In COD you can watch them hacking via spectate mode. The last PC player I encountered on Warzone was shot gunning people through walls and sniping people from across the map he couldn't actually see on screen.
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Xbox players are fed up with forced crossplay against PC gamers.
- Thread starter St. Elmo's Fire
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In COD you can watch them hacking via spectate mode. The last PC player I encountered on Warzone was shot gunning people through walls and sniping people from across the map he couldn't actually see on screen.
Input based match making please. And if a person simply wants to play with his friends on Pc then cool. That's fine. It's simple. You get put into the mixed input lobbies on pc. This isn't very hard. The smarter games make the correct choice here for competitive games. For cooperative games I don't care about mixed inputs. You aren't being forced to compete against a different input in that situation.
I haven't run into many cheaters at all, but there were enough I could confirm in theater mode that I'd rather have the option to match with only Xbox players. Honestly, having the option directly in the menu but having it forced to Cross-Play feels sloppy in its own way. Only have that there if it's an option.
In my experience (well over a hundred hours of MP), they're not common, but they can be easily confirmed by viewing the theater recording of the match. For both wall-hacks and aim-hacks, you can see them tracking unseen players through walls, and basically "toggling" between distant targets, in a way that doesn't make sense for a human player. They'll generally open fire before a player could be seen or heard around a corner. It's a specific camera motion that you can recognize, so I'm sure some people just get miffed and assume the worst if they get stomped out, but the cheating is recognizable on its own.
For context, I've confirmed two cheaters (total) in my playtime.
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I like how Destiny 2 handles cross-play in PvP.
All console teams go against all console teams.
If you play with someone on PC on your team then you go again potentially PC and console players.
This should be standard unless user opts-in for full cross play all the time.
All console teams go against all console teams.
If you play with someone on PC on your team then you go again potentially PC and console players.
This should be standard unless user opts-in for full cross play all the time.
Yeah I have no idea what he is going on about. The purpose of crossplay is to allow friends to play with each other across platforms. As long as you give that option you are giving people accessibility.
Yep. There are some and it can't be avoided, but this is never a concern when I'm playing.
It's super hard to say one way or the other because all of the evidence we have is almost entirely anecdotal, particularly in the case of Halo.
There was someone earlier in this thread (who I'm not going to quote because I'm not trying to put him on blast or anything) who said cheaters ruined Infinite for him because he ran into one in almost every single game he played. Now, I haven't played much Infinite MP in the grand scheme of things, but in the 20+ hours I've played I genuinely can't think of an instance where I saw any blatant cheaters. But also maybe that's because I don't play Ranked, idk. I'm not saying he's wrong, but his experience certainly hasn't been mine.
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Yeah this is pretty neat solution. What grates for me with Halo Infinite and Battlefield is it feels like 343i and DICE have bought into crossplay as an ideological notion but they've done none of the work to mitigate its downsides. The simple reality is that for me I am getting a worse experience than I'd have if crossplay did not exist. It doesn't have to be that way.
I'm sure cheating is much more common in high level ranked than anywhere else. I'm Diamond 4 and there have only been two cases where I was suspicious enough to check and found that they were cheating in Theatre.
I play forza horizon 5 daily online in open racing and there are cheaters constantly. Its SUPER easy to spot the guy driving a garbage truck at 250 mph without even tuning the truck itself. Not to mention the leaderboards. I've reported tens of people already and each one is playing on PC.
My theory is the latter.
I've played over 600 matches so far and as far as I'm aware I've not come across a cheater and if I have, their performance hasn't been outrageous enough that I've even gone and looked at them in the theatre.
In no circumstances should console people ever be forced into playing with PC people by default and forcing it is a good way to never get me to play your games online ever.
I get that consoles make up a huge % of online lobbies but that's not my fucking problem. This isn't just about cheating it's about a clear unfair advantage. In warzone for instance the FOV is kneecapped on consoles which make a huge difference not to talk about KB/M which some games that do force PC vs Consoles will force console users who use keyboard into a keyboard only lobby but not PC users. No fucking thanks.
I get that consoles make up a huge % of online lobbies but that's not my fucking problem. This isn't just about cheating it's about a clear unfair advantage. In warzone for instance the FOV is kneecapped on consoles which make a huge difference not to talk about KB/M which some games that do force PC vs Consoles will force console users who use keyboard into a keyboard only lobby but not PC users. No fucking thanks.
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But if you like to play multiplayer FPS, you shouldn't be on consoles period. Playing an FPS on a console is like driving a car with your feet.
Console gaming gimped the FPS genre for PC gamers as a whole and made the genre worse off. I have zero sympathy for any FPS player that chooses to play on a console.
But if you like to play multiplayer FPS, you shouldn't be on consoles period. Playing an FPS on a console is like driving a car with your feet.
Console gaming gimped the FPS genre for PC gamers as a whole and made the genre worse off. I have zero sympathy for any FPS player that chooses to play on a console.
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What a completely ignorant post. Go crawl in a hole jackass.
Here's my long-form, detailed response to match the tone of this post: lol
Ah cool so you're saying anyone who wants to play a shooter needs to buy a gaming PC
I wonder how easy and cheap that is to do right now
I think forced cross-play is good in most cases on Xbox. I think outside of NA, Xbox has really suffered the last 10 years when it comes to their playerbase and no matter how much I love the platform cross-play is a good way to keep the queue times low in games that are not CoD/Halo/Forza and regions that are not NA. I have had to buy games on Steam that did not have cross-play because they did not have a playerbase on Xbox (and sometimes Windows Store too) while not being dead on Steam.
