On PS5 the player will be able to:
- take the express elevator
- find the path lets them bypass the loading valley
- has the map to skip the maze
- will set up a slip and slide to get through the narrow crawlspace
- etc.
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What I actually said on Kotaku Splitscreen about the PlayStation 5's specs
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Same. I legit thought we all collectively moved on from the toxicity (at least THAT kind of toxicity) we saw during the PS3/360 and PS4/XBO reveal days considering things last time around weren't as bad as PS3/360. But nope, that must have just been an anomaly. I thought people chilled out since then but people are still getting riled up on a hair trigger.
People like Jason do this as a profession. It's his job. I don't like how people are dragging him through the mud and shitting on him for just doing his job, and reasonably so. We have the luxury of just closing the web browser and going back to playing games, but he doesn't.
There is a weird undertone of bitterness in the way that people are receiving these things. Like the XSX looks amazing on paper and I'm hoping some of these improvements / added features find their way into the PC space. The PS5 is fascinating and I can't wait to see exactly what developers can come up with on the machine. And yet... We have this mess on our hands. Gaming culture is REALLY quite toxic.
I think mostly fanboys who are aligned a particular way would think it's not a good look for him. Most people likely appreciate the inside investigative journalism and details he's offered. I mean, he's literally giving us an insight into what developers he's spoken to are saying, which as gaming enthusiasts we should be interested in hearing or learning.
Hell, I wish we could learn way more, because hearing information from developers certainly beats armchair analysts and random forum users.
Stop spreading misinformation. You've been doing it in every Sony thread. It's cool if Xbox is your favorite system, no need to make unsubstantiated claims about shit. Both you and Yearsoflurking been shitting up every thread and its pathetic.
I will buy a PS5 not an Xbox Series X but the console too is good. It is more powerful but the SSD is slower and it seems maybe the audio is better on PS5 but after all game first and the PS5 will probably be cheaper.
I'm checking out of large gaming related communities because of this stupid shit. We all know it's only going to get worse. People seem to have their self identity so intimately interwoven with these systems.
The funny thing is they did actually do that in one presentation with Spiderman, but it was just as dry and just as low key, because it was a corporate strategy meeting and the only reason we saw it was because of offscreen camera footage.
And that was in May. They produced a better understanding of what the system was capable of back during a corporate meeting then than they did in the months since being front facing with the public.
That said the entire console discourse of this the last few days is why I never frequent many next gen threads haha.
this is what Jason himself said in reply to my post full of misinformation.
so much misinformation. wow.
also i find it hilarious if you think xbox is my favorite system lmao.
Absolutely. I would love to hear from identified devs to show us the potential that the new generation will bring.
We tried that and it turned into a punch up of the regulars, anyone connected to a console is biased or something.
Identified devs can't really talk about these things too openly because they're under NDA lol.
Firstly, thank you kindly for taking the time to make the response both cogent and as layperson friendly as possible. Ergo, bookmarked.
Secondly, yes, I had forgotten all about 4K Random read and write bandwidth metric as opposed to sequential ones and thus I appreciate to be corrected and reminded of it.
Thirdly, in relation to your first bullet point:
I assume here you mean the current gen's way of asset management in anticipation of player movement.
And here I take it you're talking about saving processing cycles because the inherent increase in bandwidth for next gen storage means more data can be simultaneously transferred. The knock on effect of this would be, as Cerny mentioned, streaming what would be required (speculative) a few seconds into the immediate future as opposed to half a minute's worth of assets. Thus, each asset LoD states can attain that much higher quality.
It'll be curious to see how and how far asset streaming and data management change from something like this in CoD MW Warzone (courtesy of Digital Foundry):
Fourthly, pertaining to your last paragraph, I feel my knowledge on how data is written into NAND flash (like SLC, MLC and TLC variants) is inadequate to aptly comprehend it. So, I am now off to watch YT vids explaining how SSDs work in detail (a shame because I don't have a background in computer engineering).
Overall, my query pertained whether the increased speed of access to data, not the bandwidth itself, by around 3 orders of magnitude, opens up avenues for game design previously unseen. To that end, I think you've satiated my curiosity. Thank you.
Posts like yours is what makes coming to this forum worth it amidst all the typical BS. I hope I can ask you further questions.
