‘Songbirds & Snakes’ Reigns Supreme Over Thanksgiving Stretch With $42M 5-day; ‘Napoleon’ Steps On Disney’s ‘Wish’ With $32M+ — Box Office
Box Office: 'Wish' Eyes $40M-$45M 5-day, 'Napoleon' $28M-$32M Over Thanksgiving
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that's not good for wish is it‘Songbirds & Snakes’ Reigns Supreme Over Thanksgiving Stretch With $42M 5-day; ‘Napoleon’ Steps On Disney’s ‘Wish’ With $32M+ — Box Office
Box Office: 'Wish' Eyes $40M-$45M 5-day, 'Napoleon' $28M-$32M Over Thanksgiving
it has a 200m budget
even with great legs that's a long shot
Wish is kind of collapsing based on these early numbers. Expectations were at least in the $50m range.
And yeah, the A- Cinemascore ain't great.
And yeah, the A- Cinemascore ain't great.
Hence why Disney is pivoting to Frozen and Zootopia sequels.
Their original animated films have been doing terribly compared to pre-pandemic. Even Encanto did mediocre numbers and only blew up when it hit streaming.
View: https://twitter.com/BORReport/status/1727714350889390206
Yeah Hunger Games is gonna win the Thanksgiving week
Man if all of Disney's output from now on out are just pointless sequels....ugh dark timeline.
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it's had real strong weekdays and a long empty runway ahead of it.
I heard people saying Wish just isn't that good, but here it will only launch in January (probably after Disney+ lol). Why they keep doing this?
Basically, it's the direct to video thing all over again.
I remember didn't Walt have a specific "No sequels" rule for animated canon?
It seems like it's going to be Wish vs The Hunger Games this weekend... The sing off between Maria and Anita again, as both Rachel Zegler and Ariana DeBose starred in the West Side Story remake. Haven't seen Wish, but Rachel's singing was incredible in THG.
47% RT and 82% audience score is just rough. That's like 12 points down the big Illumination movie of the year, lol.
For the record that ending going around is fake.
I liked Wish well enough but I do feel like this anniversary movie would have been a great opportunity to do that Disney Princess team up movie everyone is begging for. Wish already plays it cutesy with references, just dive head in.
For real? I was also spoiled by it and was seeing it this Sunday, lol.
If you're going expecting some wacky hilarious ending then yes cancel your ticket. But it's an enjoyable movie! Great songs, go see it. This really is a remarkable shift in moviegoing, whether it's the films themselves or the audience that's degrading I'm not sure, but we're in for a real interesting few years.
The season 4 of Once Upon a Time that had Frozen were able to adapt the original Snow Queen story into it. As has Ingrid, Elsa and Anna's aunt, (who is also Emma's adoptive mother) as the Snow Queen of the tale and also as having the Mirror that has fragments that corrupt people when it enters other people's hearts.
And Ingrid's death scene is great.
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ii_eHipIaBc
Parents straight up are not taking their kids to movies anymore unless it's an event movie, which for kids movies is basically locked to just remakes/sequels of already massive hits and certain adaptations like Mario. And most adults continue to be dismissive of animation unless it's directly tied to their own nostalgia. Post-COVID/streaming, it really feels like original animation is dead in the domestic theatrical space.
nah it's not dead. The problem is more than the studios are having trouble putting out original movies of good quality.
Anyway, i'll laugh when Migration, a completely original animated movie, gets a freaking 600 million BO gross after it releases next month.
can someone explain why this post is deserving of a permanent ban?
