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Honestly this sounds right.
This is disgusting victim blaming. This rhetoric is what is called the 'White man's burden'. The idea that all these millions of young men in these countries where dangerous, ignorant, violent and deserving of death. This is the same argument that white cops in the US use to gun down black people - violent and dangerous. It's the same type of bigotry white people display towards black men.
You're zooming in too closely in your analysis here. Maybe I should have spoken more broadly, but the connection goes beyond just drone bombs. Claims of shitposting are even sillier when thinking about the bolded quote.
Did I say he was a psychopath? Psychopathy is just a cultural signifier, it has no real meaning in terms of actually judging human behavior. You're taking issue with something I never claimed nor do I believe. It isn't necessary for him to be 'psychopathic' for him to make decisions that took thousands of innocent lives. And there is nothing abstract about this either; those bombs were dropped on real people, their deaths and the ramifications of those deaths and all the thousands injured but not killed by these strikes are not abstract concepts, they are real, living, breathing human beings who had their lives destroyed or fundamentally altered because a man with too much power hundreds of thousands of miles away decided it was politically necessary for them or their family or friends to die.
I'm not really sure where you're going with this. Cause I don't care if Obama was cackling or not. I do know that he was largely indifferent, and defensive every time it came up. Homelander parallels there, along with Vought in general.
Also, that's a lie that Obama was reluctant to sign off on any of them. The very first drone strike he did was 3 days after his inauguration. Guess how that first drone strike ended up?
Now over time he might have been was largely hands off and aloof of his murder program, but that is an incredibly even more fucked up problem. Dubya was mocked for excuses like that, and like Dubya, buck stops with him anyways.
And if they were spending months and months on confirming all strikes, then they utterly failed with all the that time given.
Whistleblower releases documents into U.S. military's drone program
For several years human rights groups have claimed that U.S. drone attacks have killed more civilians abroad than their intended targets. The Intercept published highly classified information Thursday that provided evidence, among other findings, that nearly 90 percent of people killed in drone...
Like I'm arguing in good faith here too. And Obama did a lot of evil shit. Doesn't need to be cackling to be evil. I'm not the person you should be convincing that Obama was actually a swell guy who tried to avoid needless murder, go ask the victims about it and how their days were going before hellfire rained down on them.
As John Oliver put it back in 2014: "We've made children fear the skies".
And instead of answering for the cover-ups, the murders, extrajudicial murders, foreign interference, tampering, helping turn a country into the worst humanitarian disaster in the world, further destabilizing regions, and a bunch of other shit that I know has been talked about before - we regular joes have to sit through puff piece after puff piece for a man as he continues to lie to the day about why he dropped bombs on all these brown kids?
If people want to like Obama, fine. I'm not arguing that, I'm arguing the man himself is bad, real bad. And he'd definitely be going to The Bad Place for a few Bearimy cycles. That's all.
"The Machine" stops being an excuse when you become the one who is driving it. Obama could have ceased drone strikes. He could've still done the drone strikes but only in areas where the US was occupied militarily. He could've done the drone strikes and not obfuscated the number of civilian casualties but instead owned up to the numbers of dead innocents. He did none of those things. That's deserving of criticism.
Alright, but this is just one of many ways in which Obama behaved in an ethically and morally dubious manner. I really do not understand idolizing the man after looking at the results of his presidency, when examining his actions specifically.
I should clarify that when I said the connection goes broader, I mean the broader connection between the show and Obama as opposed to the specific lens of U.S. imperialism. I'm not saying that's the show's main thesis, I'm mainly trying to illustrate how absurd some of the responses to this thread are.
Homelander = Obama on its own is a high school level media studies/english essay take, but it's a valid interpretation all the same. The point is, Obama should not be excluded from the critiques of power The Boys is interested in.
No. This is what Liberals, Centrists, and Conservatives want you to think. I used to think this as well. The U.S. war machine isn't inevitable; it's just that we've never had anyone in office willing to fully oppose it. Obama was a centrist. So of course he frames himself as having no other option than to drone a bunch of brown people.
This is how every thread that mentions Obama turns out. Pages upon pages of people shitting all over him for the drone program, when everyone was real silent about the Trump Administration ramping up the program and doing more strikes in 2 years than Obama did in 8. The established canon on Era is that it's cool to shit all over Obama—call him a war criminal, compare him to a Nazi, allude to him being a psychopath, you name it.
It's not about adding to the conversation, the derailing is the point.
I'm not going to feel bad for a war criminal who hurt my people because he was sandwiched between two worse war criminals.
Well go ahead and start a post on Trump's favorite TV shows and we will see how that goes....
He only watches Fox News, OAN, and Newsmax. I'd rather have lasers shot into my eyes than watch that garbage. Man hasn't read a real book in ages and probably doesn't even listen to music. He's a truly joyless individual.
Do you use this same defence for all politicians or does this only apply to American ones?
The Republicans didn't force him to commit war crimes on foreign nations. This whole victimisation of Obama really gets on my nerves, like there is no empathy for the people who suffered under his administration.
The show is excellent because it simultaneously works as a standalone series but also ties into the original graphic novel very well.
The deflection to "but what about Bush/Trump" that happens in these discussions is always hilarious.
Is Biden going to stop the drones?
