Then why isn't not going to war with Iran the right answer now?
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US forces in Iraq under attack from Iranian cruise missiles. [IMPORTANT STAFF POST]
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Then why isn't not going to war with Iran the right answer now?
Two hours ago he was saying Kurdistan and another base were also #confirmed to be struck with missles.
Hard to take him seriously.
The big problem in the crisis is the following. Trump pulled this due to exiting the Obama lead nuclear deal in 2018. Which lead to this:
Khamenei's website on Friday quoted him as saying the chant meant "death to US leaders, death to [US President Donald] Trump and John Bolton and [Mike] Pompeo". "It means death to America's rulers ... we have nothing against the American people," he said. Bolton is the United States' national security adviser, while Pompeo is the secretary of state.
I also saw this explanation on a recent Vice ep. Trump knows this too. The "supreme leader of Iran" literally said that he has no problems with US citizens, he just wants Trump and his staff dead. Them specifically. It´s personal for all involved and you know Trump. This has been going on for over a year too. And now you know why we are where we are.
Khamenei's website on Friday quoted him as saying the chant meant "death to US leaders, death to [US President Donald] Trump and John Bolton and [Mike] Pompeo". "It means death to America's rulers ... we have nothing against the American people," he said. Bolton is the United States' national security adviser, while Pompeo is the secretary of state.
I also saw this explanation on a recent Vice ep. Trump knows this too. The "supreme leader of Iran" literally said that he has no problems with US citizens, he just wants Trump and his staff dead. Them specifically. It´s personal for all involved and you know Trump. This has been going on for over a year too. And now you know why we are where we are.
CENTCOM said 10 missiles hit Al Asad, 1 hit Erbil and 4 failed. Nothing about missile defense nor Iraqi casualties.
(Probably posted as it's 45 minutes old but here's the source for that:)
You can and probably the U.S has been watching over the border at Iran arranging their missile units, and once they fired, sent off the notices for forces to take cover. Whether or not this is deliberate, a ploy or a actual revenge attempt depends. One, Iran issued that statement that unless the u.s responds, that's it from them. Two, is it not possible Iran could have tried harder to keep their missile units in cover and firing from unknown locations? Probably.
I am waging a deliberate attempt for a save face action.
Im talking about cowardice in the context of Trump as a person, which would clearly serve the world better in this case, as opposed to the other impulse i mentioned. I was clearly not talking about America and how they should act. Deescalation is obviously the best case here, and Trumps cowardice might be helpful here for a change.
I never said it was the right answer to go to war. I said Biden was being smart by not putting out a blanket statement before having all the facts.
Only a reckless fool of a politician would make a blanket statement like that before having all the facts. If it turns out US soldiers or personnel are dead then Biden would be buried for that kind of statement.
Of course. Politicians being disgustingly opportunistic during times of war. That's exactly what we need right now
Do you get mad at people who call for gun control during a mass shooting as well
?
What?
Shouldn't we know what people applying for the job think of this situation?
8 min ago
Iranian official tweets: "Get the hell out of our region!"
Iran's minister of telecommunications Mohammad Javad Azari Jahromi took to Twitter following the missile attack on US targets in Iraq.
"Get the hell out of our region!" he tweeted.
The tweet: Get the hell out of our region!#HardRevenge
Can someone shut down Twitter?
Iranian official tweets: "Get the hell out of our region!"
Iran's minister of telecommunications Mohammad Javad Azari Jahromi took to Twitter following the missile attack on US targets in Iraq.
"Get the hell out of our region!" he tweeted.
The tweet: Get the hell out of our region!#HardRevenge
Can someone shut down Twitter?
Tip to avoid further escalation: respect the sovereignty of Iraq and their expulsion of US forces and get the fuck out of the country.
I also have no time for lessons in Process Nuance from anyone. This was an extrajudicial killing of a foreign leader and no fucking handwringing over how to frame Sulemani's legacy would legitimize it, even if Trump had asked congress real nicely. This "US as the Eternal Protagonist of the World" horseshit is getting real old and is even now being trotted out by familiar faces on both sides of the aisle to obfuscate the circumstances surrounding this lunacy.
