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Piggus

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Biden will just be another Clinton. I'm not saying Bernie would absolutely beat Trump but his odds aren't 0% like they are for Biden. Can't believe we're going to be stuck with Trump for another 4 years...

What exactly makes you think that Biden can't beat Trump? He's significantly more popular than Clinton and doesn't carry nearly as much baggage. He also has a much, MUCH better chance than Clinton in the critical states she lost. And why do you think Trump started that Ukraine shit in the first place? It's because Biden was absolutely slaughtering him in the hypothetical head-to-head polls. Trump is terrified of Biden, and he should be.

I swear, some of you just live with a constant defeatist attitude. It was tiring leading up to the midterms, it's tiring now, and it will continue to be tiring. So suck it up and get ready to end this fucking nightmare in November.
 

M.Bluth

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Oct 25, 2017
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Biden will just be another Clinton. I'm not saying Bernie would absolutely beat Trump but his odds aren't 0% like they are for Biden. Can't believe we're going to be stuck with Trump for another 4 years...
4 years? The piece of absolute shit will never leave. People still don't get what Trump is. They think he's just trolling when he was saying "16 more years" and he is, but is also absolutely serious.

And no one will do a thing about it.
 

WhySoDevious

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Oct 31, 2017
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Biden will just be another Clinton. I'm not saying Bernie would absolutely beat Trump but his odds aren't 0% like they are for Biden. Can't believe we're going to be stuck with Trump for another 4 years...
Biden appeals to some of the moderate undecided voters that went to Trump in the last election. Plus the Republicans that are disgusted by Trump.

No way Bernie could ever appeal to them.

People may hate that Biden is reaching out to Republicans given the past four years, but that's the path to victory.
 

Jeremy

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Oct 25, 2017
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I'm already seeing multiple friends on Facebook from NC, SC, FL, and Ohio claiming they won't vote for Biden in the general. Christ...

Emotions are running high tonight.

The good thing is that this is early in the process. Trump will do awful shit from here until November, and the urge to bounce him will resurface.

To those who are disheartened by Biden, focus on downballot races, any efforts you make there honestly have more impact anyhow.
 
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Yeah, the whole "the establishment is getting nervous because working people want a better life for a change" angle was really bad. The implication was if you're not a supporter of Sanders's ideology then you either weren't caring enough for the downtrodden or the policies and politicians you supported weren't good.
When he had his stint as the frontrunner, he should have dropped this shit and been more warm and inviting.

He did the "establishment is out to get us" shit after he won in Nevada

It was time for him to be a team player and he instead had put on the persecution complex.
 

Davilmar

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Emotions are running high tonight.

The good thing is that this is early in the process. Trump will do awful shit from here until November, and the urge to bounce him will resurface.

No, I don't doubt them. These are my personal friends. Some of them swore off of Hillary, but most held their noses and voted for her. A second time around? I genuinely believe they are staying home. This was the last straw for a lot of them. Emotions or not. They checked out the moment the numbers came out bad for Bernie.
 

KidAAlbum

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One of the biggest problems of Sanders' campaign thus far has been framing people who don't support it as either outright enemies or too uneducated to understand it. Like you couldn't possibly not be on board with Sanders' ideas unless you're a HATER or an idiot.

He and his surrogates have never been able to make his message and his platform as inclusive as Bernie clearly THINKS it is.
That's because we keep hearing attacks from the right on these policy positions. Don't blame us, blame the other candidates and the media for hammering home these awful attacks.

Do you expect us to not fight back?
 

ry-dog

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What's with this courting the black vote? All Biden did was be Obama's Vice President. That's literally it. That's all it took. Forget policy, like Medicare for all, green new deal, student loan debt. People's voting is so much more superficial than that, there's nothing Bernie could have done to beat "Obama's bff". No matter how much racist shit came out of Biden's mouth.

I also think people are giving the education system way too much credit. Most won't even know who Fidel Castro was. That didn't cost Bernie the nomination
 

Serene

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4 years? The piece of absolute shit will never leave. People still don't get what Trump is. They think he's just trolling when he was saying "16 more years" and he is, but is also absolutely serious.

And no one will do a thing about it.

Genuinely surprised it took this long for this take to pop up again

I was almost starting to miss it

almost
 

Eeyore

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Context does matter. Fidel Castro is a massive wound for many people who fled from Cuba during Castro's rise and their children and grandchildren.

