Where’s all the blood in Dragon Ball Super? DBZ was way more violent

MasterVampire · Nov 30, 2018

So is there a reason why DBS has pretty much no blood? At most if someone gets badly hurt saliva comes out their mouth. There's not even bloody scratches or wounds just like dirt scuff marks.

It's a bit disappointing.

Is it due to the series being aimed more at kids or something? The time it's on tv? Was blood more acceptable in the 1990s when DBZ was on?

Super does a poor job showing characters accumulating damage as it's hard to tell how hurt they are without seeing any actual blood or wounds.

Here's some comparisons:

Other stuff DBZ stuff

Mobu · Nov 30, 2018

Tv standards have changed, you cant show the same gore in DBZ at the time slot Super airs

Galkinator · Nov 30, 2018

Yup it's less acceptable unfortunately.
One Piece is like that as well

Deleted member 198 · Nov 30, 2018

DBZ didn't air at 8am on the kids block before One Piece.

glasiche · Nov 30, 2018

It's not Akira writing it and you forgot

Krillin exploding and Majin Vegeta blowing up all those people at the Worlds Martial Arts tournament

, those were good ones. Does DBS have any devastating violence besides energy blasts and transformations?

Lotus · Nov 30, 2018

Galkinator said:
Yup it's less acceptable unfortunately.
One Piece is like that as well

One Piece is not nearly as bad as it is in DBS, it's virtually non-existent in that show

MillionIII · Nov 30, 2018

Didn't watch super, is it a remake?

JonnyDBrit · Nov 30, 2018

To drive home the whole 'yes standards have changed' issue, in Kai, they had to fix up Goku's death against Raditz:

Lotus · Nov 30, 2018

MillionIII said:
Didn't watch super, is it a remake?

It's a sequel, set after the Buu arc basically. But at the same time, it takes place before when Goku meets Uub.

Gonzalez · Nov 30, 2018

All that stuff above, plus it's a kids program they have to sell to international audiences.

DanarchyReigns · Nov 30, 2018

TV standards have changed. What was acceptable in the 90s is not acceptable today. Especially since Super aired on Sunday mornings.

MillionIII said:
Didn't watch super, is it a remake?

... No. It's a new show that follows the events of Buu's defeat. How have you gone three years thinking it's a remake?

MillionIII · Nov 30, 2018

DanarchyReigns said:
TV standards have changed. What was acceptable in the 90s is not acceptable today. Especially since Super aired on Sunday mornings.

... No. It's a new show that follows the events of Buu's defeat. How have you gone three years thinking it's a remake?

I watched dbz as a kid so I don't remember much lol but I liked the fights

DanarchyReigns · Nov 30, 2018

Lotus said:
One Piece is not nearly as bad as it is in DBS, it's virtually non-existent in that show

Yeah. One Piece maybe toned down in parts, but it's still fairly bloody.
Super is like if America made Dragon Ball. Violent as hell but no blood allowed.

Kitsunelaine · Nov 30, 2018

Do you need blood to tell a story?

Lotus · Nov 30, 2018

Kitsunelaine said:
Do you need blood to tell a story?

Of course not, but it does help with immersion depending on the show/scene.

DanarchyReigns said:
Yeah. One Piece maybe toned down in parts, but it's still fairly bloody.
Super is like if America made Dragon Ball. Violent as hell but no blood allowed.

Just pukity puke puke

Inuhanyou · Nov 30, 2018

DBS is weak sauce compared to the original series. back in the day the series was just different in general, tone, attitude and intention. its a parody of its former self and has been ever since the extended universe started

You never get the suspense and tension of namek at all

CaptainKashup · Nov 30, 2018

Kitsunelaine said:
Do you need blood to tell a story?

You don't.
Problem is, it doesn't have a good story either.
Nor a main plot.
Or character development.
Or logic.

NuclearCake · Nov 30, 2018

To be fair to Super even the original Dragon Ball manga was more violent than the Anime and now it seems that things are even more strict than they were before. Dragon Ball was always and will always be targeted specifically to kids and that makes it pretty easy to tell why Super does not feature much blood. Standards for Kids tv is a bit different these days than it was in the 80s and early 90s.

Mcjmetroid · Nov 30, 2018

DanarchyReigns said:
... No. It's a new show that follows the events of Buu's defeat. How have you gone three years thinking it's a remake?

If he says yes then what's your response then?

