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Do you feel the PS5 could be Sony's best selling console ever?
- Thread starter vivftp
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Gaming has gotten more popular with more age groups I guess, which could sell more consoles logically if you cater to a wide market.
But the PS2 is hard to beat though. Singstar was super popular, at least in Europe. Even if you didn't play any games people owned one either for that or as a DVD player.
But the PS2 is hard to beat though. Singstar was super popular, at least in Europe. Even if you didn't play any games people owned one either for that or as a DVD player.
It wasn't the "lackluster launch" that was responsible for that, it's just the business model. The PS1 sold around 30 million units after the PS2 hit shelves, and that was not a lackluster launch AT ALL.
If the PS4 "only" sells as well as the PS1 did after the PS2 hit shelves (which would be ridiculous, for a lot of reasons) it breaks the PS2 record easily.
Already is, IMHO. Sold faster and against greater competition. It's also way, way, WAY more profitable, so Sony has no reason to stop selling it anytime soon.
I suspect it will be around PS4 level of sales which will be pretty damn impressive considering stronger competition. I still think both will be just shy of the PS2.
What's crazy is that the PS4 is still tracking above PS2 launched aligned, is it not? I wouldn't be surprised at another price drop this year. It's way overdue for one!
What's crazy is that the PS4 is still tracking above PS2 launched aligned, is it not? I wouldn't be surprised at another price drop this year. It's way overdue for one!
It is outselling the PS2 launch aligned, and is much more expensive than the PS2 was at this point in time. I'm pretty sure the PS2 was $129 at this point in it's lifespan. I can't find a PS4 online new for less than $279 right now and most places are $299.
Yup, it'll probably sell more than the PS4 but still under the PS2.
Oh, I forgot how big was piracy in the PS2 and DS days.
Yeah, you might be right.
If PS5 is the best seeling PlayStation console... so Sony is unstopable in Entertainement Video Game;
PS4 will be at 120 million by the end of the year. There's no way it doesn't pass the 155m total of the PS2.
The COVID bump ended for PS4 in May and was down YoY in June. PS4 isn't outselling PS2. Sony has already slowed down production of the console significantly.
PS4 has a better chance. MS (TV TV TV) and Nintendo (Wii U) were not a big competition.
Now, the Series X is more powerful and has good services, Nintendo has Switch and there are more other contenders (streaming, mobile is getting bigger).
Getting into China and India will stay a dream for next gen.
Now, the Series X is more powerful and has good services, Nintendo has Switch and there are more other contenders (streaming, mobile is getting bigger).
Getting into China and India will stay a dream for next gen.
COVID is still going on, my guy. Sony had huge releases for the PS4 on June 19 (TLOU2) and July (GOT) and there is another 1200 stimulus payment coming by next month.
The PS4 is also STILL retailing at $299. Sony can price drop it whenever they want to boost sales, but they have no reason to with it selling the way it is.
PS4 is way more succesful than PS2 though. In 2018 alone it made more money than the entire PS2 profits and PS3 losses combined.
Not beating PS2, but Im curious of these factors:
-Xbox crossover. How many Xbox fans are interested in the missed PS4 exclusives?
-No Xbox console exclusives. How many want to switch to PC + PS5 with games like Halo coming to PC?
-How competitive will Lockhart be?
-PS5 price
-Xbox crossover. How many Xbox fans are interested in the missed PS4 exclusives?
-No Xbox console exclusives. How many want to switch to PC + PS5 with games like Halo coming to PC?
-How competitive will Lockhart be?
-PS5 price
Yeah, Covid is still going on. And PS4 sold less in June than it did last year. PS4 will not surpass PS2. There's a good chance it will be down YoY for the remainder of 2020. The Covid bump for PS4 ended after April (in terms of hardware units, which is what is being discussed).
Also, there isn't a new stimulus check coming anytime soon. Negotiations have collapsed in Congress.
I just can't see it.
The competition from Microsoft and Nintendo is so much better this time around and its launching in an extremely uncertain period of time.
They hype for the PS4 was on another level when it launched well on the flipside WiiU was DOA and Xbox was in self destruct mode.
