This thread makes me afraid for 2021. This is going to be much worse than 2020.
Nope. I'm gonna wait until most of the world is vaccinated and new infections plummet. Wouldn't really wanna go anywhere until places have a chance to recover some, anyways.
This thread makes me afraid for 2021. This is going to be much worse than 2020.
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Stop acting like this is fact. The answer is we don't know if it impacts spread but judging by history and preliminary evidence we've gotten from Oxford's testing on this subject it's more likely you wouldn't be a vector for COVID spread when you do get the shot.You absolutely should not and our messaging HAS to be better on this.
When you get the vaccine, it reduces your symptoms and prevents the virus from impacting you. It does NOT prevent you from spreading it. Until we reach max vaccinations, you still need to wear a mask, social distance, etc, regardless if you have the vaccine or not.
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I'm not CherryWoodFuton, but I think the confusion may be that you said you wouldn't travel because the vaccine isn't 100% effective. As no vaccine is ever likely to be 100% effective, does this mean you're not going to travel ever again???
Why would I travel while there is a chance to spread a virus??
Just because there is a high chance I am imune??
I don't want the guilt of killing someone because of any reason much less I wanted to travel to see my family.
I don't get your doubts. Am I supposed to say fuck others and just travel around because I am imune?
Did you read my post? I literally said we don't know if it's fact yet, but until that data is there, we need to treat it this way. We can't be like "well it's not proven but I've got the vaccine so back to normal!"Stop acting like this is fact. The answer is we don't know if it impacts spread but judging by history and preliminary evidence we've gotten from Oxford's testing on this subject it's more likely you wouldn't be a vector for COVID spread when you do get the shot.
I agree with pretty much everything in your post - that people need to keep up the restrictions and protocols even when they've been vaccinated until everyone's been vaccinated / we know more - but to be fair, you actually said:Did you read my post? I literally said we don't know if it's fact yet, but until that data is there, we need to treat it this way. We can't be like "well it's not proven but I've got the vaccine so back to normal!"
When you get the vaccine, it reduces your symptoms and prevents the virus from impacting you. It does NOT prevent you from spreading it.
By the time I finally get my shot(s) it probably would be proven it affects spread anyway. Even if the data isn't quite there there will probably still be tens or even a hundred million vaccinated, lower cases, and most likely a lot less deaths. I'm probably still not gonna be traveling mainly because there wouldn't be a plan but there's a decent chance that even as early as this summer it's likely still safe to travel even with some precautionsDid you read my post? I literally said we don't know if it's fact yet, but until that data is there, we need to treat it this way. We can't be like "well it's not proven but I've got the vaccine so back to normal!"
Fair, I hit submit too early and I did edit my post immediately adding that it needs to be proved, but until it is we need to treat it as factI agree with pretty much everything in your post - that people need to keep up the restrictions and protocols even when they've been vaccinated until everyone's been vaccinated / we know more - but to be fair, you actually said:
Doesn't the pull-quote contain the more in-depth quote you're after?
'Because even as vaccines start protecting the most vulnerable, we are not going to achieve any level of population immunity, or herd immunity in 2021 and even if it happens in a couple of pockets in a few countries, it's not going to protect people across the world.'
Once we know that vaccinated people don't spread the disease (presuming that is the case). But not before.
I'm in the same boat. When my gf and I can get the vaccine we try to see each other at least once again (but only if it is safe and allowed to do).I'm in a long distance relationship. I haven't seen my gf in over a year now. Once her and I have it, as well as those we see regularly/things calm down a bit, yes. Maybe it's still not the wisest thing to do then, but my heart hurts.
Once we know that vaccinated people don't spread the disease (presuming that is the case). But not before.
I'm reading more about "sterilizing immunity" (the ability of a vaccine to stop infection/transmission and not just disease), and apparently, most vaccines do not provide sterilizing immunity. Add that to the fact that not everyone is going to voluntarily get vaccinated. So what's the alternative? Never travel for the rest of your life? I don't think so.
If there isn't a clear third wave, I'm sure there will be international travel in Europe already by summer. The Mediterranean countries can't afford to miss another tourist season.Yep, but also depends on the state of the world. I highly doubt there will be open recreational international travel until 2022.