So I guess people who have been talking about superhero fatigue for the last 15 years or so are finally correct.
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Wkd Box Office • 11/17-19/23 • A Ballad of Songs, Trolls, and Thanks (The Marvels sub-$10M)
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so going forward maybe don't announce a new cinematic universe is on the way, rendering the current one useless, when you still have four fucking movies to release in theatres?
The casual movie going audience doesn't have a single clue about any of this
They've run into a perfect storm of that, super hero fatigue and just an awful year all around for tired franchise films.
We've had this discussion in these threads a lot: the average moviegoer doesn't give a shit about that. People going to or not going to Aquaman 2 are not making the decision based on where and whether the movie fits into past and future continuity universes. The average person is not a nerd on an internet forum reading daily about the Superman casting.
If true, then BOY good fucking luck to swamp thing and the authority because in no universe do those hold more appeal than the flash or aquaman.
Word of mouth will be the salvation or doom of these films. Flash and Aquaman movies have 6 fans each
I mean, this is what people said about Iron Man before it came out. nobody knows that stupid character, they're never going to go a movie about him.
Whether a movie does well is not a pure direct function of how well people know the existing character/IP it's based on going in. has a lot more to do with marketing, casting, WOM, yadda yadda
I would be surprised if any of the new DC stuff did particularly well.
Ok but things have changed a bit since iron man came out.
If James Gunn makes the best Superman movie in decades (no pressure) I can see the other stuff doing well. Not billions, but better than whatever they are doing right now lol
I can't find any business case why they would make a movie of The Authority and Swamp Thing to begin with, but I think we don't know anything about them yet that just maybe they're just cool movies instead of just being the next story in DC universe. But yea if I was DC I'd just greenlight a Wayne Family Adventures animated movie instead of these stuff.
yeah back then iron man was like super hero movie #18
the authority will be approximately super hero movie #194 after a 15 year golden age of superhero movies
not saying it's a surefire fail, but I think it will be really difficult.
I'm not even disagreeing with the idea that the Gunn DCU films will perform badly, I'm just saying "it will perform badly because people don't know who Swamp Thing and The Authority are" isn't a surefire argument.
I guarantee he's gonna deliver some random character I've never heard of before and by the end of the movie I'm gonna be ride or die for them.
Me before GotG: Rocket Raccoon? This movie is gonna be so stupid.
Me after GotG: I'd take a bullet for Rocket
Those two have different tone and approach than Flash and Aquaman.
Swamp Thing can work as a horror movie which will have its own tone and appeal. Authority is more anti heroes like The Boys which have been successful (or Suicide Squad/GOTG).
Flash and Aquaman are more traditional forms of super hero characters and stories.
It's a matter of quality and writing plus word of mouth and controlled budgets. It's no longer sufficient that you can put Superman in front of your movie and expect it do billions.
We're gonna have TWO sequels in one year that bomb after their predecessors grossed a billion.
Goddamn...
Is ANY Movie poised to do well over the holiday season? All these early presale numbers I'm seeing look miserable.
Maybe Paul King will deliver something decent with Wonka.
Almost everything else looks like garbage.
Let me ask you one thing: which CBMs in the past 10 years have looked good as an actual movie? Blockbusters aren't exactly known for filmmaking craftsmanship historically. People are getting tired of the formula now. What felt fresh at first isn't fresh anymore. At least that's what I think.
Eh, I think interest in the new Superman will be high but overall eh? I don't suspect Gunn to pull off a miracle and get Gen Z on board with comics. You then have generation alpha who are coming up now but and will be exiting high school in 5 years who may not even care at all. Gunn is also getting up there in age. Dude could retire before much of the DCU gets off the ground in the next decade.
There just doesn't seem to be any hunger from younger folks for these movies. Mid 30s millenials? Sure. But the kids got tiktok, YouTubers, twitch, etc. They don't care about captain america like their parents do.
Migration will probably do well cause Illumination seem to never fail
Historically? With blockbuster directors like Spielberg, Ridley Scott, James Cameron, Zemeckis, McTiernan and whatnot? Nah buddy, blockbuster filmmaking used to be in a good spot once. Now it's all muddled by an avalanche of comic book sludge, intense producer meddling and general incompetence.
The Batman has style in spades for sure, so the technical aspects are good, but I was kind of let down by the script. It was advertised as a detective noir in the vein of The Long Halloween and personally it didn't meet those expectations. It doesn't have a last act CGI soup at least, so it has that going for it.
I just don't think any of the CBMs from the renaissance period will come close to blockbuster classics like The Godfather, 80s Indiana Jones, Back to the Future, Terminator, The Lord of the Rings etc. The closest is The Dark Knight. At least according to IMDB. The next CBM is Across the Spider-verse at 26 and then Infinity War at 63.
It doesn't say everything, but I think for a significant number of moviegoing audiences, CBMs are disposable entertainment first and foremost. Even anime seems to have a better reputation at this point, especially for younger audiences, and that's wild.
Not true at all. We just had two examples last year with Avatar 2 and Top Gun Maverick. Problem with most modern blockbusters is the studio controls and shapes the movie. For the most part filmmakers are there to get it made on budget and time.
My point is the latter has become more and more the norm in the past decades. It's a worrying trend. Perhaps lower budgets will give back more control to the filmmakers instead of the producers.
I've always been curious why hot men are such a draw for women to see a movie. As a straight man a hot woman in a movie makes 0 impact on my interest in it, because most movies have hot women in them anyway. Its an interesting difference. Why not just google shirtless chris hemsworth? Lol
This year we had The Creator which actually looks amazing visually, uses a lot of CG shots and still came at only an 80 million dollar budget. Script/pacing issues aside, you definitely do not need 200 million to make good looking movies. It's also an original IP movie.
Sadly this was yet another movie that bombed hard this year.
Sadly this was yet another movie that bombed hard this year.
Depends on the budget and the creatives in charge really, doesn't it? Obviously it's incredibly dumb to do a $200m soulless studio driven Authority film. But keep the budget down and put some great talent behind the pen and camera and you could have something to build upon. Swamp Thing too. Lower budget body horror film. The worst thing that's happened to comic books movies is studios thinking they all need to be 200-300 million budget blockbusters in the same genre. There should be some variety, hopefully DC realise this after Joker and The Batman.
That's cause The Creator was made by a former VFX artist.
You know, the people Marvel treats like shit.
I mean to saty those films don't look good as far as marketing goes lol
All of them, with the exception of Flash to an extent, had poor trailers that had more than likely had the GA rolling their eyes
To your question though, there have been plenty. Just this year we have Guardians and Spiderverse, and if look to recent years, The Batman and Snyder's films.
I saw Napoleon last night and tickets at the Alamo Draft House were only $7. Is that typical? I don't get out to very many movies these days.