I think Sony has done a good job but so have the other guys and I just don't see the same level of excitement for these new consoles.
The competition from Microsoft and Nintendo is so much better this time around and its launching in an extremely uncertain period of time.
They hype for the PS4 was on another level when it launched well on the flipside WiiU was DOA and Xbox was in self destruct mode.
I think Sony has done a good job but so have the other guys and I just don't see the same level of excitement for these new consoles.
I don't see PS5 coming anywhere near PS2 numbers (155+ million sold). I think it could easily outside PS3 and do at least PS1 numbers (102 million).
Lets see out it does compared to PS4.
This time, Microsoft isn't going to have a disastrous start with weak hardware.
Lets see out it does compared to PS4.
This time, Microsoft isn't going to have a disastrous start with weak hardware.
Interesting to see how a botched launch from Sony's 2 primary competitors impacts the PS5 since there's so much inertia going from gen to gen.
Its going to be cheaper to buy an Xbox than the equivalent hardware for PC this november. You cant fiscount that some people will buy a console even if the PC is also a supported platform
I don't see them hitting or dwarfing PS2's sales.
PS2 was too much 'perfect storm', with Sega flailing out of market with Nintendo dropping the ball on the back-end of a major slump, Xbox being the freshfaced kid who still doesn't know how to reach all of it's audience and then them basically having free-reign with tons of exclusive 3rd party games and massive launch advantage over both Xbox and Gamecube at the time. I don't think that can be replicated again, they kinda had competition but they were a world away by the time their competition started the race.
I preferred Xbox and Gamecube at the time but that was basically a bloodbath.
PS2 was too much 'perfect storm', with Sega flailing out of market with Nintendo dropping the ball on the back-end of a major slump, Xbox being the freshfaced kid who still doesn't know how to reach all of it's audience and then them basically having free-reign with tons of exclusive 3rd party games and massive launch advantage over both Xbox and Gamecube at the time. I don't think that can be replicated again, they kinda had competition but they were a world away by the time their competition started the race.
I preferred Xbox and Gamecube at the time but that was basically a bloodbath.
Too early to tell.
Hard to say what effect Covid will have. Games have tended to survive well through recessions, but this is a much larger one than they've ever gone through.
Price will be a major factor, especially relative to the competition. PS2 was sold incredibly cheaply towards the end. But the PS4 has gotten ridiculously close considering it's price tag. So on the one hand it's pretty easy to dismiss the possibility that it can't happen because the PS2 was a special case. But the PS4 also managed to be a special case. How many other consoles have stayed $200 and above and still sold 100 million? Usually the system is closer to $300.
On the point of competition. It's hard to say how much it'll matter. It's been a consistent theme for a while that PC or mobile or streaming was eventually going to take out the consoles. And thus far, consoles haven't gone anywhere, and theyre largely doing better than ever.
So it's all hard to say.
But it seems Sony is pushing hard to make their follow-up bigger.
Hard to say what effect Covid will have. Games have tended to survive well through recessions, but this is a much larger one than they've ever gone through.
Price will be a major factor, especially relative to the competition. PS2 was sold incredibly cheaply towards the end. But the PS4 has gotten ridiculously close considering it's price tag. So on the one hand it's pretty easy to dismiss the possibility that it can't happen because the PS2 was a special case. But the PS4 also managed to be a special case. How many other consoles have stayed $200 and above and still sold 100 million? Usually the system is closer to $300.
On the point of competition. It's hard to say how much it'll matter. It's been a consistent theme for a while that PC or mobile or streaming was eventually going to take out the consoles. And thus far, consoles haven't gone anywhere, and theyre largely doing better than ever.
So it's all hard to say.
But it seems Sony is pushing hard to make their follow-up bigger.
COVID is still going on in that there is a very, very high chance of a bunch of the US going back into lockdown before the year is up. This isn't over by a long shot, even if vacationing americans pretend that it is. COVID and its effects on the economy have not ended. At all.
PS4's June sales don't fully reflect the releases of TLOU2 or Ghost of Tsushima.
