, I would like to replay Gears someday. Someday...
I've always really loved this game, though Saga hit me harder (I was a liiiiiittle young for Gears, Saga hit me in my angsty teens years for maximum existentialism), and I find the Blade games to be more complete in the ideas and themes Takahashi wants to present (which he obviously does, since he keeps telling a story over and over with very similar themes and ideas).
It's hard for me to rank, because I don't want to say Gears is my "least favourite", because it's an amazing game, but the other two series have meant more to me haha.
But yes, I would like to replay Gears someday. Someday...
I asked a question another poster who never responded. You continued to respond with continued tirades about a subject that was tangential to my original discussion. I asked why because I was genuinely curious as whether the other poster seemed to think Xenogears not coming to EU was because of PAL or not. You responded with a meaningless tirade about your distaste for 50Hz. It was an unwelcome attempt to drive the discussion down a tangential path that really hasn't nothing to do with the thread topic.
If you're offended by the fact that I couldn't give a toss about how you feel about PAL, then there's not really much I can do about that. That seems like more of a you problem.
Perhaps next time someone is having a discussion with a poster about something, consider not chiming in with a tangential tirade that offers no opportunity for meaningful, topical discourse.
Cheers.
I'm gave my best to not read this thread but too late, now i'll have to replay it yet again :p
Favorite story in fiction. Chuchu rocks. And died for your sins while being in that dangerous age.
Both are top 5 fav games of mine.
Favorite story in fiction. Chuchu rocks. And died for your sins while being in that dangerous age.
Both are top 5 fav games of mine.
I made a habit of playing Xenogears once a year up until Xenosaga 3 released. Playing the games back to back was an awesome experience but I think I hit a tipping point.
I can no longer stand playing through the beginning of the game up to the tournament in Aveh, but I stand by it being a great game to this day.
I can no longer stand playing through the beginning of the game up to the tournament in Aveh, but I stand by it being a great game to this day.
I feel ridiculous for having this game in my top three favorites of all time and not even having beaten it. I got to the final dungeon and for some reason never got to play it to completion. The rest of it resonated with me that much though and I've been needing to revisit it for years.
Xenoblade 1's fine but it's largely very vanilla and the majority of its interesting concepts are at the very tail end of the game and then it's over. 2 is a much better game overall and there's way more to think about even early on. But there's also no denying that the blade games were never originally meant to connect or be like the other Xeno games and that's why the game was introduced as Monado in the first place. I love both gears and the saga games though.
But just generally speaking I vastly prefer the tone and gameplay and worlds (or in the case of Saga, the universe) in Gears and Saga than anything in the Blade games.
Why should it only come to Switch? Every ps1 jrpg seemingly must come to Switch and nothing else lol. Most of these games people want rereleasing weren't even on Nintendo Platforms originally. Why not just release it on as many platforms as possible. That would be the best way.
In like 2009 I was in the prison sewer part and grinded skills while trying to navigate the sewer and find a save point, after 2 hours my game froze in a battle one screen away from the save point and i haven't been back. I plan to replay it on my Vita and I think enough years have passed for me to start over from scratch
Just started Xenoblade on the Switch and 25hrs in I have to say that it feels quite inferior indeed.
The cut-scenes are enjoyable but the gameplay now mostly relies on slow exploration mixed an utter load of side quests. It is just too far away from the dense and literary adventures feeling that Xenogears carries on.
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Xenogears and Xenosaga Trilogy is my all time favourite story and cast of characters alongside FFVII.
Xenogears would looks great if it get the same HD treatment as the PS1 FF games but even much better since it's fully 3D environment.
But it feels like SE don't want to do anything with the IP anymore.. which is a huge shame.
The same goes for Namco and Xenosaga Trilogy, an HD Remastered even a PS2 classics on PS4 would be good enough but yeah... even them don't want to touch the IP again in any way.
Xenosaga III came out 14 years ago and yet to be topped with it's epic story and boss fights and OST.
Xenogears would looks great if it get the same HD treatment as the PS1 FF games but even much better since it's fully 3D environment.
But it feels like SE don't want to do anything with the IP anymore.. which is a huge shame.
The same goes for Namco and Xenosaga Trilogy, an HD Remastered even a PS2 classics on PS4 would be good enough but yeah... even them don't want to touch the IP again in any way.
Xenosaga III came out 14 years ago and yet to be topped with it's epic story and boss fights and OST.
