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A lot of people have really entrenched mindsets on these things. See: anyone asking for a World of Warcraft 2. It's the same idea
yes, they see Steam as a service which is adding value to Windows, no harm to contribute to its success by releasing their game on it even at the expense of the 30% cut.
Yup. For a subscription model one wants to target an entire family and their tastes as well as give content for different age groups.
In the entertainment business...especially in these days of subscription services...content is King...this is all anyone needs to understand.
The whole "needing to make $7.5 billion back" reasoning is dumb anyways. It was literally just a mountain of cash sitting there doing nothing and they converted it into an asset. As long as Bethesda doesn't lose money then they're already more valuable than the cash stack was
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Disney Plus surpasses 100 million subscribers
Disney Plus’ success continues to grow.
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it's unbelievable we need to discuss such a thing, the value of exclusive content. And yet here we are because, apparently, MS cannot afford to have exclusive content on its subscription service.What exclusive content does to your subscription service
Disney Plus surpasses 100 million subscribers
Disney Plus’ success continues to grow.
i also think Valve itself has cooled down on trying to make Linux gaming a thing, and with Stadia also not exactly setting the world on fire, PC Gaming is Windows gaming for the foreseeable future.
Every PC Gamer is also therefore a Windows 10 user MS can tout and sell other services to
I think you're the one misguided here. Microsoft would have done a long term forecast for Gamepass, not a 2-3 year forecast. They'll be paying off the $7.5bn over a length of time, while aiming to grow gamepass subs past 50m.
There's a huge potential market in cloud streamed games to non console owners. They're gunning for that market. If they do get the cloud dominance they're pushing for, that's one big gravy train right there.
This is just what many people in this thread believe, not me.
Plus I see there's at least more than 60% chance that Xbox Game Pass subscription makes it way to Steam.
EA Origin subscription is already there.
EA Origin subscription is already there.
Them adding Star to international markets combined with the imminent price increase so buy a year in advance at current rates was genius.What exclusive content does to your subscription service
Disney Plus surpasses 100 million subscribers
Disney Plus’ success continues to grow.
I'm surprised it hasn't happened yet. Would be a huge opening for the PC side of Game Pass to catch up with the console side.
They are not leaving money on the table though if they can turn those lost sales into new customers in their ecosystem. If you don't put any pressure you won't reap the rewards, and having some loss short term is worth the long term investment.
the idea that they need to make back their investment in a year (or two, or five) is beyond ridiculous.
Yeah the whole company we are talking only about gamepass. They don't disclosure the numbers ou for the service.
That would be amazing. I would love to access my GPU games through Steam. The Windows app is ass.
This is exactly what Microsoft wants.
Some of you keep talking about sales sales sales. Microsoft has repeatedly said their number 1 goal is increasing Game Pass subscribers. Last I checked exclusive content helps push subscribers.
I'm not saying every game will be exclusive, but the idea that Microsoft needs to make these games multiplat because they need to make this money back soon & are leaving so much money on the table is a funny one.
And people are still looking at cloud streaming as phones and tablets. There will be Smart TV apps, maybe an Xbox streaming stick, heck even Xcloud streaming to older Xbox Ones.
When electric cars account for the majority of car sales, cloud streaming will not even be a barrier to this market (I cant actually prove this lol but I find it weird multiple people mentioning Internet access as an issue that will persist in the future given where we are with technology and countries like India and South Korea rapidly accelerating the 5G adoption curve)
Adding Bethesda as exclusive and adding them to game pass while still having the 3 year of gold into game pass Ultimate for 1$ is just as smart.
It wouldn't, as it wouldn't have third-party games - same as how EA Play on Steam (and console) doesn't have third-party games, but EA Play on Origin does.
Their investors are not videogames fans who wants to afford losses. They want results.
They'll make more money from gamepass subs than they will from selling Starfield on PlayStation 5
This is definitely true. But the question here is what drives more subscribers? Having this content on your subscription service and exclusive to you platforms or on your service but also available on other platforms? I think most would agree the former over the latter.What exclusive content does to your subscription service
Disney Plus surpasses 100 million subscribers
Disney Plus’ success continues to grow.