Not everyone keeps up with Dragonball news which is why he asked the question

Subconian Dreamer · Nov 30, 2018

Mcjmetroid said:
If he says yes then what's your response then?

Not everyone keeps up with Dragonball news which is why he asked the question

Especially when it followed from the "reversioning" that was Kai, which would easily allow people that aren't really paying attention to get wires crossed

Freakzilla · Nov 30, 2018

I thought DBS played on toonami after 8 or 9? That's when I've seen it.

Polioliolio · Nov 30, 2018

DBZ is so much cooler.. Corny as hell, but cool where it matters.

Dark_Castle · Nov 30, 2018

Did the tv standards change in the last few years or something? Hunter x Hunter 2011 had blood and gore, especially in the chapters aired in 2014, so that was just around 4 years ago. Was it a different time slot thing?

Chaotic-Strike · Nov 30, 2018

Inuhanyou said:
DBS is weak sauce compared to the original series. back in the day the series was just different in general, tone, attitude and intention. its a parody of its former self and has been ever since the extended universe started

You never get the suspense and tension of namek at all

That dub sure takes the tension out of the original show.

SweetVermouth · Nov 30, 2018

This is still the most violent fight and beat down ever back when the show was still great:

but now it's all super sayan blue purple yellow time travel dudes n shit.

Inuhanyou · Nov 30, 2018

Chaotic-Strike said:
That dub sure takes the tension out of the original show.

The original funimation dub was cheesy, but it still had its own unique charm which kept the spirit of the series intact. Linda Young as frieza was so delightfully menacing that neither the OG japanese or the current kai VO can match.

Even though it was the first voice acting gig most of its cast had(they started during the ginyu saga), it was still in many ways superior to the ocean dub that came before. And those voice actors went onto greater things and got better and better

BassForever · Nov 30, 2018

Dark_Castle said:
Did the tv standards change in the last few years or something? Hunter x Hunter 2011 had blood and gore, especially in the chapters aired in 2014, so that was just around 4 years ago. Was it a different time slot thing?

Different time slot on a different network. It would be like a Japanese person who watches both star and the forces of evil and family guy and wondering why the former doesn't have as much blood and as the latter.

Not a perfect analogy I realize but I don't know enough modern animated tv shows to make a better one.

WrenchNinja · Nov 30, 2018

What was Naruto's timeslot? Is it early morning too? If so, how did they get around the ending of the show?

Deleted member 198 · Nov 30, 2018

WrenchNinja said:
What was Naruto's timeslot? Is it early morning too? If so, how did they get around the ending of the show?

Naruto aired on Wed/Thurs at around 5/6pm from what I can tell.
Super aired on Sunday morning at 9am.

Papertoonz · Nov 30, 2018

WrenchNinja said:
What was Naruto's timeslot? Is it early morning too? If so, how did they get around the ending of the show?

naruto did not have a early morning time slot, it was later around 6pm

Strangelove_77 · Nov 30, 2018

Hmm. I never even noticed until now. Weird.

Desmond · Nov 30, 2018

Magwik said:
Naruto aired on Wed/Thurs at around 5/6pm from what I can tell.
Super aired on Sunday morning at 9am.

Naruto also aired on TV Tokyo, whereas DBS aired on Fuji TV, which probably made a difference too

Kyle Cross · Nov 30, 2018

Chaotic-Strike said:
That dub sure takes the tension out of the original show.

Strong disagree. I know it isn't anywhere near as accurate as the original, but I think the FUNi dub is definitive DBZ.

Chaotic-Strike · Nov 30, 2018

Inuhanyou said:
The original funimation dub was cheesy, but it still had its own unique charm which kept the spirit of the series intact. Linda Young as frieza was so delightfully menacing that neither the OG japanese or the current kai VO can match.

Even though it was the first voice acting gig most of its cast had(they started during the ginyu saga), it was still in many ways superior to the ocean dub that came before. And those voice actors went onto greater things and got better and better

Menacing isn't the word I would use to describe Linda Young's Freeza. In fact, Freeza was one of the characters that got hit the hardest when it came to dumbing down the original character into a failed comedian Rita Repulsa knock off. Freeza telling Vegeta he destroyed Planet Vegeta in his first form and didn't even need to transform got turned into this in the old dub.

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NuclearCake · Nov 30, 2018

Inuhanyou said:
The original funimation dub was cheesy, but it still had its own unique charm which kept the spirit of the series intact. Linda Young as frieza was so delightfully menacing that neither the OG japanese or the current kai VO can match.

