My mind refuses to believe this. This behavior is just disgusting. The police getting their own children out has me fucking livid.
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You'd think that being a predominately Hispanic town/city that at least one of the cops or someone from the department would be fluent in Spanish.
No no he's saying plants the idea of how to effectively commit the crime, not the idea of committing it itself
Hayes is saying the shooter planned the attack based on the drill protocols he knew would be in place because he went through the drills.
That's still deeply stupid and no better. Anything to deflect from the gun issue.
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I will never understand how anyone can look at those bar graphs and be like, jupp checks out. Nothing else needs funding, please give the police more money.
But ohhh no "defund the police is too radical" pathetic.
Also why on earth does a community of 13000 need a swat team? Surely two friendly community peace officers would be more than enough...
That's a botched up paraphrase from a NY Post article. I wouldn't hinge on it until there's another source.
Do you have an article on this? I hope this gets blasted everywhere... i doubt it will change anything, but this need to be known... damn this is horrible
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No it isn't
There's not much evidence that these drills do anything, except give cops a chance to play out their bad guy fantasies and traumatize children.
I've yet to see any meaningful evidence that these drills save lives, and now we've seen they've been in place so long that shooters are getting old enough to have gone through the drills themselves and use the protocols to their advantage.
No it isn't
There's not much evidence that these drills do anything, except give cops a chance to play out their bad guy fantasies and traumatize children.
I've yet to see any meaningful evidence that these drills save lives, and now we've seen they've been in place so long that shooters are getting old enough to have gone through the drills themselves and use the protocols to their advantage.
It's the timeline I've compiled from various reporters on Twitter let me see if I can track down the tweets.
Honestly, yes it is and you should know better. Well then let's just do fucking nothing and see how great that turns out.
It's literally just there to distract from the actual issue: people having too easy access to guns. Anything to keep us from talking about the actual issue.
Thin blue line my ass. More like cowardly blue line. But somehow, discussing american police cowardice specifically is crossing a line.
In Parkland, Police also didn't go in when they should have. Their training calls for going in in active shootings, precisely to avoid the current situation. But no, fuck the children. Protect the cop lives! After all, blue lives matter.
What a fucking joke.
In Parkland, Police also didn't go in when they should have. Their training calls for going in in active shootings, precisely to avoid the current situation. But no, fuck the children. Protect the cop lives! After all, blue lives matter.
What a fucking joke.
As I said earlier in the thread , sometimes doing things that is security theatre and not actually evidence based effective, can be worse than doing nothing . For example if you do breast scans when a person is younger it's far likelier to led to false positives that lead to treatment a patient doesn't need. In this case if the drills don't work and I'm not sure I'be ever seen evidence they do work, in best case you are traumatising generations of children for something with no benefit and worst case as mass shooters are young men, they are not long out of school and have the drill preparation's fresh in their head. That's without getting into the fact that by doing school shooter drills it has allowed politician's to make it seem like they have done something , and not actually implement things that have evidence to work like gun control laws and dealing with the issues of radicalised racist/sexist young men. Why do you think politicians are suddenly focusing on arming teachers as a solution? They want to seem to do something even if it doesn't work. Look gun control laws is the thing I would focus on but I don't think the idea that doing shooter drills isn't a great idea and has negative impacts on kids is that controversial
This is an outlier, cops never run into a situation where a "criminal" is behind a locked door.
Pretty sure if it was a 18 year old kid selling weed in Texas behind a closed door they would have figured out a way around this lock technology.
One can easily argue that accepting active shooter drills is acquiesing to not doing anything either. Similar to tornado drills and fire drills, shooter drills are accepting that armed gunmen are a natural occurrence. I would like to see stats on how many active shooter drills have saved lives as opposed to traumatizing kids and at worst, giving some kids an idea on how shootings can be implemented but I already have a feeling that they're not as beneficial.
But that's the point, those drills are part and parcel part of the not doing anything about the real problem.
This concern isn't new
Active shooter drills are meant to prepare students. But research finds ‘severe’ side effects.
A new report examining nearly 28 million social media posts tied to 114 schools finds higher rates of depression and stress following active shooter drills.
www.nbcnews.com
Parkland shooter is also suspected of using his knowledge of the drills to his advantage
The drills they're doing are traumatic and frequently obscene, they've used actual projectiles against teachers in one, leaving them bleedingand welted shot at point blank range, in others they play sounds and actually simulate the sensory experiences of a shooting (which they don't do for other drills)
Indiana mandates them and refused to ban projectiles.
Do Active Shooter Drills Work? (Published 2021)
They may harm the mental health of students, while doing little to prevent mass shootings.
