LGHT_TRSN

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Oct 25, 2017
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Imagine if a transcript was released that showed Obama asking Germany or one of our allies for dirt on Romney before the 2012 election. Forget quid pro quo. Just imagine if that was released and how the GOP would've responded to that news.

We need to stop normalizing clearly criminal behavior because Trump is a fucking moron and has successfully shifted what we consider to be proper accountability. Just stop it.
 

Vire

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Oct 27, 2017
5,591
Wallstreet is up because they think that there's going to be a China trade deal soon (They're likely wrong like the other dozen times).
So incredibly wrong.

Stocks plummeted yesterday afternoon after the inquiry report. Then after the "transcript" was released, back up 150 points.

There is no news about a China deal.
 
Jun 20, 2019
2,638
This seems more damaging to Biden than Trump.
Lots of people don't seem to understand using the diplomatic relationships between the US and other nations as a tool to dig up dirt on individual citizens, even citizens that are political opponents, is not normal. It isn't typical. It isn't even remotely close to ethical. It's not even slightly meeting the standard of Presidential duties and responsibilities. It's so far beyond the horizon of what is on-bounds for the so-called dignity of the office that it's literally the stuff of fiction, when writers want to portray corruption and abuse of power they often choose to describe a crooked politician bending the apparatus of state to damage political opponents. This is literally the base-mode concept of political corruption in popular imagination.

If you're normalizing this I have to think you're either new born on the earth, deeply cynical to the point of not being able to do anything but chicken-little in response to all incoming information, or concern trolling.
 
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Finalrush

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Dec 7, 2017
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So incredibly wrong.

Stocks plummeted yesterday afternoon after the inquiry report. Then after the "transcript" was released, back up 150 points.

There is no news about a China deal.
Why exactly do you think an insanely damaging collection of notes released by the Whitehouse itself would directly lead to a bump in the stock market?
 

Steel

The Fallen
Oct 25, 2017
18,220
So incredibly wrong.

Stocks plummeted yesterday afternoon after the inquiry report. Then after the "transcript" was released, back up 150 points.

There is no news about a China deal.
Stocks rose on Wednesday after President Donald Trump said a U.S.-China trade deal could arrive sooner than expected. Investors also pored through a rough transcript of Trump's call with the Ukrainian president from earlier this year.

Am I still incredibly wrong? The market's dumb anyway, the fact that it has eternally been optimistic about a trade deal with evidence to the contrary is proof of it.
 

Gpsych

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May 20, 2019
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So incredibly wrong.

Stocks plummeted yesterday afternoon after the inquiry report. Then after the "transcript" was released, back up 150 points.

There is no news about a China deal.

Dude. The headline on CNBC's home page is literally. "Dow jumps 150 points after Trump says a China deal could come soon"
 
Oct 25, 2017
6,969
So incredibly wrong.

Stocks plummeted yesterday afternoon after the inquiry report. Then after the "transcript" was released, back up 150 points.

There is no news about a China deal.

Anything coming from this is months down the road. I don't really see why investors would care. If anything, Trump will pull out all the stops to try and make this go away. Good for business.
 

rjinaz

Avenger
Oct 25, 2017
28,494
Phoenix
So incredibly wrong.

Stocks plummeted yesterday afternoon after the inquiry report. Then after the "transcript" was released, back up 150 points.

There is no news about a China deal.
Hell maybe they are glad that it means trouble for Trump and sanity will be restored to the market. Or maybe it's not related at all. Who knows? But if investors think this is good for Trump, they aren't paying attention.
 

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Oct 27, 2017
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Tori Q. Symonds is having a terrible, horrible, no good, very bad day.
 

Buckle

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Oct 27, 2017
41,367
Can't wait to see how he Mr. Magoos his way out of this one once again with party over country and spineless politicians.

What an amazingly dumb fucking time in American politics when we just have to take this idiot's shit over and over again when he can't step two feet without disgracing us. And somehow he's still going to be a threat in the election next year.

Fucking hell. Get us off this crazy train.
 

Stinkles

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Oct 25, 2017
20,459
Yeah stop replying to someone who has a legitimate question. Fuck me for not being as smart as you, ass.

Also, did respond with very helpful replies.


The dog pile isn't your fault but you should know that the gaslighting trolls do on purpose uses the exact same phrasing and method - a sort of "so what" rhetorical moving of the goalposts.

So the folks dog piling on you are doing so because you unintentionally used a very common rhetorical device employed by trolls. It's unfortunate but that's where we're at these days.

As you say not everyone follows this stuff or understands the law or geopolitics but to answer your original question :

It's bad because he starts by connecting arms sales to a favor he's going to ask - in plain English, then connects already approved funding to the favor - then asks for the leader of an ally and shared enemy of Russia to investigate a political rival not only based on hearsay and total fiction -including Trump's own invented accusations - but on internal Ukraine matters that have already been investigated and found to have no merit. Further he tasks his own PERSONAL lawyer - a man with no official government position and a naked crook - to help Ukraine either find or invent dirt on a political rival AND look into a server that may contain evidence of Trump's crimes per the Mueller investigation.

The quid pro quo is almost directly stated even in this sterilized and redacted summary - again not even a full transcript. AND he's having his justice department illegally suppress the whistleblower report AND shared it with non authorized persons in massive violations of law and national security.

It's seismic. And the president and Giuliani already admitted it verbally.
 

Vire

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Oct 27, 2017
5,591
Why exactly do you think an insanely damaging collection of notes released by the Whitehouse itself would directly lead to a bump in the stock market?
Literally on the front page of CNBC.com right now lol. Didn't even see it till just now. Just another nothing burger unfortunately, business as usual.

on mobile so I'm having difficulty copying and pasting.
 

MinusTydus

The Fallen
Jul 28, 2018
8,237
This seems more damaging to Biden than Trump.
You should start a thread about it.

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Deleted member 721

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Oct 25, 2017
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So it's true, because otherwise it's perjury?
its not perjury because there's no oath, but still is a proof that can be used, not all proofs are made under oath in front of judge.
The only way to say this proof is not something to be trusted is to say that the people that made it are lying or mistaken, debunk it with other proofs.
 

The Albatross

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Oct 25, 2017
39,260
Markets going up or down 150 points happen regularly and could be related to Trump news but it's not 1:1 related. We don't need to try to justify markets going up or down whenever there's some Trump story.
 

rjinaz

Avenger
Oct 25, 2017
28,494
Phoenix
Sadly I'm sure someone is doing gymnastics in PoliEra making this point seriously.


Wait

Are you serious?
Actually no. I haven't seen anybody there that wants this stink anywhere near Biden, and when somebody hints that they might they get called out for it. It's awfully reminiscent of what happened to Hillary and the GOP scandals against her.
 

Starwing

One Winged Slayer
The Fallen
Oct 31, 2018
4,135
The best part about this is that even his "redactions" and "edits" are damning, even when the full version is worse.