Even though it was the first voice acting gig most of its cast had(they started during the ginyu saga), it was still in many ways superior to the ocean dub that came before. And those voice actors went onto greater things and got better and better

I know it's just a subjective opinion but i have to strongly and respectfully disagree with everything here. There is virtually nothing redeemable about the Funimation dub. It's a complete train-wreck from top to bottom, it does not keep the spirit of the series intact whatsoever. As far as Linda Young as Freeza goes, she is the worst casting choice for a character ever and she did not get Freeza as a character at all. Like i am still amazed that Freeza is even popular in the states at all after what a complete misfire the Original Funimation dub was.

Chaotic-Strike said:
Menacing isn't the word I would use to describe Linda Young's Freeza. In fact, Freeza was one of the characters that got hit the hardest when it came to dumbing down the original character into a failed comedian Rita Repulsa knock off. Freeza telling Vegeta he destroyed Planet Vegeta in his first form and didn't even need to transform got turned into this in the old dub.

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What's stunning to me about this clip is that despite how bad it is, it's actually the "improved" version. The original dub that aired on Toonami sounded even worse.

Firemind · Nov 30, 2018

SweetVermouth said:
This is still the most violent fight and beat down ever back when the show was still great:

but now it's all super sayan blue purple yellow time travel dudes n shit.

tsampikos · Nov 30, 2018

Does blood make a show better?

Does it make cartoons for children feel any less so?

SliceSabre · Nov 30, 2018

Kitsunelaine said:
Do you need blood to tell a story?

No, but it's odd to watch a man get punched in the face 80 times and not see a single drop of blood when these dudes hit hard enough to crack a planet in half and the old series did have blood when they fought and the characters were much weaker than they are now.

bangai-o · Nov 30, 2018

SweetVermouth said:
This is still the most violent fight and beat down ever back when the show was still great:

but now it's all super sayan blue purple yellow time travel dudes n shit.

Videl getting beat by Spopovich was worse.

DanarchyReigns · Nov 30, 2018

VDenter said:
What's stunning to me about this clip is that despite how bad it is, it's actually the "improved" version. The original dub that aired on Toonami sounded even worse.

It's one whopper of a dub.
Yeah, you can tell Sabat here is trying to impersonate Brian Drummond's performance, long before he reshaped it into his own.
But even Drummond got better, as shown in the Super dub when he came back to play Copy-Vegeta.

Galkinator · Nov 30, 2018

Lotus said:
One Piece is not nearly as bad as it is in DBS, it's virtually non-existent in that show

True, but violence did get dramatically reduced in OP.
For example, in early OP we had Zoro vs Mihawk and Zoro vs Mr. 1 which were really bloody and messy, way more than anything we had post timeskip

Inuhanyou · Nov 30, 2018

Chaotic-Strike said:
Menacing isn't the word I would use to describe Linda Young's Freeza. In fact, Freeza was one of the characters that got hit the hardest when it came to dumbing down the original character into a failed comedian Rita Repulsa knock off. Freeza telling Vegeta he destroyed Planet Vegeta in his first form and didn't even need to transform got turned into this in the old dub.

That's just embellishment ocean dub started and funi felt the need to continue for consistency's sake, along with making the VO try and sound like those original actors for a while. Considering it was the first voice acting role for pretty much all of the cast, and funi's first gig in general, it came out a lot better than it could have otherwise, IMO, especially as the series progressed and the actors got more comfortable with their roles

VDenter said:
I know it's just a subjective opinion but i have to strongly and respectfully disagree with everything here. There is virtually nothing redeemable about the Funimation dub. It's a complete train-wreck from top to bottom, it does not keep the spirit of the series intact whatsoever. As far as Linda Young as Freeza goes, she is the worst casting choice for a character ever and she did not get Freeza as a character at all. Like i am still amazed that Freeza is even popular in the states at all after what a complete misfire the Original Funimation dub was.
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I disagree with pretty much everything here. Especially the bolded. Even ifyou want to say that Linda young's frieza was bad, saying her voice acting chops themselves are bad is one of the hottest takes of all time, especially after her excellent work as Genkai in YYH, the dub which far surpasses the original japanese version in general.

ChaserX · Nov 30, 2018

Amazing work from Chris Ayres

NuclearCake · Nov 30, 2018

DanarchyReigns said:
It's one whopper of a dub.
Yeah, you can tell Sabat here is trying to impersonate Brian Drummond's performance, long before he reshaped it into his own.
But even Drummond got better, as shown in the Super dub when he came back to play Copy-Vegeta.