Unannounced Active Shooter Drills Scaring Students Without Making Them Safer | NEA
If schools are going to conduct drills, says NEA President Lily Eskelsen García, they need to take steps to ensure they do more good than harm.
www.nea.org
News & Events | Rutgers University-Camden
Report questions effectiveness of active shooter drills in schools
Active shooter drills, a routine in American schools for the last two decades, tend to traumatize students and have not been proven to save lives, according to a report released on Tuesday.
www.reuters.com
The alternative to schools is to do nothing.
This is an insane argument.
No it's do it 100% different if you're going to do it
Because what many schools are doing now are no proven effective, aren't standardized, aren't effective prevention, are traumatizing, and in two major shootings used by the shooters to commit terror more effectively
I can't believe the cops put up more resistance to parents trying to get their kids than stopping the shooter.
Nearly half this town's budget went to funding the local police. This is what 4 million dollars a year gets you. 22 dead women and children.
I didnt even think about the doors. The school i work at we have 2 buildings 1 new where the doors open into the classroom and 1 old where the doors open into the hall. It would be hard for the shooter to barricade himself in if the doors open outward unless its just throwing desks/tables up against the door entrance
So they just waited for him to burn through all his ammo in that classroom. That checks with the news that the bodies were so mutilated that they needed to swab the parents DNA to identify them. He just sat in that room for an hour blowing those children to pieces.
Fucking cowardly bastards.
Fucking cowardly bastards.
Man, that's some serious "eat the broodmare's past children and replace them with your own" Law of the Jungle criminal energy
Literally animals. We all are, but holy shit.
Just abolish the police at this point if this is how they're going to respond. Literally what is the point.
There is no source. A NYPost article quoted someone as saying the cops evacuated their own kids but there was no elaboration on what that actually meant and no other outlet has reported that.
I thought others with guns would stop this shit. 🤔
Man fuck this shit. It's infuriating seeing the pigs standing around with their guns not doing shit when the pro gun advocates are always spilling this dumb shit narrative that you just need others with guns so they can go rambo and stop shit. Clearly the fuck not.
Next time someone says that, this video should be shown.
Man fuck this shit. It's infuriating seeing the pigs standing around with their guns not doing shit when the pro gun advocates are always spilling this dumb shit narrative that you just need others with guns so they can go rambo and stop shit. Clearly the fuck not.
Next time someone says that, this video should be shown.
These small town cops love to cosplay as soldiers like they're fighting the fucking Taliban with their AR-15s and military tac gear, but at the end of the day it's all theater to make them look tougher than they actually are. They're not soldiers, so whats the point of giving them all this high-end equipment if they're just gonna stand there like cowards and not actually use it to do their fucking jobs.
Shitty time to find out that the police aren't the good ones.
Now I have to wonder if a group of parents did actually start running into the school to get to their kids, would those cops have dared to open fire on them? I know it seems ridiculous, but nothing is out of the question anymore when it comes to shitty cops.
I just read that when the border patrol agents or whoever busted in they said for the kids to yell if they need help… someone did and the shooter heard and of course shot the kid. Way to go, morons. That's one casualty basically on your hands.
It was clearly amateur hour across the board in the response from law enforcement. Why the fuck would you tell kids in hiding to yell if you haven't caught/killed the shooter yet? That's the dumbest fucking thing ever. Wow.
It was clearly amateur hour across the board in the response from law enforcement. Why the fuck would you tell kids in hiding to yell if you haven't caught/killed the shooter yet? That's the dumbest fucking thing ever. Wow.
Interesting. It's sort of an amazing claim that it happened, yeah.
Uvalde School Shooting: 18 kids, three adults killed
WATCH: We are on the scene at Robb Elementary following reports of an active shooter situation Tuesday afternoon.
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He doesn't deny it, and deflects about the "brave women and men in law enforcement"
NYpost is sourcing this interview I posted
Hold the fuck up here, I don't want to get this wrong so don't take what I'm saying as fact here, but when they went in the room with the shooter, they failed to neutralize him so he killed off another kid as they breached the room? Where is this claim coming from?
Is this a claim made through the internet, or has any news association ran with this?
The boy and four others hid under a table that had a tablecloth over it, which may have shielded them from the shooter's view and saved their lives. The boy shared heartbreaking details about what happened in that room. "When the cops came, the cop said: 'Yell if you need help!' And one of the persons in my class said 'help.' The guy overheard and he came in and shot her," the boy said. "The cop barged into that classroom. The guy shot at the cop. And the cops started shooting."
Is this a claim made through the internet, or has any news association ran with this?
The boy and four others hid under a table that had a tablecloth over it, which may have shielded them from the shooter's view and saved their lives. The boy shared heartbreaking details about what happened in that room. "When the cops came, the cop said: 'Yell if you need help!' And one of the persons in my class said 'help.' The guy overheard and he came in and shot her," the boy said. "The cop barged into that classroom. The guy shot at the cop. And the cops started shooting."