PS4 will easily pass PS2. It's already tracking past it LTD at FAR higher price points, and Sony will keep it on the market longer than the PS2 as the PS4 is substantially more profitable for them than the PS2 was. Again, if the PS4 *only* sells as well as the PS1 did after the PS2 launch, it breaks the PS2's record easily.
And yes, there is a new stimulus package coming. The white house and congress both agreed on that portion of the bill. The only disagreement came from additional aid to state and local municipalities, and the exact amount of additional unemployment. Those get worked out and a new bill gets passed. This came from Treasury Secretary Mnuchin, this morning.
I doubt it. It's probably going to be expensive, There's diminishing returns on new generations in terms of graphical leaps, it's weaker than the competition (I think?) and Covid is leading to a recession. Also Xbox while they haven't impressed me with their games so far aren't going to fuck themselves before they're out the gate like they did last gen.
I think it''ll do great, "win" the generation in terms of console sales but I'd be flabbergasted if it sold more than PS2 or PS4.
I think it''ll do great, "win" the generation in terms of console sales but I'd be flabbergasted if it sold more than PS2 or PS4.
Under the right circumstances, anything is possible. However as things stand right now, I imagine it'll do incredibly great, definitely better than PS3 and PS1, but I'm not sure if it'll surpass the PS2, no.
Don't think so, no. PS2 won't be beat for a very long time by any home console. The tail end was just to ridiculous.
Happy to be proven wrong though.
Happy to be proven wrong though.
I wonder if it would be possible for them to bring the PS5's price down considerably in the next 5-7 years because there are now basically no moving/mechanical parts in the Digital Edition (unlike the PS4).
It's a complete solid state machine that I assume they'd be able to build rather cheaply once the tech inside isn't so cutting edge.
It's a complete solid state machine that I assume they'd be able to build rather cheaply once the tech inside isn't so cutting edge.
Nope. Streaming is going to destroy home consoles, much like mobile gaming killed the sales of the PS4. It's likely that when this console fails, Sony will go to a handheld only streaming device, and that's when they'll take the market back.
I'd put a cheeky £10 bet it would be one of the lowest by a small amount, at least over 5-6 years.
Expensive system price, MS offering more value for people and taking some market share back and economic uncertainty might mean it's like the PS3.
Perhaps what could make it sell and also the Xbox is how fast loading games will be. Once people get wind and see it they will be amazed and feel they have to upgrade soon. The old systems are very cumbersome and we could see some good price drops 2-3 years in.
Expensive system price, MS offering more value for people and taking some market share back and economic uncertainty might mean it's like the PS3.
Perhaps what could make it sell and also the Xbox is how fast loading games will be. Once people get wind and see it they will be amazed and feel they have to upgrade soon. The old systems are very cumbersome and we could see some good price drops 2-3 years in.
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No. Because between Switch and Switch's successor, Nintendo will be taking a big chunk of the younger/family audience that would otherwise have had a PlayStation by default. Although we won't see the effects of that until a couple of years in to the lifecycle as they aren't early adopters. And because cloud gaming will indeed become a thing in the next couple of years. And Xbox will certainly be stronger than it was this gen, especially with the value of Game Pass.
I was certain PS5 would be the fastest to 10m though, albeit covid has put a dampener on that prediction. Depends on the price.
I was certain PS5 would be the fastest to 10m though, albeit covid has put a dampener on that prediction. Depends on the price.
Guess I was referring to market share.
I had a feeling that PS4 was a WAY more profitable venture so I guess it was technically more successful lol.
July's PS4 sales will be lower than June's, likely significantly. And every month for the remainder of 2020 will be down YoY for both PlayStation 4 and Xbox One. The only hardware currently up YoY on a month-by-month basis at this time is Nintendo Switch. And there's a reasonable chance that's not going to hold either.
Yeah, from a profitability standpoint, PS4 is absolutely Sony's most successful hardware.
So just so we're clear, your assertion is that the back to back releases of the largest Sony releases in PS4 history will have no effect on console sales?
Not exactly bold, but no. The PS2 just had a thing going on for it for such a long time and I cant see it being passed, ever.
Based on Sony's forecast it seems quite likely this is going to be the case. Even if there was huge demand, Sony wont manufacture that many more consoles.
PS5 is definately the full focus for Sony going forward.