Good grief...

The music, acting and the script are all combined to just flat out ruin a scene that was perfectly fine in the original. I'm not even trying to be hyperbolic here but that isn't even DBZ at this point. Like i couldn't even imagine them making this dub any worse even if they tired.

Yeah, Drummond did improve massively and i even preferred him to Sabat back then (Because Sabat was just a bad copy of Drummond) but even he wasn't great and i'm pretty sure he was also one of the most controversial actors when it came to the voices of the Ocean Cast back in the day. I don't recall many people liking his performance if they were familiar with the original version of the show.

Inuhanyou said:
That's just embellishment ocean dub started and funi felt the need to continue for consistency's sake, along with making the VO try and sound like those original actors for a while

I mean, they did not have to continue to double down on the mistakes made with the previous dub and the end result speaks for itself. It's horrible. It just sounds like a bad excuse really. This misguided attempt to turn DBZ into another crappy generic US saturday morning cartoon was the worst thing that happened to this franchise.

Inuhanyou said:
I disagree with pretty much everything here. Especially the bolded. Even ifyou want to say that Linda young's frieza was bad, saying her voice acting chops themselves are bad is one of the hottest takes of all time, especially after her excellent work as Genkai in YYH, the dub which far surpasses the original japanese version in general.

I did not mind her all that much in YYH. She was way more fitting there than she was for Freeza, that's for sure but the hottest of hot takes is the notion that anything in the dub of YYH surpasses the Japanese version, which granted was at-least a watchable dub (Unlike DBZ) but it doesn't even come close to the original. It's still far too cheesy and forced in many spots to even come close.

Richiek · Nov 30, 2018

Seeing Krillin getting impaled by Frieza's horn is one of most disturbing scenes in DBZ.

Hogendaz85 · Nov 30, 2018

VDenter said:
To be fair to Super even the original Dragon Ball manga was more violent than the Anime and now it seems that things are even more strict than they were before. Dragon Ball was always and will always be targeted specifically to kids and that makes it pretty easy to tell why Super does not feature much blood. Standards for Kids tv is a bit different these days than it was in the 80s and early 90s.

True there I remember in the manga Dr. Gero or Android 20 was it? Anyway he grabs that guy by the throat when they attack the city and squeezes his neck so hard that it detached from his body!

NuclearCake · Nov 30, 2018

Hogendaz85 said:
True there I remember in the manga Dr. Gero or Android 20 was it? Anyway he grabs that guy by the throat when they attack the city and squeezes his neck so hard that it detached from his body!

Yep, that's the scene that immediately came to mind while i was making that post. There are other examples as well.

Chaotic-Strike · Nov 30, 2018

Richiek said:
Seeing Krillin getting impaled by Frieza's horn is one of most disturbing scenes in DBZ.

"Yee haw ride em Cowboy".

Hogendaz85 · Nov 30, 2018

VDenter said:
Good grief...

The music, acting and the script are all combined to just flat out ruin a scene that was perfectly fine in the original. I'm not even trying to be hyperbolic here but that isn't even DBZ at this point. Like i couldn't even imagine them making this dub any worse even if they tired.

Yeah, Drummond did improve massively and i even preferred him to Sabat back then (Because Sabat was just a bad copy of Drummond) but even he wasn't great and i'm pretty sure he was also one of the most controversial actors when it came to the voices of the Ocean Cast back in the day. I don't recall many people liking his performance if they were familiar with the original version of the show.

I mean, they did not have to continue to double down on the mistakes made with the previous dub and the end result speaks for itself. It's horrible. It just sounds like a bad excuse really. This misguided attempt to turn DBZ into another crappy generic US saturday morning cartoon was the worst thing that happened to this franchise.

I did not mind her all that much in YYH. She was way more fitting there than she was for Freeza, that's for sure but the hottest of hot takes is the notion that anything in the dub of YYH surpasses the Japanese version, which granted was at-least a watchable dub (Unlike DBZ) but it doesn't even come close to the original. It's still far too cheesy and forced in many spots to even come close.

We would be good friends in real life! And that YYH hot take drives me nuts all day long (when I'm discussing it) the sub is so much better no question about it.

Lulu · Nov 30, 2018

Its adapted from a manga...

Where’s all the blood in Dragon Ball Super? DBZ was way more violent

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