Not rely solely young voters to push him as the democrat nominee for president.
Not admonish the "democratic establishment" while running as a democrat.
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Democratic Presidential Primaries & Caucuses |March OT| Last Tuesday was 1000 years ago, old news no one cares about (Discussion Guidelines in OP)
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Not rely solely young voters to push him as the democrat nominee for president.
Not admonish the "democratic establishment" while running as a democrat.
This. I always said progressive politics was going to take ages to build inroads.
They don't. That's the problem. Hunter's going to be Joe's Swift Boat Vets For Truth. Trump is going to walk all over him in the debates if he wins.
Call himself a progressive instead of a
Democratic socialist. Fair or not, socialism is a bad word in America, and Americans don't like nuance. He is not even a socialist in the first place. Maybe a social democrat. That's just one thing that was against him.
No way.
"Damn right I'm taking your guns"
Was literally political suicide in Texas. He would not help.
I genuinely appreciate it. Kind words are all I can realistically hope for right now.
Nah, Bernie should have hammered home the idea that his plan saves money. The difference in him explaining medicare for all compared to Pramila is pretty stark. None of the propaganda (costs of the plan) against that policy flies when Pramila is speaking. She's too knowledgeable about the subject.
1) Have actual plans, not just promises. Bernie never showed how he was going to deliver on campaign promises.
2) Work with the other progressive candidates. Don't set your attack sights on them.
3) Strongly repudiate the PLCAA.
4) Explain the whole NO vote on the Magnitsky Act.
5) Recognize that racism is a thing.
That would be a start.
Honestly, I don't think Dems are that concerned about standards anymore.
After all, Trump normalized a load of shit, so it's very well possible that moderates and independents were affected by the normalization too.
it's looking like this would have been the most likely path for what people here seem to want policy-wise, but it's looking like it wouldn't have worked anyways
warren seems not-so-great at the whole campaigning thing, so maybe this biden timeline's better than the no-bernie timeline
I don't have much faith in that. Hillary lost to Trump and now the party is probably going to nominate Biden. It feels like the same mistakes from 2004 and 2016 are being made.
I get your point but Pete is 38 and no one got up in arms about that
Yup. You'll probably get Kamala and Mexicans will still be in cages but hey at least we're going back to normalcy.
In terms of electability?
- Disavow "democratic socialism" as a descriptor... even if it meant coming up with some nonsense term.
- Drop the free college for all plans. Among the centrists I know, this is far, far more unpopular than M4A. People are offended at the idea.
- In general, be warmer and less aggressive... his surrogates did absolutely nothing to bring in centrists.
- Have Bernie not revert to a one-note stump speech during the debates... or any public appearance for that matter. Sanders' private nature probably kept people at bay (as opposed to Biden's nonstop invocations of his family and personal struggles).
- African American outreach. The campaign was frankly pathetic on this front.
- Figured out a way to turn out these magical voters that they promised would demonstrate the existence of the revolution. Only Nevada showed an inkling of this before tonight.
In regards to AOC, the presidential election is usually a career achievement award of sorts. It shouldn't be, but it's way more about being able to point and be like "look what I've done, elect me". Ideology and message are absolutely key deciders, but you need that reputation and history to get to the table in the first place.
That's why a 2024 run makes no sense.
That's why a 2024 run makes no sense.
It would be a shock if it isn't. He won the most states and is building up a reasonable lead in Texas. Bernie's only real bright spot is Cali, and going forward he has more unfriendly states than friendly state, and if Bloomers drops... Well, Biden lost more vote to Bloomer than Bernie did to Warren (assuming that bases here are 1:1 which, they probably aren't).
Getting a job because of your connected parents is the story of 25% of white America and the Trump family. It's not really a thing that people care about, especially now that everyone knows how blatantly corrupt the hunt for investigations was. 50% of the country wanted him flat out removed from office.
Coronavirus probably won't do any favors.
