Disgaea 6: Defiance of Destiny announced (Switch/PS4, Switch Exclusive in the West, Summer 2021)
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There will already be a PS version... It's getting localised for the switch version...They could release it digitally for virtually no cost or risk.
User Banned (2 Weeks): Continued platform warring after receiving a prior warning; inflammatory points of comparison around wealth, privilege and poverty
Probably because they are two different situations. Inb4 some people report me for console warring and refusing to understand what the problem is, let me explain:
The PlayStation platform is a more privileged platform. It has the best third-party support even if the games don't sell well on it. By that, I mean the tons of niche Japanese games that are going in decline after the loss of handheld platforms. Also stuff like the Doraemon port or Yokai Watch 4 port had abysmal sales on the PS4. Yet, this will never stop companies from supporting it even if they lose money on it. PlayStation fans truly have it good.
So what's the problem? The problem is that Sony moneyhats exclusives DESPITE being this privileged. They already had such a strong platform. Many Japanese third-parties REFUSE to support Xbox (for obvious reasons) and Switch (despite being market leader in Japan) already. Even so, Sony still wants to completely shut down competition by buying more exclusives. That in itself is anti-competitive. Do you understand?
Nintendo platforms, on the other hand, don't have such luxury support. Nintendo can have the strongest platform, and third parties would skip it (see Gamecube vs PS2). Nintendo can have the best selling platform, and third parties would skip it. Hence, when Nintendo goes out of their way to moneyhat exclusives, it is of a competitive nature. They're getting games they might otherwise not get OR to make up for games skipping out on the platform. This balances the market and makes it healthier.
The problem with all the PlayStation fans being upset here is that you guys don't accept that the context are different. From your point of view, it's hypocrisy, but is it? Is it truly console warring and devoid of reasoning? The easiest way to evaluate this is to substitute the context into another similar situation. Let's compare the a rich guy who has everything to a working class citizen. The two are both hoarding goods, but they do it under different circumstances. The rich guy already has enough resources, but they simply want to buy more to keep others from having it. The working class citizen isn't as privileged and is hoarding goods to save up for bad times. Who would you support more? Is it not obvious?
You can say that both Nintendo and Sony are bad, but one's definitely worse. It's not console warring to point out that one platform is clearly more privileged and has more support. The less privileged platform will have compete using the same practice since the dominant one is being extremely aggressive. It is therefore, unreasonable to accuse both of being equally bad when one is doing it to compete and the other is doing it to prevent competition. I don't understand how that is so hard to get. You can say that this is shitty, but you must accept that it's a consequence of Sony's actions. You must, also, cannot deny that it is logically wrong to condemn Nintendo of being more ethically wrong than Sony when the latter is the main driving force and the one with the most privilege on the market. This is a reality you can't deny and calling it console warring because you guys can't dispute this is stupid. It just means you don't want to engage in a discussion where you might be wrong so you just want to shut it down using authority.
tl;dr I can already predict some will dismiss this as some copypasta and satire because they can't and don't want to address the valid points that have been brought up. It's easier to invalidate than engage after all. Be upset about the news if you want, but if someone wants to tell you that your anger is misdirected and the ethical problems you guys brought up are misplaced, then they have all the rights to do so. Just because you're upset doesn't mean anyone who denies your justification for feeling that way are wrong/bad/or console warring. Accept that. An undersupported platform getting exclusives > the most supported platform getting exclusives. I'll say it how many times you need to hear it. The latter is more unnecessary than the former. If the former is being more widely accepted, then there is a reason for that. You try to understand things by analyzing the norms and values that created such a different standard for the two platforms in the first place. Dismissing is NOT understanding.
Disgaea is more relevant in the west than Japan, so locking it up in the west is a bigger deal since that's where all the sales come from.
Hopefully it hits PC later. Switch games are just too expensive in my country.
That's a weird way to compare two game consoles
That's a weird way to compare two game consoles
The sales for small Japanese games have been favouring Switch more outside of Japan compared to in Japan.
Disgaea 5 Complete did kind of bad in Japan but tremendously well outside.
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I bought D5 Complete on Switch for $60 on release of the game back in 2017. Last month I sold it for $50, new today is $55.
I read the whole thing, but just no. One isn't worse and one isn't more privileged. In fact, this makes it more like fanboy drivel, blaming one side.
I've never bought a lot of Disgaea games, but I bought D3 on Vita, D4 on PS3 and Vita, and D5 on PS4. Won't be getting this unless it hopefully hits PS4 or PS5 in the West (Complete Edition maybe).
Really NIS, exclusive to switch in English for Disgaea?
A series that were always been released (and re-released) on Playstation?
Heck, the first game I played on my PS3 was Disgaea3, coz I really enjoyed playing D1 and D2 on PS2.
Sigh. Hopefully they'll port it to PS5 down later with all DLC in it. That'll be a silver lining I guess.
A series that were always been released (and re-released) on Playstation?
