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With less than a month left, let's place our bets: will Stadia be a success, or will it fail?
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Yea because onlive is just as good as stadia.
this is like saying switch will fail because remember the vita
They all do it.
Like you are forbidden to use your ps4 or xbox in a public context, or in a internet cafe. Rights holders do not want that and your licence forbids you to do it.
The Licence terms for every game you own contain such a clause, every game on Stadia will contain the same.
It's even worse for a subscription based service, they do not want you to resell the subscription in any way.
I guess if every customer come in with his own login and google account, and his own games, that would be ok, but if the account is linked to the cafe, no way.
No, we are talking about an Alphabet company here. If it does not win enough money, they will cut the cord and call it a day.
This. It's not even a Glass like scenario where people were excited about the project. From what I've seen, there's been overwhelming negativity around Stadia. I don't see them overcoming that.
I'm not really sure. If it was more netflix or gamepass like with instant play of a big catalogue, yes. Right now it's just straight up purchases right? Most gamers already have a console or PC so why spend the money on something with potentially less fidelity. I can see myself trying a demo for a game or something but I would never ever purchase a game on it myself. Especially with Google's track record. Not to mention all the technical limitations for most of the country.
I think MS would be much more successful with something like this if they're like hey all the Game Pass games can be streamed too.
I think MS would be much more successful with something like this if they're like hey all the Game Pass games can be streamed too.
I mean until it's actually up and running it's hard to say.
Most people on here seem to want it to fail for some reason.
Most people on here seem to want it to fail for some reason.
85% of the people in this poll say it's going to fail how is it being hyped? Because I don't see hype here
Slow-burn success.
The ability to play a game straight away in just a Chrome browser tab, using whatever device you already have, means the service could become extremely pervasive in a year or so once all the hardware restrictions are gone.
Like, it'll just be everywhere. "Click here to try the game out now", and you are playing it straight away. No downloads, no hardware investment.
Why would you go back to turning on a separate games-specific piece of tech when you could just play using whatever you had to hand?
Like I said though, the hardware restrictions need to go first. Which they will. Its all a bit 'minimal viable product' right now, which is typical Google.
The ability to play a game straight away in just a Chrome browser tab, using whatever device you already have, means the service could become extremely pervasive in a year or so once all the hardware restrictions are gone.
Like, it'll just be everywhere. "Click here to try the game out now", and you are playing it straight away. No downloads, no hardware investment.
Why would you go back to turning on a separate games-specific piece of tech when you could just play using whatever you had to hand?
Like I said though, the hardware restrictions need to go first. Which they will. Its all a bit 'minimal viable product' right now, which is typical Google.
In my opinion, you just need to look at Google endeavors in the past, to get a reasonable expectation of Stadia. People could genuinely flock to it and enjoy it, but still have the plug pulled. Google is notorious for reorganization that deprecates services and paid hardware.
2 things are going to happen before google even thinks about quitting
1. they are going to want a few exclusives to show that are only possible on stadia, some of these will take years to develop
2. they will want stadia to be on almost every device, smart TVs, all iOS devices, android devices, roku stick, fire tv, macs, PCs etc
once they get these 2 things and people still aren't using it (unlikely people won't using it imo) then they will decide to keep going or not
1. they are going to want a few exclusives to show that are only possible on stadia, some of these will take years to develop
2. they will want stadia to be on almost every device, smart TVs, all iOS devices, android devices, roku stick, fire tv, macs, PCs etc
once they get these 2 things and people still aren't using it (unlikely people won't using it imo) then they will decide to keep going or not
i don't know if it's going to succeed or fail but i do know that we shouldn't judge it based on what happens in the next couple of months
I really want it to fail, hard.
Input latency is my worst nemesis. As if it wasn't bad enough that many games running on local hardware exhibit significant input latency, you mean you're going to add another huge layer on top? Just burn.
I don't want this to become the future of gaming. At least not until the technology allows for sub-10ms roundtrip.
Input latency is my worst nemesis. As if it wasn't bad enough that many games running on local hardware exhibit significant input latency, you mean you're going to add another huge layer on top? Just burn.
I don't want this to become the future of gaming. At least not until the technology allows for sub-10ms roundtrip.
I can see it fizzle out in the next couple of years or something. It won't be immediate but it won't be a full console generation either
There are always posts hyping Stadia up, there have been tons of threads about it to.
Let's wait for latency tests comparisons before we decide if there's a difference or enough difference to even matter
because I can play games fine on GeForce now and stadia is supposed to even better than that in latency
Google Stadia won't survive to the end of the next generation, threadmark me ;d
It'll make a splash with some crowds probably, but it'll be largely forgotten or ignored long term.