Edit: Fox News had Burisma on deck for most of 2019. It did nothing to stop Biden today. They will push the "Bernie got screwed" narrative because it's their best bet to siphon off a few % points here and there.
It's not going to depress turnout. It hasn't depressed turnout. This is a "just you wait!" boogey man thing that never happens. People were very excited to vote Biden tonight because they're very excited to beat Trump. None of them care about smelling women's hair or being "creepy uncle Joe." It's not taken seriously at all.
The villanizing people who didn't support him (whether it be voters or party officials) was actually highly detrimental
Because there are other sources to use for that video than a hate campaign?
Also, I like that you're selectively replying to posts to completely ignore the 5 people who explained the context of that video to you.
How was the delegat split for tuesday compared to what was expected?
When is California expected to be counted?
When is California expected to be counted?
Not making the same mistakes by not focusing on the south and African American voters. Not relying on a voting population that is unreliable.(young voters)
Smart money would be Kamala or Stacey Abrams. Play to that base.
A fundamental to being a progressive is being non-interventionist, and being against money in politics. They're not progressives and them endorsing Biden is them showing their true colors.
Your 5th point is just a lie. Why lie?
Context matters, it'd be like saying you can't praise the French Revolution or the American Revolution because a lot of people died. I agree with most of what you say here but I disagree with your first point strenuously.
I've heard people pronounce many things as fact in this race. Bidens support is incredibly weak I'll wait and see. Bernie isnt far behind.
User Banned (1 Month): Dismissive and racist generalisations.
What exactly was Sanders supposed to do to court black voters? Pull a bottle of hot sauce out of his fucking purse?
Edit: Before I get called a racist, this is based on Clinton's pathetic attempts to seem human, similar to calling herself, "Abuela". Just shameless, racism-lite pandering.
Not actively alienated the people whose votes they needed. Attacking the Democratic Party (and especially the legacy of Barack Obama, who's still incredibly popular) when you need Democrats to vote for you kind of limits your appeal.
Approval ratings don't matter.
I'm saying this as a hardcore Bernie supporter. Most people may gripe right now, but they hate Trump more than anyone else in the race (other than Bloomberg or Gabbard)
They'll vote for Biden or Bernie just because Trump is such a disaster.
The difference is that the GOP base don't mind. They want Jr or Ivanka to be there.
Dems recognize that nepotism is... kinda corrupt.
if Biden loses then in 2024 we probably get some centrist hack like Buttigieg
everyone was so eager to predict a progressive winning this primary after Clinton lost and look where we are now.
Yeah, nothing wrong with doing some of this, very selectively, in the general, but you have to survive the primary first.
Well, no I responded to this person almost immediately. Which was before the others had posted.
Context does matter. Fidel Castro is a massive wound for many people who fled from Cuba during Castro's rise and their children and grandchildren.
I mean... Biden WROTE the damn assault weapon ban in the 90s. Gun nuts will be voting Trump regardless.
He could have altered his messaging to bring in a wider coalition. Don't just sell m4a as a human right to healthcare, but as something good for the economy. Tell people they could retire early or switch jobs or start their own companies. He just never changed to match the audience he needed.
this Is just about over already. Sorry Bernie bro's and fans. The rest of the southern states are definitely going to Joe and that momentum is going to carry through the essential midwestern states.
Who do you guys want to see as Biden's VP?
Who do you guys want to see as Biden's VP?
It's a joke about Hillary's "I carry hot sauce EVERYWHERE, I am JUST like you" shit
Edit: but it is not very well phrased. And not in good taste.
How did he attack the legacy of Obama? And the major parts of the party would be against him regardless unless you think his policy positions aren't the major factor in that divide.
Seriously. I don't know why this is so complicated for folks: you're running as a Democrat, stop spending all your time shitting on Democrats if you want them to fucking vote for you.
Christ. Bernie and his surrogates sometimes feel like they spend more time bitching about the party THEY WANT TO BE NOMINATED TO REPRESENT than anything else.
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