Heck, the first game I played on my PS3 was Disgaea3, coz I really enjoyed playing D1 and D2 on PS2.
Sigh. Hopefully they'll port it to PS5 down later with all DLC in it. That'll be a silver lining I guess.
It's shitty that there's a PS4 version in Japan and not outside but they aren't really beholden to always release on PlayStation because the dynamics have fundamentally changed. NISA has been selling more software on Switch and Disgaea 5 on Switch was much more successful than the PS4 version, and they quite publicly called out PlayStation for no longer caring about small publishers like them.
Yes, of course. NIS don't have any obligations to keep on releasing Disgaea on PS. It's their decision. However not releasing it in English on PS after having a PS4 version in Japan and English text from west switch version is very disappointing.
I'm still hoping there will be a complete collection down the line on PS. NIS usually have this kind of release for Disgaea.
I think that's pretty likely. I imagine the fact there's no PS5 version(yet), so it would be a PS4 release well into 2021 is the reason they decided to drop the PS version(for now).
It's coming out in January in Japan and PS5 is going to be a slow burner there so it doesn't make sense to drop the PS4 version there.
MC design and and 3d both looking questionable. They've been chasing that d1 magic for 2 decades and they very rarely catch it. Mechanics are always good, I just wish the writing weren't so incredibly tiresome.
Wat? It's just chibi
Nah, there's some gross shit in the series. I'm playing 5 now and there's a kid character with like her pants in danger of falling off and the other characters treat her like and call her a kid, and she looks noticeably younger than the rest of the cast.
I haven't played 5, so fair enough. Hopefully 6 is better (not very hopeful though)
The rabbit girl? I just got there, I don't think she's wearing pants, it's like a leotard.
The designs are pretty sketch in places yeah and there's squads and buffs for "flat chested" characters and boob jiggle. Peak otaku cringe. Nowi from FE might be the modern face of deragatory 1000 year old dragon description but Etna was the original 1000 year old demon.
Well, here is a tip:. Do not fully upgrade the innocent farm. Stop at level 7.
Well, unless you planned to really go all out it might not be that important. It's just way easier to get max innocent stacks initially if you don't max it. Subduing them in an item doubles their level and you can also fish for innocent tiles that really crank up the multiplier. There's also a squad you should level up and join whenever you subdue (Hunter Squad I think, more level multiplier)
Truthfully though, most of them will come from duping anyway once you're deep enough in an item. It's not the end of the world.
Sounds like a good problem to have, Nintendo really did them a solid putting in a direct that they made sure more people saw
The only thing that annoys me is simply the fact that I own every single Disgaea games on PS and now it won't "fit" with the rest.
New and amazing details about this game just came out in an article, but the main points for any SRPG and Disgaea fan:
Holy crap! This game is just so far above any SRPG ever that it's a joke!
- Functions such as double speed mode, auto-battle, auto-play were added
- AI Edit function added
Holy crap! This game is just so far above any SRPG ever that it's a joke!
If AI Edit means some kind of "monster behavior" cheat shop setting then it is a welcome choice, there was just no reason to waste slots for the extremely situational benefits of forcing lucky boards/level fish to not move, make monsters ignore/attract to you, etc that such evilities supplied in D5.
Double Speed gonna be weird it took me a while to get used to D5's cursor movement at max speed already now everything that happens is gonna whizz by.
Double Speed gonna be weird it took me a while to get used to D5's cursor movement at max speed already now everything that happens is gonna whizz by.
Feel like it has more to do with the auto-battle functionality. If so, wonder how finely it'll let you tailor your units' behavior?
I'd love a remaster of 2. My fave as well. It would be amazing to see it durning the Switch's lifespan. We'd have nearly all Disgaea games on a single platform!
Yeah, both D3 and D4 got their remakes already (even if I'm not a fan of their mechanics regarding geo blocks instead of spheres/pyramids, and the way skill level power increases by and large invalidate tanking and just turn maps into shootouts and 'alpha striking'), and D2's remake on psp/DS was not quite as good.
That being said, because it 'technically' has a remake/'complete' edition, I don't know if we'd see it anytime soon.
I thiiiiink I'd rather have a DD2 re-release tho, because it both involves Laharl and co. again, and has a lot of improvement/changes from D3/D4's gameplay that went onto D5.
Anyways, I'm curious if the auto-battler stuff actually lets you do multiple stages and such (i.e. clearing item world levels), or is just some variation/improvement akin to more recent fire emblem titles where the game will move your units around for you, but only for that stage.
That being said, because it 'technically' has a remake/'complete' edition, I don't know if we'd see it anytime soon.
I thiiiiink I'd rather have a DD2 re-release tho, because it both involves Laharl and co. again, and has a lot of improvement/changes from D3/D4's gameplay that went onto D5.
Anyways, I'm curious if the auto-battler stuff actually lets you do multiple stages and such (i.e. clearing item world levels), or is just some variation/improvement akin to more recent fire emblem titles where the game will move your units around for you, but only for that stage.