I prefer the 2d models, this looks kinda shitty. Exclusive in the west ist some major bullshit. Way to shit on your fanbase. Still working on D3, so until I cached up it might be out on other systems or I'll just get it for Switch.
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Disgaea 6: Defiance of Destiny announced (Switch/PS4, Switch Exclusive in the West, Summer 2021)
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I dunno, does it makes sense for Nintendo to pay for this exclusivity? I mean, the game will sell better on the Switch either way, it's a SRPG and it's not graphical intensive (and has lots of grinding), and it's not a series that will move tons of Switches. To me it seems a decision by NISA after selling their other Disgaea ports better on the Switch.
Oh hey I'm playing it right now, been a while since I've played Disgaea. I've fallen wayyyy down the gameplay loop rabbit hole once Item World opened up. I just can't stop. And I know I should stop and advance the plot more because I'm still early in the game and not all of the game's systems have opened yet, haha.
I get the feeling of being overwhelmed too. Since I hadn't played since Disgaea 2, I feel like D5 presupposes you're a longtime fan. The game spends very little time on tutorials and lots of the explanations are just a list of text-only menus. Like, I wasn't around for Evilities or Magichange.
The thought that Disgaea 6 is upping the level cap is kinda intimidating actually. It's entirely in line with the series brand but I don't think I'm ready for another Disgaea experience for a while.
The chibi artwork translates pretty well into 3D, though. It's very cute.
I think if they were paying there would be no reason to stop short at Japan. They'd get exclusivity everywhere.
People will refer to SNK Heroines but that was a compromise because Nintendo had to make a distribution deal to get the game on Switch at all but SNK already had a deal with NISA for a PS4 version.
I guess this is where I'm at too. This will be the first one I miss. Oh, well. I'll find something else to scratch that itch.
https://nintendoeverything.com/nisa...ps4-versions-disgaea-5-near-200k-in-the-west/
Like we've already had a case of something like this before with NISA and Nintendo doing a deal. It seems pretty logical to think another deal happened here specifically for the western version especially because the game is coming out on PS4 in other regions.
Basically in my head there are two things that would've lead to a Switch only release here in the West.
1) Exclusivity paid by Nintendo
2) There is some "questionable" content within the game that could be flagged by Sony's firm
Personally, I think it's the second, and NIS along with NISA doesn't want to devote extensive dev/QA time to adjust the title. I'm glad that I'm invested in the Switch versions of the game, but I do feel for the PlayStation only players.
1) Exclusivity paid by Nintendo
2) There is some "questionable" content within the game that could be flagged by Sony's firm
Personally, I think it's the second, and NIS along with NISA doesn't want to devote extensive dev/QA time to adjust the title. I'm glad that I'm invested in the Switch versions of the game, but I do feel for the PlayStation only players.
I got D5 at launch on PS4 but the later Switch release was pretty successful i hear. These games will come to PC anyway years down the line. It's more my love for Disgaea than nippon ichi that kept me buying the games, hearing how a lot of employees got screwed over before. Clashes with Sony or not some of the troubles were self-made and they cling on with some luck mixed in.
And it's not the first game NISA releases only to the Switch, Prinny 1+2 (the PSP remasters) are also exclusive from now. The way NISA has been porting EVERYTHING to the system makes me think their sales there are really good, so they may think that prioritizing Switch versions for some games is the best bussiness decision.
That's not really the same situation. Prinny 1+2 is also only available on the Switch in Japan.
I mean, if it's No.2, then it's entirely on Sony for creating an environment on PS4 that's fiscally unsound for niche developers.
Looks better than I expected based on the reactions in this thread. Disgaea games have always had a weird blend of good character sprites and hideous 3D terrain, so it's a relief to see actual decent looking 3D cel shaded characters.
Dropping PS4 in the west is weird. I can only assume they're planning a PS5 version later but didn't announce it yet. Doesn't really matter to me either way; Disgaea is great on Switch anyway.
Edit: Thinking about the 3D models a little more, this probably means the end of the isometric camera and fixed 90-degree camera rotations. Thank god.
Dropping PS4 in the west is weird. I can only assume they're planning a PS5 version later but didn't announce it yet. Doesn't really matter to me either way; Disgaea is great on Switch anyway.
Edit: Thinking about the 3D models a little more, this probably means the end of the isometric camera and fixed 90-degree camera rotations. Thank god.