Thousands of people died in the French and American Revolutions too. My point isn't minimizing the Cuban people's suffering under Castro but to address these disingenuous jabs. Is it up to Bernie to answer the questions for every socialist dictator the world has ever seen just because he's socialist? Is it up to Biden to address the fact that there are plenty of totalitarians elected in democracies? I would say no on both counts.
 

Magni

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Tulsi is from Hawaii, makes sense

I thought about that, but it's not like those islands are that close. There are plenty of terrible politicians from neighboring states I would never vote for 🤷‍♂️

Stop with the conspiracy theories.

People voted. Not the DNC people. People aren't some kind of mind-controlled slaves, voting the way the DNC wants them to. They vote according to their own will. That doesn't cease being the case just because in this case they voted for someone you don't prefer.

As for Amy and Pete dropping out, and choosing to endorse Biden, that they endorsed Biden and not Sanders is ultimately on Sanders himself. They indeed easily could have endorsed Sanders. But they chose not. And that's because apparently, according to them, Biden made the stronger case. That Sanders didn't get their endorsements is ultimately on him. Because he had every chance to do so. Literally every chance. Especially in the case of Klobuchar, who he works alongside in the Senate everyday. That they nonetheless both picked Biden over Sanders is because to them, Biden made the stronger argument and that Sanders ultimately failed to get an endorsement from them is ultimately a failure on him and no one else.

Blaming the DNC is just pathetic because just like any other voters, Mayor Pete and Klobuchar are individuals with their own wills who aren't being mind-controlled by the DNC or anything.

And just like any other voter, if Sanders wants their votes, if he wants their endorsements, it's his job to make his case. And that he wasn't able to was a failure on him. And not only that, to not only not recognize that failure, to not go "yeah, they feel Biden made the better case, and that's their right, but here's why I feel differently and why I feel they're wrong to do that," that makes it not only a failure on his part but absolutely pathetically cowardly to blame the "establishment" or the "DNC" or whatever on top of it all.

Because when a true leader fails, when a leader fails, they look it in the eye and acknowledge it, dead-on, to see what they can do to improve, how they avoid repeating those mistakes and do better, improve.

You can't do that if you invent boogeyman instead.

It's literally just as much Sanders' job to get them on his side as it is any other voter. If he fails, that's on him and nobody else and to blame anyone but himself makes it not just a failure, but a cowardly failure as well.

Not that it even matters since just as Mayor Pete and Klobuchar are individuals, so are all the other people who voted tonight, who voted their own wills for a myriad of different reasons, each one their own, not because their some mind-controlled slave of the DNC or whatever but because that's the candidate who they legitimately wanted to vote for and thus ended up doing so.

Anyone peddling this stupid "DNC" shit can GTFO because it's clear you don't actually respect voters, at all, just because they happen to disagree with you in this particular instance and that's just pathetic as fuck. Goddamn.

This is a great post. When Bernie wins a state, it's the will of the people, when he loses it's a DNC conspiracy. When he gets an endorsement, it's because the endorser willingly joined the revolution. When Biden gets an endorsement, it's because the endorser got paid off by the establishment.

Bernie supporters, please stop sabotaging your own candidate. You're not doing him any favors with these terrible takes.
 

ToddBonzalez

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When he had his stint as the frontrunner, he should have dropped this shit and been more warm and inviting.

He did the "establishment is out to get us" shit after he won in Nevada

It was time for him to be a team player and he instead had put on the persecution complex.
Wasn't Trump's positioning of himself as an outsider a big part of his appeal in 2016?
 

Jeremy

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Oct 25, 2017
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No, I don't doubt them. These are my personal friends. Some of them swore off of Hillary, but most held their noses and voted for her. A second time around? I genuinely believe they are staying home. This was the last straw for a lot of them. Emotions or not. They checked out the moment the numbers came out bad for Bernie.

Oh well, then, fuck them.

Gonna have to win without them.
 

Wonderrade

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Oct 25, 2017
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surely everyone can agree its great news that we dont live in the time line where bloomberg gets the nomination
 

Prodigal Son

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Y'all think Black voters don't see this stuff huh.