No war with Iran. The resistance to this must be clear-eyed and swift.
I also have no time for lessons in Process Nuance from anyone. This was an extrajudicial killing of a foreign leader and no fucking handwringing over how to frame Sulemani's legacy would legitimize it, even if Trump had asked congress real nicely. This "US as the Eternal Protagonist of the World" horseshit is getting real old and is even now being trotted out by familiar faces on both sides of the aisle to obfuscate the circumstances surrounding this lunacy.
No war with Iran. The resistance to this must be clear-eyed and swift.
Iran can say they saved face for now, but their Quds force operations are probably going to go into overdrive after all this.
Just to clear up some potential confusion, casualty does not automatically mean death. It's basically just another way to say injury (although that includes death). So there can be reports of casualties without anyone necessarily dying. We just don't have enough information yet to know one way or the other (or if there were any at all in the first place).
Im play with this.
Fuck America being in the Middle East. Cut the military budget by half, and start building shit in our country.
Imagine being such an ignorant fool. What the hell are you even saying?
I'm not defending Trump but I think he was manipulated and lied to provoke this.
Ah, so this is what Hannity wants, to take out Iran's oil fields. Bringing on Oliver North to push it. If there is anyone we should trust when it comes to Iran... its him. Always about oil posturing with these goons.
Also important to note the Republicans are rapidly pushing that Trump is forcing Iran to back down and framing this as a win, therefore it's not best to slam Trump as causing a war, then Iran backs down and you look like a fool for not backing Trump.
100% agreed, and I urge everyone to join a protest if they can and call their representative demeaning no war with Iran and the US out of Iraq.
Maybe they could just have an old fashioned #Twitter war instead?
Mine is resigning though (thank fuck given it's Duncan Hunter.)
Col. Lawrence Wilkerson: Qassem Soleimani Worked with U.S. in Fight Against Taliban & ISIS
I ain't defining Soleimani but again, look who your leader killed Americans. You´ll be shocked.
I ain't defining Soleimani but again, look who your leader killed Americans. You´ll be shocked.
This is giving me flashbacks of the India-Pakistan standoff a year ago.
I hope for de-escalation, but Trump is cut out of the same cloth as Modi.
I hope for de-escalation, but Trump is cut out of the same cloth as Modi.
Some of it might be OPSEC reasons. Its way too early for briefings like this, especially if the potential might exist for further action by either side.
Republican senator calls Iran's actions "an act of war"
From CNN's Jeremy Diamond
Sen. Lindsey Graham, a Republican from South Carolina, reacted to Iran's attack on two Iraqi bases housing American troops on Fox News this evening.
"Let me say tonight, if you are watching television in Iran, I just got off the phone to the President: your fate is in your own hands in terms of the regime's economic viability. You continue this crap you're going to wake up one day out of the oil business," Graham said.
Moments earlier, Graham noted that Trump could opt to respond by hitting either military or oil targets.
I don´t need to comment how this is a bad take, do i? Also Fox News. It continues being the "offical" state media in the US it seems.
From CNN's Jeremy Diamond
Sen. Lindsey Graham, a Republican from South Carolina, reacted to Iran's attack on two Iraqi bases housing American troops on Fox News this evening.
Graham ended by saying he had just gotten off the phone with President Trump.
"Let me say tonight, if you are watching television in Iran, I just got off the phone to the President: your fate is in your own hands in terms of the regime's economic viability. You continue this crap you're going to wake up one day out of the oil business," Graham said.
Moments earlier, Graham noted that Trump could opt to respond by hitting either military or oil targets.
I don´t need to comment how this is a bad take, do i? Also Fox News. It continues being the "offical" state media in the US it seems.
This is not a government agency, it's just some website, and I at least skimming it, they don't seem to be super reliable source.
This is America, you always have more than one.
Unless you're DC or Puerto Rico, than you have less.
Yeah true, but the way it's currently worded seems too cookie cutter it almost seems forced.