Don't think "inappropriate" content can be a reason why the west is holding out on a Playstation version, since all those guidelines people like to complain about Sony are global including japan, and it clearly exists anyway. More likley the PS4 to PS5 transition is a bit much to handle.
#2 is unlikely since even JP exclusives must undergo the content checks for the west.
Yeah, but maybe NISA thinks that a Ps4 version on mid 2021 will flop, so they are either porting it to the Ps5 later or simply releasing only on the Switch. It's a strange decision for sure, but the game will sell really well on the system like the previous port did.
It will....though honestly I want a complete version of 3 and D2 on Consoles and PC :(
The good thing about changing to 3D models is that they can improve them easily from game to game.
As good as the sprites for Disgaea 4 were compared to the sprites in D1-3, they re-used them for DD2, D1 remake and D5, so playing the games on modern systems like the Switch or the Ps4 makes them feel blurry compared to the clear menus and art.
On the other hand, 3D models can be improved gradually, so I think it's a good change for them.
As good as the sprites for Disgaea 4 were compared to the sprites in D1-3, they re-used them for DD2, D1 remake and D5, so playing the games on modern systems like the Switch or the Ps4 makes them feel blurry compared to the clear menus and art.
On the other hand, 3D models can be improved gradually, so I think it's a good change for them.
Most exclusivity deals these days are timed. I don't see how this doesn't end up elsewhere in 6 months to a year from launch.
They are going to milk these same 3d models over and over again, the way they did their sprites.
NIS just isn't a wealthy company, they seem to barely scrape by, surviving off the sales of Disgaea whenever they port it to a new platform.
Do we have platform/region sales breakdown for D5? I could imagine the PS4 number was so bad that they didn't even bother localizing the new entry
Or on Nintendo for still allowing the sexualization of minors. Any companies that still depend on this bullshit to survive deserve to die.
But they are localising it. Just locked to one platform. So it's clearly not that.
Exclusivity is a term, that by now, should be an immediate flag as the world has pretty much gone to some level of time period. It seems to me that Nintendo paid for time exclusivity for this title and that future PC/PS versions are due (mostly due to the current PS4>PS5 transition going on).
I mean the localized PS4 version
Switch version did really good, like 100k-200k in the west
Yeah of course, but they can improve them more easily this time compared to the work of redrawing sprites. At least this time they decided to do a Switch version day one, which is the right thing to do if they want to have good sales on all markets.
My point being that Disgaea 6 is still getting an English localisation at the end of the day. Not using it for the PS4 version is not going to somehow save them a bunch of money, when an English release on PS4 would be far more likely to outsell the Japanese one. There is clearly some kind of deal in place here.
So do you know number for PS4? That's what I'm asking.
There's always cost involved in localization doesn't matter if you have existing translated scripts or not. If D5 sold like 5k in the west then if I'm NIS, I wouldn't even bother and instead focusing on marketing the cashcow version.
God Damn 2021 calm down!
The 3D models look fine and are going to look better when the game releases on a big TV I think. But it's gonna be something to get used to and as I like some good sprites as the next guy they had to do something different than D4 and 5 which were basically as mechanical and feature rich.
The 3D models look fine and are going to look better when the game releases on a big TV I think. But it's gonna be something to get used to and as I like some good sprites as the next guy they had to do something different than D4 and 5 which were basically as mechanical and feature rich.
So you would also argue that Final Fantasy should not come to Xbox since those games sell 10x better on PlayStaiton? This is such a weak argument to me. Selling worse on one system is not the same thing as not being profitable. Let's consider that this is a company that managed to stay afloat by adopting Vita as their main platform for a good five years or so before dumping it to move on to Switch. And again, an international PS4 release of this or really just about any game would also be bound to be far more profitable than a Japanese release given the state of PS4 in Japan. There was a lot of drama surrounding Nintendo's previous deal with NISA regarding the physical release of SNK Heroines being a Switch exclusive in the west. Someone at NISA openly talked shit about Sony, and NIS basically had to come out and do damage control.
If the Xbox version only sold only 5-10k then yes? It's the actual number I'm talking about not the multiplier.
instead of making up conspiracy theories about moneyhats and sony policy, what we should be doing is asking how come there's still a gap between jp release and western release
how is english translation and localization not being done during development so that we can get a global release?
how is english translation and localization not being done during development so that we can get a global release?
Worst character confirmedOne of the characters is literally Asuka lol:
