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Why women criticise sexualised character designs | OT3 | "make her look more...corpulent, more stuffed where the eyes can't escape."
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That joke update list is full of a lot of real gross stuff beyond what you highlighted too. It is a bad read.
This is specially irksome for me in Super Smash Bros. Right now Fire Emblem only has 1 female representative, and that is Lucina, who is a clone of Marth. Neither Robin, Corrin or Byleth are female by default, despite female Corrin being the default option in Warriors, and also appearing in the story and box art of said game. This was made even worse when Sakurai announced this past weekend that they would make a male Byleth Amiibo, but not a female Byleth... If it wasn't because female Corrin was so popular, she wouldn't get an Amiibo either.
Another game series that really piss me off are the Persona games. Persona's 'canon' treats P3MC as the real protagonist while FeMC was completely forgotten. It was a miracle they decided to add her in PQ2, and despite that, she didn't appear in the Q2 DLC of Royal or got the same treatment as the three male protagonists in the boxart. That said, Atlus must really hate female main characters, because their most recent games don't have one, unless I am mistaken.
I think it came out during a lot of that ubisoft terrible shit recently, that the development team wanted the game to have only Kassandra as the protagonist and they were forced to add in a male choice rather than have a woman be the protagonist.
Edit: Odyssey though, is also the game that lets you play Kassandra as whatever sexuality you want in the main game, and then came out with DLC that forced her canonically into a straight relationship.
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Really? Damn, that sucks. At least for Fenyx Rising they're focusing on the female protagonist I guess.
Oh hey, I'd managed to not hear about this game before I think. I like the look of the protagonist in that, she's neat.
I think it was for the main game, but then there was DLC pack with loved one and a kid, and it was very Alexios-focused... I think they fixed it later on, but initially it looked extremely weird for Kassandra players.
I got the feeling through that DLC that it was developed by an entirely different team alongside the main game - none of it takes place in new areas and it feels more like old, non-RPG AC compared to Odyssey. The Kassandra stuff in particular is very forced - you have a baby no matter what I'm pretty sure, erasing the queer relationships that can seem pretty permanent up until that point (some of them onto move to your ship). Kassandra doesn't even get to be a cool mom or anything either because the status quo is brought back at the end.
Really it's the biggest blight on that game narratively and something I'd probably suggest folks skip because it doesn't add anything to the lore besides a genetic connection.
I believe that's what happened if I understood correctly.
The people that were interviewed when the dlc footage came were the very same people doing Far Cry 5 dlc and creator mode. I believe they are a support studio that works on all the games when it comes to dlc and support.
It is fine on paper but for AC it should have been done by the same people who did the main game.
Ono was apparently responsible for some of the cheesecake-eyness maybe with him gone. Sonethings will be toned down a tad
Hopefully what NetherRealm did after Mortal Kombat 9 giving characters practical costumes.
Don't understand why they didn't at least made one of the avatars female by default, like it would at least help make the FE roster look a little more diverse than 7/8 of it being "Male Anime Swordsman"
F!Corrin and F!Byleth are more popular of their male versions unlike Robin
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That's seemed more like idle speculation than anything solid pointing to it, and I only recall people claiming that on Era.
I recall something about male Robin being more popular among FE fans with female Robin being more popular among Smash fans, so more of a zigzag compared to Corrin and Byleth.
While I'm not gonna pretend it was only ono " The guy who created chun pervs on chun li and there is record of him harassing female employee's over it " it was noted multiple times that oni is a fan of like sexy ladies and super roided up dudes. Hence...abigail and a lot of the newer female designs. Do I think it will stop completely , no. R Mika existed long before ono was the head of the fighting game division at capcom. Could things steer in a better direction maybe being a bit more aware of the global presence street fighter has? Maybe. Or nothing happens at all
Next Smash Bros, I hope they at least make Corrin female by default (would love Byleth too) and add another female character, or two. Or more if possible. If Sakurai or Nintendo are looking for lords only, they can pick either Eirika, Celica, Lyn, Edelgard or even Micaiah.
Do you all feel like this generation has had been an improvement over sexualized character designs?
If no what are your worst examples
If no what are your worst examples
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I actually liked the "human" mouth for how creepy it was when she opened it wider. Very uncanny valley. But I think she just had the lips because NRS wanted to kill her by having D'Vorah kiss her. >_<
I liked the lips because it makes more sense with her talking normally and at times in the story, full-on impersonating Kitana. I'm still not sure how Baraka talks normally. lol
Yes, but I think next gen will still have them(over sexualized character designs), though for how many is yet to be determined.
I think for western games it has gotten better but eastern it hasn't lessened as much. Almost every anime game I see has some sus designs.
Western games have gotten better, but if anything I feel like Eastern games have gotten worse, or at least more brazen. Like Team Ninja's 1014 year old loli fighter. They are very well aware of what they're doing.
Dead or Alive Xtreme mobile game has a character that is stated as '1014'
Dead or Alive Xtreme: Venus Vacation Introduces The 1,014-Year-Old Oni Girl Kanna
Koei Tecmo revelaed a brand-new character for Dead or Alive Xtreme: Venus Vacation with an oni girl named Kanna, who is apparently 1,014-years-old, loves candy apples and cotton candy.
www.siliconera.com
... so yeah, that happened.
The only Q2 DLC in Royal was costumes for the main cast of that game. The DLC bonus fights that let you fight the P3 and P4 protagonists weren't tied to that game, although they definitely did the P3 female MC dirty by not giving her a similar battle.