Let's wait for the Mississippi numbers.
i am black voters and i promise you no one who is not an always online psycho gives a fuck. The one person on this page who said its part of a wider trend is correct though. Obviously the person leaning harder into the legacy of the first black president is going to fair better with older black voters (and not the younger black voters like me who I assume you know Sanders has won easily)
 
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Wasn't Trump's positioning of himself as an outsider a big part of his appeal in 2016?
Kinda does not work for Bernie since he has been in congress for decades.


i am black voters and i promise you no one who is not an always online psycho gives a fuck. The one person on this page who said its part of a wider trend is correct though. Obviously the person leaning harder into the legacy of the first black president is going to fair better with older black voters (and not the younger black voters like me who I assume you know Sanders has won easily)
Aren't you canadian?
 

KidAAlbum

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Nov 18, 2017
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Honestly? Basically be Warren without the gaffes. Warren very easily could have shored up the rest of the vote if Buttigieg had dropped out during her surge rather than surge himself.
Warren without the gaffes did not have the same poc vote. It's turning out the Obama factor was just too much thus far.
 

Lnds500

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Oct 27, 2017
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Yeah the fact that Biden is seemingly getting the black vote just because he has "a black friend" is super disappointing for a community that is supposedly very calculated on how it votes.

EDIT: Could have phrased this better. Certainly didn't mean to sound condescending or demeaning

Anyway, I guess he got the votes because they believe he is not as threatening as the other candidates

www.bostonglobe.com

Why Black voters support Joe Biden - The Boston Globe

To be sure, every Democratic candidate has Black supporters. Yet Biden has two advantages.
 
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mugurumakensei

Elizabeth, I’m coming to join you!
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Oct 25, 2017
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What has Biden done to earn black peoples trust?

Not Obama, Biden. I genuinely want to know. Did he get some key endorsements or something? His stance on racial injustices is nowhere near as comprehensive as Sanders.

it's more about what Biden didn't do. He didn't deny older Southern Black People's lived experiences. Though certainly what Biden did do, seek out endorsements from the local candidates who lived those same experiences, helped a lot too.
 

Steel

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Oct 25, 2017
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Warren without the gaffes did not have the same poc vote. It's turning out the Obama factor was just too much thus far.
Warren without the gaffes was the second choice of everyone but Biden during her surge. Including Bernie. Which would have been enough. Biden with the clogged field was doing abysmal with the white vote and not much better with latinos.
 

ethanradd

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Oct 30, 2017
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This is wild, went to sleep and woke up to Biden sweeping everything. Damn, haven't looked at the delegate maths but it's probably over for Bernie isn't it? Just wild how things changed so quickly.
 

Xando

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Oct 28, 2017
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As someone not from the US i'm baffled biden is gonna win. He and Bloomberg seem like the most uninspiring candidates in the field (what's even his message outside of 'i was obamas VP?'). This really looks like 2016 all over again.
 

Davilmar

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Oct 27, 2017
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Oh well, then, fuck them.

Gonna have to win without them.

Well, that's going to be a challenge if Biden isn't going to offer something compelling. I'd try talking to them over it, but even I can't sell Biden outside of him not being Trump. So I'm just going to mail my ballot and wake up in January to see who we're stuck with.

Give the more reasonable ones time cool down. It's been a long primary.

These are the reasonable ones. The other ones already sat out, and many of them already have their lives in the gutter and are in the "fuck it" mode. It's hard talking to people when their health and futures were already in a precarious situation. They held their noses, and felt burned hard by Hillary in 2020. I'm afraid too many people are too far gone to give it another shot. I'm hoping this isn't the mantra with the majority of younger voters.
 

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This is wild, went to sleep and woke up to Biden sweeping everything. Damn, haven't looked at the delegate maths but it's probably over for Bernie isn't it? Just wild how things changed so quickly.

It's not that far off yet (although final counts aren't in), and there's a lot of race left to go, but yeah... this ain't good. We'll have to fight tooth and nail to get anywhere in this election. Thankfully us Bernie Bros are mindless and easily pissed off, so hopefully we can drum up the energy to get out there and kick some ass.
 

mugurumakensei

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As someone not from the US i'm baffled biden is gonna win. He and Bloomberg seem like the most uninspiring candidates in the field (what's even his message outside of 'i was obamas VP?'). This really looks like 2016 all over again.

biden's got more votes in 2020 than Hillary and Bernie combined in 2016. This is not 2016 and Bernie's doing worse than 2016 in many states.
 
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