Yeah I was also thinking about this, people dont have the money to fund more than a couple non-corporate democrats. Im surprised that Gabbard has survived more than a month tbh.
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2020 Democratic Presidential Primary | OT | Hickenlooper makes it to the debate
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you need to actually reply to people if you want them to respond to your posts. and yeah, placing quotation marks around the construction of whiteness like it's not a real thing and then quoting bar graphs back at meremind me again how the rural US is somehow extricable from the "construction of whiteness" and its negative consequences when it's LITERALLY THE WHITEST PART
like i didn't already acknowledge that the diverse rural communities i'm talking about are minority communities (as in, you know, not in the majority). what's your point?
if that's what you took out of that then there literally isn't any point in continuing to respond to you, lmao
Big donors would be a weakness for her. Hmmm. Wonder how long she can survive at this rate, if she gets to Cali that alone right be the death knell for her campaign.
Agreed. She's got xtra competition with candidates like Williams, too.
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There's actually another reason the rural American south tends to be a bit more racist
how will i live without your useful bar graphs explaining things everyone already knew and accepted
Yeah, she's in a tough spot.
I think we'll see the dem field expand and contract in a much quicker fashion than the GOP field did in 2016 for exactly this reason.
I thought we were taking about rural locations in general, not just the South.
Though the legacy of slavery has infected everywhere else in the country.
I agree with your point on how homogeneity and isolationism leads to more racism and bigotry. (On top of a country built upon racism).
And lol, I know this isn't something you mean, but I hope you weren't implying that poor people are goldfish.
cut the fucking shit, dude
i'm "quoting bar graphs" in part to demonstrate that rural areas are both less diverse than the rest of the country and also diversifying at slower rates, directly tying into the isolationism problem (on top of the other pre-existing issues with American rural communities as currently constructed).
most of my family grew up in rural areas. many of my friends did. that the overwhelming majority of the marginalized among them now live in cities and suburbs, pretty much completely regardless of their income levels, isn't a fucking accident or something you can just arbitrarily separate from the rest of this country's garbage social constructions.
maybe kirblar's out of line saying the rural areas deserve to die, but your flying off the fucking handle in response and frankly acting like a shitbaby is doing you absolutely no favors.
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i thought you were done responding
yeah, like i said explaining things people already understood and accepted. no one is saying that rural areas are more diverse they are saying that you can't throw the diverse rural communities that do exist and enjoy the communities we have and don't necessarily want to turn into big cities under the bus and paint a broad brush to say "screw rural people" and rural communities need to all wither away
i'm not going to have my perfectly justified and sensible reaction to someone saying screw rural people tone-policed by people with no sympathy or understanding of rural communities. so typical of era's detached elitist nonsense that i get dogpiled rather than someone lecturing a rural person who is trans and gay about how they should loathe rurality too because they're being oppressed as if i don't understand my own damn oppression and want lectures on it from people talking about erasing my communities. i want to show solidarity with rural communities and stay and fight to make them better if it's at all possible, not adopt this condescending nonsense that actually does no one any favors
On the social isolation thing, this is a great study that I have no idea how to do the OP for because it's so wide ranging. https://www.prri.org/research/ameri...is-the-fate-of-pluralism-in-a-divided-nation/
This isn't specific to rural areas, but it showcases part of the problem.
This isn't specific to rural areas, but it showcases part of the problem.
Our rural south is especially fucked up because of the area's historical and cultural links with slavery, but sphagnum's analysis is universal-ish.
I think the exception would be Brazil where far right wing elements co-opted the urbanized youth for once rather than the cynical countryside.
I think the exception would be Brazil where far right wing elements co-opted the urbanized youth for once rather than the cynical countryside.
Does Brazil have any sort of rural-landlord problem? That's when rural areas go leftist, at least economically.
...okay, actually, kinda fucked that it took this many posts (really more than just reading your initial response to kirblar) to finally break through to me that this wasn't some weird attempt to defend the white rural majority.
