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Most of my PS4 games are on disc, which means I can't take the cheaper PS5 version.
What prevents Microsoft from matching Sony’s price on the high end?
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I don't see the regular PS5 being less than $499 tbh. Sony would have probably wanted it to be even higher but given the XSX price they can't afford to be the most expensive console out there.
What gives you that impression? Sony wouldn't the mistake they made with the PS3 again. Why would you want to lose your huge install base and make it difficult to transition to the PS5, it would make no sense.
I disagree at some level. Their competition is still against the "complete" model with disk drive, and having a model at $300 could be seen as a decent advantage offset, despite the performance. I don't see them going any under Sony's disk model personally.
I think Sony's main goal is to have both PS5 versions slotted in price between the two XBox Series consoles, they'll use cheaper price point at the top end and they'll point out that the cheaper one is the same specs on the digital version, unlike the XBox Series S.
Then Sony reduces again and Microsoft to match - 299 LET'S FUCKING GO
They won't, hence I said they don't want to be the most expensive console. I just think they would have wanted their gains to be a bit bigger, but I reckon the PS5 is going to be $499.
The cost per unit was around $450 for the PS5 according to Bloomberg, and then Zhuge thought the Series X was anywhere from $460 low to $520 high:
Well getting their PS4 library to PS5 will have a lot more value to many. Value isn't only about which option is cheaper, and XSX's launch titles on Game Pass are still only smaller games pretty much, with no certainty how those will even turn out quality-wise.
We don't exactly know PS5's launch lineup, but launch windows games are definitely looking better than what XSX has. You could also say that for someone just getting into PlayStation, there's way more of those dirt cheap, quality PS4 exclusives available through BC compared to XB1. They aren't that expensive from retailers, but you could also buy loads of them used and only spend a couple of dollars. This way you also get all of the games you want to play and you own them. Game Pass doesn't have all of the best current gen games.
Overwhelming majority of people just don't play 50 games in a year, and that's a fact. For me it has been something like 4-5 + Apex. Of course Game Pass is a good deal, but for several reasons most still prefer Playstation.
If they get them to that, I will buy both day 1 with a year sub to every sub they offer.
But this would definitely get some bad press and pissed off reactions from early adopters. There's a good reason why launch prices usually don't change immediately after launch, and we are not in a XB1 situation with Kinect. So imo at least whatever the launch prices are, expect them to stay that way for a couple of years.
Absolutely it is. It's a very cool move by MS. Unprecedented really, in the industry
I think that both disc systems (Series X and PS5) are going to be great systems which will likely have some games run better on one and some run better on another. There will be games which are designed to take advantage of each architecture and will therefore end up being great on their own. Both are going to have a $499 price but that is because that was the best price Microsoft and Sony could put it without having a significant loss I think.
Microsoft and Sony have focused on different things. This is great for us as consumers! :)
Microsoft and Sony have focused on different things. This is great for us as consumers! :)
Any particular reason for us to not believe the BOMs given by the analysts including zhuge?
Yeah, I think this is why they did that.
They announced a price but also set pre-orders to go live later two weeks later. They've got a buffer where they can react if they need to.
I don't think they'll need to.
Why does this line keep getting repeated when the truth is locked up behind closed doors for both companies
I posted pretty reliable receipts ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Why you'd assume the console with higher specs is also cheaper to produce is a bit beyond me.
If anyone has links to analyst insider info about costs after the reveal / based on final models I'd like to see it (as opposed to the early simplistic analysis based on specs alone). I changed my mind about expected costs after I saw the PS5 box and the descriptions of the components and cooling solution from Cerny and if they're good at their jobs I expect they will have as well, unless someone has leaked info from factories etc. with info I haven't seen.
I didn't assume anything. I just don't believe a lot of "inside" info. The real numbers are out there somewhere.
There's no way the numbers from February can accurately estimate what it costs to get this consoles sitting on a store shelve. Too many variables.
Edit: Should have added I agree with you.
I can't see Sony undercutting MS. Sony has some expensive tech in their machine.
I don't think they'll see a need to either, since their brand is so strong.
How would MS react to being undercut? They'd probably do a price drop early next year, like they did shortly after the xbox one launched.
Microsoft does what Sonydon't.
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I'd also agree with this and the reverse of it tbh. Its also why I think their whole game of chicken and wanting to have a drop the mic moment like Sony's price last gen wasn't really going to happen anyway. I can see price matching wiggle room, but no big undercuts at launch.
At launch the purchasers heavily skew towards enthusiasts who will buy out every unit that can be manufactured anyway. The real pricing battles won't happen until there are more bundle deals 6-12 months later when general availability is better.
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well it's a sure way to say to your customers that you were about to fuck them in the ass raw, but changed your mind at the last second because of competition in a panic move.
Also the best way ever to demonstrate that there were no justification for your product to be more expensive in the first place.
Nobody does that, it never goes well. it's damaging to your brand.
If they really cared about the hardware sales of the premium model (they don't) they'd wait for a year or so before such a move.
Also the best way ever to demonstrate that there were no justification for your product to be more expensive in the first place.
Nobody does that, it never goes well. it's damaging to your brand.
If they really cared about the hardware sales of the premium model (they don't) they'd wait for a year or so before such a move.
Personally I would view it as reactionary and that Microsoft were worried about their product, I mean they've literally released a cheaper machine to try and target gamers who don't have the money to upgrade fully at launch, I don't see any reason for them to cut the price of the XSX at all. The amount of negative PR it would generate completely outweighs any benefit.
Not for me with their current output. The bigger games on there I already played and the ones I want day one are not there. So PS5 has much bigger value to me.
ERP is MSRP. It's a term MS has used for a long time across various branches of their company.
People put way too much stock in these numbers. They're just semi informed guesses . While a bit useful, shouldn't be used as the basis of further deduction.
Value is subjective.
Sony can just match MS on price and emphasize how they have a free game included with every console.
Even if the PS5 ends up at $450 and PS5D at $400, I doubt MS would do anything. They still went with $500 for XBO X when the PS4 Pro was already $100 less.
Sony can just match MS on price and emphasize how they have a free game included with every console.
Even if the PS5 ends up at $450 and PS5D at $400, I doubt MS would do anything. They still went with $500 for XBO X when the PS4 Pro was already $100 less.
I mean, the very best thing that could happen for consumers is that Sony comes in at $449 and Microsoft feels they have to match it. It feels unlikely for multiple reasons though.
The game of chicken ended a couple of days ago.
MS has laid the marker. We don't even have a teardown of a PS5 yet.
You are right though, MS could match the pricing and use some excuse as exchange rates or something 😊