In pay to play games like COD they're extremely rare in my experience. In that game I'll get called a cheater every other game just for being better than *someone* on the opposing team (I play on XBOX). So a lot of false positives there for sure.
But in free to play games like Halo Infinite or Warzone... Yeah, it's a problem. But definitely not as much as people make it out to be, some people just don't realize the potentially huge skill gap that's possible between them and somebody really good.
I only play FPS on PC but this a terrible, laughable, ignorant take.
What do you do with your feet while driving a car? I usually use them to work the pedals, but curious about your strategy.
In Halo it all depends on which playlist you are in or what level of ranked play you are at. In playlists like SWAT and FFA cheating is fairly common and laughably noticeable. In higher end ranked play it's becoming a plague. Seems like every day there's a new no-name player at the top of the CSR boards with ~90% HS accuracy. Thankfully it will be addressed soon.
A lot of people in this thread dismissing the prevalence of cheaters meanwhile Activision who runs one of the biggest multiplayer games in the world has spent the past couple of years developing a bespoke anticheat solution and are also suing cheat developers for billions.
Haha I don't ever think I've seen a car analogy used correctly! Well played!
I will always take someone beating my ass in crossplay over No crossplay. I understand the struggle tho.
Especially with Halo lacking in-game reporting.
Especially with Halo lacking in-game reporting.
It was partly due to the advent of F2P games and partly due to console war talking points.
Crossplay between console and PC players should always be opt-in rather than opt-out in competitive games. You could sort players by input method but that won't curtail the cheating that's prevalent on PC. Can't really escape scumbags in competitive games these days though, unfortunately. No crossplay in Siege on PS4 but ranked matches are completely pointless if you're playing on controller since a majority of players in the higher ranks are using M&KB adapters. I've pretty much lost any drive that I used to have for competitive games these days, and this shit is definitely a big reason for it.
My take would be that forced crossplay is a way to overcome low playercount on Xbox platform (console + PC)
This is an aspect of this situation I wish got more attention: In-game reporting could simplify a lot of this.
I understand it wouldn't be helpful for voice-chat infractions, but for example: A system where you can link a theater replay to a cheating report should make everyone's life easier. Even just its existence would reassure players taking the time to put in reports. I haven't had real trouble with cheaters (I've reported the couple I've encountered) but as it stands, I have zero confidence the Xbox-level reporting even matters.
Wish they would. Between the general game changes and crossplay especially, I've not played these nearly as much as I thought I would. Should have always been opt-in. I was for console to console, but console to PC just isn't for me.
Nah, BF2042 is surprisingly well balanced IMO. I've won plenty of gungame rounds against PC players and I'm usually top 4/5 if I don't win.
Ranked is always crossplay. You can use mouse on Xbox or controller on pc you know.
And I'm encountering cheaters pretty often. Let me choose to not play against pc players.
It's the principle of the matter lol
That said there are cheaters everywhere. Even in fiesta
Doesn't really matter what they get... they'll cheat with it
More like wallhacking and insta shock rifling around corners.
If it's not your skill doing the job, what's the point? It's an official & authorised cheat for controllers with an extra aim assist when using a controller :-D
I say this as someone playing Warzone on PS5 and R6S on PC.
I don't see why I should get an advantage on 1 platform and a disadvantage on the other.
I don't expect to finish top 3 against PC users on Warzone PS5. I wouldn't expect getting exterminated by console players on R6S.
As a PC player Im also annoyed with forced crossplay with consoles, as least for FPSes. Yes I get why aim assist exists and Im glad it does when I play controller, but I'd like to not play them against each other, it's not an even playing field and leads to lots of very bad feeling interactions on btoh sides.
Its whatever for casual qs but should absolutely not be implemented for ranked stuff.
Its whatever for casual qs but should absolutely not be implemented for ranked stuff.
Any console Chivalry 2 players reading should know the pain of crossplay. The game doesn't even offer rebinding, so to kick an enemy who is blocking, we have to take our thumb off the right stick and hit circle button. Good luck aiming a kick while a PC player is strafing around you with an easy keyboard press.
I'm fine with getting rid of Crossplay altogether, but at least the input-based MM from Halo is somewhat adequate, except it's just available in ranked. While you're at it, get rid of aim assist. It's laughable that instead of creating superior control schemes for controller players, developers have resorted to implementing a soft aimbot so that controller players can feel better about themselves. Talk about lazy. The steam controller looked like a step in the right direction. WTF happened to that? If someone can solve the hacking problem on PC, that would be great, as well, but I'm not holding my breath.
I don't mind it in halo but I like the option.
If I'm annoyed by anything it's when games don't have crossplay at all.
If I'm annoyed by anything it's when games don't have crossplay at all.
Of course.
Problem is that PC players fight for it because it adds greatly to their player pool improving their experience, and on the dev/publisher side obviously the synergy of sales works to push out more copies. Console players get -nothing- out of the deal, and sadly if we gotta play capitalistic hellscape with everything else in our lives there's an argument that their money should talk louder since that's where the sales are.
My fav is when Warzone whines when you turn it off on the Xbox side, pleading like an SO you broke up with to turn it on during matchmaking, lol.
Problem is that PC players fight for it because it adds greatly to their player pool improving their experience, and on the dev/publisher side obviously the synergy of sales works to push out more copies. Console players get -nothing- out of the deal, and sadly if we gotta play capitalistic hellscape with everything else in our lives there's an argument that their money should talk louder since that's where the sales are.
My fav is when Warzone whines when you turn it off on the Xbox side, pleading like an SO you broke up with to turn it on during matchmaking, lol.