That's why this "some" verbiage is so confusing.
I jumped on the conversion when I only had a PS4 in fear that it would end abruptly lol. Did not get an Xbox until almost 7 months later, I assumed I would need for xCloud before that but the beta already gave you a ton of games
Yes it's not an individual, despite how it seems written, I didn't wanted to say they were in an urgency.
Here we are having the same discussion when it had happened, but the comparative goal doesn't change anything because GPU is more cash over Gold. Again I wasn't talking about raw dollars but a steady flow for the division over years.
Does this even matter if they have more than enough money as a whole company to keep themselves afloat?
I agree that the reasoning in many ways about making 7.5B back has been quite simplistic on this forum, but in itself it's still very much true. MS or anyone else would never make an acquisition if they didn't think it will turn a profit. Zeni wasn't bought because it's a valuable company to just own. There probably isn't anyone else than MS who would be willing to buy them for 7.5B right now, and who's to say there'll be in the future. Zeni definitely isn't the best asset to just own if it's not making any money. Market value isn't some fixed sum and in no way is only determined by whether Zenimax "loses money", whatever that means.
It was bought to turn an acquisition into a profit. That mountain of cash has hundreds of other uses, whether it's paid as dividends or invested in some other business sector of MS. Saying that there was just a mountain of cash with no other use is just very naive.
That's completely false though. MS has long term plans like any company, they don't need to guarantee shareholders a return on their 7.5 billion investment immediately, and that you can think that to push your narrative is beyond me. How would that make sense when they spent over 26 billion for linked in. I somehow doubt they made that money back on their first year.
Indeed exclusive content has intense value for a subscription service so MS no doubt wants to acquire said I.P loaded pubs to expand on that.
Content is indeed key for the subscription wars. It always has been and always will be.
Content is indeed key for the subscription wars. It always has been and always will be.
They disclose the numbers they feel need disclosing. This is like Costco needing to tell you how many cars use their pumps each day and whether or not they need to raise the prices of fuel for you to be in your safe place that they will be ok.
If you want to know, last April they had 10 million subscribers. In September it grew 50% to 15 million. January that number rose to 18 million and Xbox Live passed the 100 million mark.
This all seems to lead in one direction and that is without many big titles. Wait until the games really start flowing.
wtf is this? Investors have gotten results since Satya Nadella took over. Why would they doubt Nadella and Xbox management suddenly?
Also, why would MS investors be more different than those investing in like Uber or Spotify? These companies do not really rake in profits but somehow investors keeps giving them time and even through money at them.
But Microsoft investors will suddenly make a big fuss about not generating profit from Bethesda? Btw, which timeframes are Microsoft operating in? Is it short term? Long term? Etc
I think you should just leave the investor/financial comments out of the discussion as you don't seem prepared to engage in them.
So, following up on my plan
Wow, I can't believe u idiots thought there would be any clarification of games all being exclusive or not exlcusive. Microsoft was so totally unambiguous that they'll be deciding things on a case by case basis.
Wow, I can't believe u idiots thought there would be any clarification of games all being exclusive or not exlcusive. Microsoft was so totally unambiguous that they'll be deciding things on a case by case basis.
Yea, I'm sure they investors want to continue to see an increase in subscriber growth. Making their first-party multiplat and available on platforms that don't support Game Pass would harm potential subscriber count.
Down the line definitely possible. Obsidian has multiple projects in the works right now though. Maybe after Outer Worlds 2 they can tackle Fallout.
Their investors are wanting to look for growth and eventually profitability, if making upfront losses in the short term helps grow Game Pass to eventually make breakeven and gain market share then that's what MS investors will sacrifice. MS has done this with Azure and Office 365, it's not something that investors are taken by surprise by.
Sony investors and MS investors are very different and have different expectations.
So what they have been doing now with the focus on cloud and subscriptions?
MS averaging 15 billion in net profit every quarter isn't making investors happy? Lol.