(my brain's running on fumes between getting only 3 hours of sleep last night and lingering energy drain recovering from a gout flareup right now so, frankly, if you're gonna call me out for being a dumb condescending idiot you're totally justified in doing so.)
coming from someone who's all that except rural, everything in your post is fair. while my opinion of american rural areas does tend low due to the aforementioned things people already understand and accept (though personally, as a disabled person with CKD the biggest "thing" is avg distance to health care facilities), i'm not gonna co-sign the idea that they need to "wither away". if there are fights i can join to help unfuck rural america particularly for its marginalized communities as some youthful idiot from suburban ohio, then i'd be glad to join them.
and it wasn't my intent to lecture, but i apologize for doing so anyway.
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Second reminder today...this thread is for 2020 primary news. If you want to deep-dive and hash out a particular issue with rural voting, racism, access to food or clean water, etc., then make another thread about that issue. Stop the back and forth in here.
Wonder if there is video or even audio of this interaction.....
https://twitter.com/tomwatson/status/1100201869585076226
https://twitter.com/tomwatson/status/1100201869585076226
I watched the Town Hall and he definitely wasn't yelling at her. He said a quote she used was out of context then answered her question.
But then again its Tom Watson, so I'll take whatever he says about Sanders with a grain of salt.
God yes, that too and it affects everything from a structural and institutional point. It even spreads propaganda on an educational level in already underfunded schools.
It looks like he tried to dodge, but his answer was really good so he shouldn't if that was his intention.
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"This person didn't abuse me" remains an ineffective response to claims that the person abused others
This woman is a sociopath. I think she's the least exciting and electable candidate in the race so far.
I also hate to harp on "optics" but it's also right out of the Kavanaugh playbook.
He and his followers are nuts. How on earth did they get that from what we all watched?
Anti-Bernie liberal twitter is truly insufferable.
All the replies are just variations on "didn't watch, but not surprised", and then you watch it:
and realize it's all smoke and mirrors. He dissed her and screamed at her? Jesus christ
Was just about to make a similar comment
It reeks of "1000 women signed a letter to vouch for kavanaughs character"
If that is just in reference to his televised answer, it's so disingenuous it doesn't merit serious consideration. And I say that as someone who considers Bernie to be his 4th or 5th choice.
I had to look for it... Is this the same incident? I can't even tell....
https://twitter.com/tommyxtopher/status/1100220027524005888
Strange description given anyone can review the footage for themselves... Maybe some people just perceive everything Bernie says as "screaming"?
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Nice to see "journalists" propagate actual fake news. Imagine reading that initial tweet from Tom Watson without watching the video.
Yes, so essentially he had no structure in place where he would even know about these incidents so he had no way to respond to them. Literally impossible for him to find out and thus take care of the incident at the time it happened. The fault was the structure. He fixed that structure.
So it wasn't something he could fix on the spot, like it was brought up to him and he dismissed it because he was busy. That's what the quote sounds like he was doing, which I believe is why he said it was out of context.
Notice how it comes from former Clinton staffers and democratic insiders. The vast majority of which are white and probably majority male.
He responded on the day, hours later, when that shit came out, reaching out to help and listen to those making any sort of accusations of the work conditions...
People need to try harder to burn this guy.
Hah. Right? The most self destructive Democrat clique tries to torpedo anyone else around them? No way! And even risked their own success? Sigh...Mild shock...
People need to try harder to burn this guy.
Hah. Right? The most self destructive Democrat clique tries to torpedo anyone else around them? No way! And even risked their own success? Sigh...Mild shock...
It was completely predictable the moment he actively contradicted RT/Telesur propaganda. You saw the same thing happen with AOC last week.
Let's be real, that particular section of the left comprises a few thousand people. They're electorally meaningless.
They're the fringe group that thinks the Russia investigation is all made-up, that Tulsi is a pacifist and their ideal candidate on foreign policy, and who coincidentally happen to be on the same page with the Far Right/Steve Bannon on a number of issues.
Thank god they're irrelevant.
Electorally, yes. In terms of shitting up political discourse online? They are everywhere. And that sphere of influence is much more real in Europe with the far left parties there.
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