Sorry, my bad; it was the Persona 3 and 5 Dancing games. The chibi characters on top of the head. No FeMC in there.
P3D/P5D: Chibi SEES Set
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Ha, yeah, I used her in MK9 a lot as well, I even won quite a bit of online matches with her in that game too.
Me too. This is the first time they've made her look like an actual clone of KItana, with tarkatan features. She had cooler outfits in MKX, but they made her look "prettier" than usual without her mask on. Even though she's meant to look absolutely hideous.
not weird and creepy at all. (Sarcasm obviously)Dead or Alive Xtreme: Venus Vacation Introduces The 1,014-Year-Old Oni Girl Kanna
Koei Tecmo revelaed a brand-new character for Dead or Alive Xtreme: Venus Vacation with an oni girl named Kanna, who is apparently 1,014-years-old, loves candy apples and cotton candy.
... so yeah, that happened.
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DoA's descent has been incredibly sad to watch.
It was never good with women, not by a long shot, but to watch it become so aggressively shitty, with younger and ever more fetishy characters. Just, truly fucking sad and distressing.
The west isn't great when it comes to fetishizing youth, but goddamn does Japan take it to a sickening extreme
It was never good with women, not by a long shot, but to watch it become so aggressively shitty, with younger and ever more fetishy characters. Just, truly fucking sad and distressing.
The west isn't great when it comes to fetishizing youth, but goddamn does Japan take it to a sickening extreme
I disagree.
In the previous generation, most Eastern games are console/handheld games from Japan and MMOs from Korea (and to a lesser extent Taiwan and mainland China). Japan was in the moe craze, where the female characters are infantilized but not overtly sexualized, while the Korean games and Taiwanese games are highly sexualized.
In the current generation, Japan, Korea, and Taiwan has started producing a lot of mobile games. Japanese games are more explicitly sexualized. But this is not so clear with Korean and Taiwanese games. This generation also saw a much higher percentage of Eastern games from mainland China. In the last 2-3 years, the Chinese government has started to push developers to dial down the sexualization, with the result that the embarrassing designs from about 5 years ago are less prevalent today.
Japan has gotten worse, but Japan is also becoming more irrelevant.
Wouldn't be surprised if some lead or creative on the DoA team was arrested for having CP on their computer.
Then they'd just get a slap on their wrist. Now if they were found doing drugs however...
Well Korea has Destiny Child which is imo the worst game when it comes to sexualization so... Hero Cantare, Lord of Dice, Exos Heroes also full of sexualization. E7 has a lot of variety I guess but still not without issues. Lord of Heroes happens to have an old lady character, so it's good for them. It's just my experience with Korean games, and I'd say they greatly contribute to the trend. Let's not forget gender-locked classes from their MMORPG as well.
With Chinese games we'll have to wait and see as the industry develops, Punishing is opening in Japan soon and it has decent designs from what I've seen.
After they introduced Marie Rose to the DOA roster, Koei Tecmo completely doubled down on this unsettling fanservice.
Yeah, I don't know what they were thinking with that, plus I'm not a fan of her either.
Marie Rose
"Even the smallest of roses have their thorns." —Marie Rose in Dead or Alive 6 Marie Rose is the servant of Helena Douglas, who debuted in the 2013 title, Dead or Alive 5 Ultimate Arcade. Details on her past are unknown, other than that she was hired as Helena's servant and that, according to...deadoralive.fandom.com
good ol' 10 thousand year old dragon trope... >_>
btw, Vigil comes out next week and the MC has dope costumes. Notice that even the one that looks like she just has a top on, its actually like a white classy shirt and corset, like a pirate or something, not skin showing. I guess the corset could be problematic but still, it fits the theme and it could be worse as we know.
btw, Vigil comes out next week and the MC has dope costumes. Notice that even the one that looks like she just has a top on, its actually like a white classy shirt and corset, like a pirate or something, not skin showing. I guess the corset could be problematic but still, it fits the theme and it could be worse as we know.
I got confused and thought the trailer for vigil had the 1000 year old dragon trope. I kept thinking she looks like a young adult, and her outfits were all pretty solid.
Had my eyes on Vigil for a while and will probably pick it up at some point (though I'll soon be busy with the Nioh 2 DLC, Ghost of Tsushima DLC, and the PS5 release... phew). The demo was pretty decent. There's a cross-over with Salt and Sanctuary (its main inspiration) as well.
Cool to see a Taiwanese dev too, I hope they are successful.
Cool to see a Taiwanese dev too, I hope they are successful.
The first paragraph is not connected to the second :D
The thread about mileena's redesign has gone surprisingly well relative to the thread about cammy's ass. Its probably because mileena's weird lip mouth thing is still off putting to a lot of people who want sexualized designs as well.
edit: To be clear, the thread isn't GREAT, but it is better than the last time there was a thread about the design of a fighting game woman. There are definitely still some posts that could have been thread title worthy.
Why Women Criticise sexualized Character designs ot4 All "SEXY BAD GRR" hoopla
edit: To be clear, the thread isn't GREAT, but it is better than the last time there was a thread about the design of a fighting game woman. There are definitely still some posts that could have been thread title worthy.
Why Women Criticise sexualized Character designs ot4 All "SEXY BAD GRR" hoopla
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Yeah that shocked me too! And she's one of my fave characters in the series as well.