Yeah I don't get it. I will watch Wonka solely for Chalamet, it's not a made-up concept by the user
If I had to guess mostly because they've posted the same thing over and over in every thread adjacent to The Marvels and have been vaguely antagonising to other users
Really happy for THG, it was really good and I've always had a soft spot for the films, the cast was brilliant
In terms of Disney, they've had a really rough two years, tomorrow is Encanto's two year anniversary and it's honestly the last really good film they've made (Elemental and Turning Red were okay but nothing spectacular). We went from having Soul, Luca, and Encanto in a 12 month period, to having Dial of Destiny, Haunted Mansion, Wish, Strange World, Pinnochio, and that Peter Pan film... If you include Marvel in this then GOTG3 and No Way Home are the only good films in the last two years as well and alongside those we've had some of the worst superhero films ever
Was already on the fence about seeing Wish because the trailers were awful and the villain song they released was so bad, and yesterday I saw that the songwriters backgrounds are purely in pop music (Demi Lovato, Selena Gomez, etc) and it just completely killed any chances of me seeing it, no idea who decided that was a good idea for a film that was meant to highlight the 100 year celebration
In terms of Disney, they've had a really rough two years, tomorrow is Encanto's two year anniversary and it's honestly the last really good film they've made (Elemental and Turning Red were okay but nothing spectacular). We went from having Soul, Luca, and Encanto in a 12 month period, to having Dial of Destiny, Haunted Mansion, Wish, Strange World, Pinnochio, and that Peter Pan film... If you include Marvel in this then GOTG3 and No Way Home are the only good films in the last two years as well and alongside those we've had some of the worst superhero films ever
Was already on the fence about seeing Wish because the trailers were awful and the villain song they released was so bad, and yesterday I saw that the songwriters backgrounds are purely in pop music (Demi Lovato, Selena Gomez, etc) and it just completely killed any chances of me seeing it, no idea who decided that was a good idea for a film that was meant to highlight the 100 year celebration
Blaming "girlbosses" and attire(because heaven forbid female superheroes wear their comic accurate costumes) is pretty sus because it's something chuds bring up a lot when it comes to attacking female lead films.
seems weird to assume a woman with thousands of posts is a chud and troll account and immediately permanently ban her
Encanto was well-received by critics and audiences and it still didn't do big numbers theatrically; and that film's commercial performance remains the height of original animated features post-COVID.
Chronological OW (original features highlighted in bold and italics):
2020:
[PX] Onward: $39.1M
[DW] The Croods: A New Age: $9.7M
2021:
[WD] Raya and the Last Dragon*: $8.5M
[DW] Spirit Untamed: $6.3M
[DW] The Boss Baby: Family Business*: $17.3M
Paw Patrol: The Movie*: $13M
The Addams Family 2: $17.3M
Ron's Gone Wrong: $7.3M
[WD] Encanto: $40.6M [5-day (Thanksgiving)]
[IL] Sing 2: $22.3M [3-day] / $41M [5-day (Christmas)]
2022:
[DW] The Bad Guys: $24M
The Bob's Burgers Movie: $12.4M [3-day] / $14.8M [4-day (Memorial Day)]
[PX] Lightyear: $50.6M
[IL] Minions: The Rise of Gru: $107M [3-day] / $123.1M [4-day (Independence Day))]
Paws of Fury: The Legend of Hank: $6.3M
DC: League of Super Pets: $23M
[WD] Strange World: $11.9M [3-day] / $18.6M [5-day (Thanksgiving)]
[DW] Puss in Boots: The Last Wish: $12.4M [3-day] / $26.2M [6-day (Christmas)]
2023:
[IL] The Super Mario Bros. Movie: $146M [3-day] / $204.6M [5-day (Easter)]
Spider-Man: Across the Spider-Verse: $120M
[PX] Elemental: $29.5M
[DW]: Ruby Gillman: Teenage Kraken: $5.5M
Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles: Mutant Mayhem: $28M [3-day] / $43M [5-day]
Paw Patrol: The Mighty Movie: $22.8M
[DW]: Trolls Band Together: $30.6M
[WD] - Walt Disney Animation Studios, [PX] - Pixar, [DW] - DreamWorks, [IL] - Illumination
*Film was simultaneously released on streaming on opening day; in Raya/Last Dragon's case, it was released as a "Premiere Access" feature that required added fees to watch
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Highest to lowest, 3-day wknds. (excl. Spider-Verse, Mario, and Minions; original features highlighted in bold and italics):
Lightyear ($50M+)
Encanto ($40M+)
Onward
Trolls/Together ($30M+)
Elemental
Turtles: Mutant Mayhem
<<Wish ($24M-$27M?)>>
Bad Guys
DC Pets
Paw Patrol/Mighty
Sing 2 ($20M+)
Addams 2 [Oct 2021]
Boss Baby [July 2021]
Paw Patrol
Puss in Boots
Bob's Burgers
Strange World ($10M)
Croods/New Age
Raya/Last Dragon
Ron's/Wrong
Paws of Fury [2022]
Spirit Untamed [2021]
Ruby Gillman
For what it's worth, I do think Encanto was hamstrung by plain bad luck in terms of timing/release: Sony released NWH a few weeks later and people returned to theaters in droves to see that. Illumination's Sing 2 was released afterwards, and that film not only ended up outgrossing Encanto, it ended up being the highest-grossing animated feature of 2021. I also wouldn't be surprised if Encanto was additionally a victim of Disney conditioning audiences to wait for streaming for their animated films with their Pixar Disney+ trilogy (Luca, Soul, Turning Red). And speaking of which--it was only after the film was released on Disney+, after it languished in its theatrical run; that Encanto was accepted by a large audience, thanks to positive word-of-mouth.