That's a terrible analogy. Gaming consoles are not tapes, cds or dvds.
Games are not movies.
Someone says, look at what happened to music with digital distribution and streaming, the same will happen to movies. You answer with "music is not the same as movies", as proof that it wont happen. I think that the important point here is that if streaming services like Stadia and others, manage to lower the input lag enough to make a sustentable amount of people enjoy the service, it will be a success. It will only get better after that. They only need to receive enough reviews like the one below.
"playing though Xcloud on a good Internet connection feels practically indistinguishable from local play. Diving in to Halo 5: Guardians on my phone (with a cloud save automatically downloaded from Xbox Live) felt like slipping into a familiar coat, with the same smooth frame rate and snappy controls you'd expect on an HDTV. While there may have been a frame or two of added delay between my inputs and the on-screen action compared to the local version, I'd be hard pressed to tell the difference in a blind test."
Project Xcloud preview serves as a passable, portable Xbox One
Small headaches are worth it to get a tiny Xbox on your phone.
arstechnica.com
Google isn't stuppid, they have researched it first before doing this, they have data and knowledgefor it.
Watch this very closely:
Games has physical (Stadia and others are or will follow...)
Music has physical (spotify and many others....)
Movies has physical.(netflix and many others....)
Well the major problem is that Google doesn't have a library of first party titles they could start a subscription service with so they'd have to try to pay 3rd party publishers to offer their titles on their subscription service. That is very difficult to do financially. GamePass works because Microsoft has a pretty sizeable catalog of first party studios that have/will be putting their titles on the service. What games can Google put on their's? It will take them years to have even a hundred or two hundred titles even playable on Stadia.
Does Google have the patience to play in the gaming market 5+ years to build up their own gaming studios, etc.? I am not optimistic that they are patient enough for that, given all the prior projects they have killed off in a very quick fashion.
I see the appeal on paper, but in practice I think it's gonna struggle to gain serious traction.
Google does have deep pockets though, and I'm not ruling out the possibility that there will at least be a moderately sized audience for the service... so it might not be a total failure in the sense of Google shutting the service down, but considering Google's ambitions for the service, I think anything short of it being hugely successful would be considered a failure in their eyes.
Google does have deep pockets though, and I'm not ruling out the possibility that there will at least be a moderately sized audience for the service... so it might not be a total failure in the sense of Google shutting the service down, but considering Google's ambitions for the service, I think anything short of it being hugely successful would be considered a failure in their eyes.
Keep your straw man, I never said that.
Games are interactive and affected by latency.
Movies and music are not.
Never said you said it. It was supposed to be an analogy that shows how simply saying they are not the same doesn't address anything. What you said right now is a real argument that can be refuted with factual information and that is exactly what I will share with you. See the image below so you can compare the input latency for God of War running at 30fps vs unlocked framerate.
138ms on PS4 vanilla vs 59.5ms on PS4 Pro. Do we agree so far? OK, so now let's imagine this scenario. If you had the PS4 Pro version of God of War running on a PS Now server with a ping of 30ms to 35ms of network latency, and you add 10ms to capture and encode each frame, you would be getting 99.5ms to 104.5 of input lag. Compare that to the 138.7ms of input lag that someone playing the game locally on a PS4 vanilla would get, while still enjoying the game. Do you understand how simply saying a black and white statement like "Games are interactive and affected by latency." is not really accurate and will not represent the experience that everyone will have with cloud gaming services? Because as you just saw, game running in the cloud does not always equate to higher input lag. I already have an idea of what you will answer to this, so make your case so we can continue from there.
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I'm pretty sure google isn't expecting a large amount of users right out the gate, I'm sure they have looked at PSnow subscribers to get an idea for their own goal
Yeah it will be as it continues to flounder and the people defending it will continue to come up with excuses
I'd like to see Stadia make some inroads, as many of their technology ideas are good. However, the business side of the operation is making some spectacular blunders, and that's ultimately what will sink this ship unless they make some drastic changes.
For those who say "Google won't abandon Stadia because people are purchasing content", I'm sure they've already got an exit plan to transition those "purchases" to another online store (such as Steam, GOG, etc.) in case Stadia fails to meet expectations.
For those who say "Google won't abandon Stadia because people are purchasing content", I'm sure they've already got an exit plan to transition those "purchases" to another online store (such as Steam, GOG, etc.) in case Stadia fails to meet expectations.
I expect Stadia to grow a lot faster than 700,000 subscribers in 5 years. It cannot be understated how that Play Now button on YouTube will help the service grow.
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One way I could see stadia surviving if it's a failure, is if the project is just Google trying to get ahead of the curve so that when Streaming blows up they already have a competent service.
Yea like if I were them, 700,000 in less than 5 years would be my first goal