All that told, I definitely would not be surprised if Migration easily clears the competition to have the best OW/commercial run for an original animated film post-COVID. Illumination is already already three-for-three with post-COVID box office hits across Sing 2, Minions 2, and Mario.
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Perhaps the bluntness or repetition? MCU stuff being oddly vacant of romance and sexuality has been a super common criticism for the last 10 years. And comic stuff not doing very well at attracting a more diverse audience that's been a thing since publishers actively started rejecting comics that appealed to and were marketed to girls and women due to either the comic book code or sexism way back in the 50s and got worse as they wanted to appeal to hardcore collectors later.
I can only assume that Iron Man stole Speed Racer's lunch that year because I rewatched it recently and it still rulesIf only people hadn't rejected Speed Racer, then we'd leave in a technicolor world
Yup
Also the reality is streaming services are dirt fucking cheap compared to going out and buying tickets + snacks for you and your two kids. Plus it costs gas. Plus your kids can't sit still or shut up in the theatre. Plus they gotta pee halfway through and you can't pause the movie. I think the kids demo is probably getting hit the hardest by this new era of streaming.
The Authority absolutely needs to be a big spectacle — bringing epic "widescreen" action was the core aesthetic pitch of the Ellis/Hitch comics in the first place.
I don't get it either. I don't see anything egregious in their post history.
Agreed on the bolded.
Personally, I think it's a price issue. With ticket prices being $12 or more per person, it's just so expensive for a family to go to the theater. Lot easier to turn on Netflix or Disney+ and have the kids watch that.
Yeah, the price difference is the real killer. Not to mention kids are more than happy watching youtube for their after school entertainment.
I can't imagine movie ticket prices will ever go down, but... they really should at this point. the value proposition of a month of streaming vs movie tickets for one single screening of one movie is insane.
And tickets aren't even the most expensive. We went in 5 this week and god the popcorn prices....
That will be somewhat mitigated as streaming prices rise during continued consolidation and alignment of prices versus the cost of producing, but it's obviously not going to go away. Now, what might change is if the volume and expense of what is being produced for streaming gets noticeably scaled back as part of the same process.
But I don't really think there's much reason to think that cutting ticket prices would meaningfully increase theatregoing enough to offset the lost revenues.
Poor Things and Boy and the Heron will probably do well.
Relative to budgets sure, I guess I'm just looking for a big breakout.
Well, Aquaman 2 and MIgration should get initial predictions by outlets soon. It's Christmas Weekend though so you should keep your eye more on long range over opening weekend as the Christmas Weekend has always been a slow weekend for business. Though I already feel whatever Aquaman is going to make there's going to be a lot of posts about it anyway.
Well, Napoleon is pretty famous in Europe for shaping the continent in early 19th century. For better or worse.
I've seen history channels making videos about Napoleon to capitalize on the movie's release.
Just for fun, I looked up how much it costs to watch Wish for a single parent with two kids at my closest movie theatre.
1 Adult Ticket = $16.50
2 Kids Tickets = $23.00
3 Regular Popcorn = $24.75
3 Regular Drinks = $18.00
TOTAL = $82.25 BEFORE TAXES for one movie
vs
Netflix 1080p plan = $16.49 for a whole fucking month of infinite content
+ eat/drink whatever is around the house
i mean fuck
1 Adult Ticket = $16.50
2 Kids Tickets = $23.00
3 Regular Popcorn = $24.75
3 Regular Drinks = $18.00
TOTAL = $82.25 BEFORE TAXES for one movie
vs
Netflix 1080p plan = $16.49 for a whole fucking month of infinite content
+ eat/drink whatever is around the house
i mean fuck
Why do people always include popcorn and drinks in their movie theatre cost estimates? No one's buying that shit as if it's mandatory. Or does everyone else do that and my family/life experience of almost never using the concession stand is somehow an outlier?
I don't buy going by myself, with family it's part of the experience though
If you go out with your family somebody is going to want concessions
Whenever I see kids coming into the theatre, they're almost always dropping a shit load of popcorn on the way in. I can also say it's my personal experience, and the experience of relatives in my family with young kids. Popcorn and drink is a part of the night out.
Even still, erase the food and drink, and you're still looking at $39.50 just in tickets for a movie vs $16.49 for a month of netflix.
Ah well, that was the most interesting thing I've seen about it lol.
Big time outlier. Most people aren't sitting through a film without at least a drink or snack, especially young kids