The PS5 chip will be bigger than XSX chip in the end? What?
PS5 will be more powerful? Is that what youre saying
At this stage in gaming who even cares which console is the most powerful? PS2 wasn't. PS3 arguably wasn't. It's always been library and developer relations. Emphasis on the latter.
Let's name some more. Wii. Switch. Xbox One. All turned out to be phenomenally successful consoles for their own reasons and circumstances, in the XBO's case in spite of it.
Let's name some more. Wii. Switch. Xbox One. All turned out to be phenomenally successful consoles for their own reasons and circumstances, in the XBO's case in spite of it.
jschreier
Thanks so much for putting all this in the thread. It's really interesting to hear what developers are saying vs how Sony has marketed the system.
To me the biggest marketing blunder seems to be about Backwards Compatibility. Even today people are debating what Sony meant. I think it's quite obvious that PS4 BC is baked into the PS5 hardware and almost all PS4 games will run on PS5 if not all, but many think only 100 game are going to be working.
Is this something you could look into?
Thanks so much for putting all this in the thread. It's really interesting to hear what developers are saying vs how Sony has marketed the system.
To me the biggest marketing blunder seems to be about Backwards Compatibility. Even today people are debating what Sony meant. I think it's quite obvious that PS4 BC is baked into the PS5 hardware and almost all PS4 games will run on PS5 if not all, but many think only 100 game are going to be working.
Is this something you could look into?
It comes down to emotional attachment. People become attached to devices and brands. When they feel that their brand or device is being slighted in anyway, they attack and/or justify why those slighting their brand or device are wrong. Insecurity plays a role as well.
I mean, neither company has gone bankrupt through all these consoles and all have succeeded in different ways.
Of course they matter. Specs are why people buy more Xbox One X than PS4 and it's why Nintendo is still hoping to sell their first Switch.
No. Im saying
My bet... Series X will be better out the door... but as the tech matures and devs require more bandwidth, more speed, in future, like Star Citizen requiring an SSD, it's going to show what Sony is investing in today...
there is a possibility with all the auxiliary chips/processors Sony spoke about, the chip may be bigger. We dont know how it is integrated on the PS5. It wont be more powerful than the Series X by the TERAFLOP metric. But.. we will see if Sony's gamble on having the SSD (et al) fided so deeply into every system pays of in the end. My bet... it will. GDDR5 payed off.
My bet... Series X will be better out the door... but as the tech matures and devs require more bandwidth, more speed, in future, like Star Citizen requiring an SSD, it's going to show what Sony is investing in today...
Can we stop with this toxic ass shit? We get it. You've said it multiple times.
Its okay if people think its a weird thread, its also okay if people appreciate what he does/is doing. They're not mutually exclusive and its okay to have either opinion.
Shitting up the thread with this nonsense is annoying.
The least they could have shown was that Spider-Man demo they did behind closed doors, comparing HDD vs 2.4GB/s SSD vs 5.5GB/s SSD.
Yes. In current generation titles the code is forced to anticipate much further in advance what will need to be loaded. Guessing right several seconds in advance lets you load several hundred megabytes of important assets for an area the player is approaching, or a scene that's about to take place. Guessing wrong leads to filling a comparable amount of memory with assets that never get used. If you're loading gigabytes of data you need to know much further in advance (since you can only get 50-100MB/s of data from the disk.)
The basic idea for something like this shouldn't change dramatically. Access times and bandwidth are still not sufficient to load everything you need for a frame without some foreknowledge, it's only the period of time you're forecasting that changes. In their shoes I might be tempted to more aggressively discard high quality geometry and textures for terrain that isn't visible from any camera angle that could possibly occur over the next couple of frames.
... but this isn't one of the more extreme examples, either. Aerial views don't leave a lot of room for something to be hidden from view, except by being behind the camera, and may not require as dramatic a range of texture detail levels compared to a game where you can walk right up to a surface and stare at it from less than a meter away. These kinds of titles are where we're seen careful level layout to make sure you can't see too many highly detailed areas at once, by putting walls, twisty corridors, doors that take time to open, or elevator rides between them.
I'm glad to hear the posts have been of interest. To the extent that I know enough to provide insight and have time, I don't mind answering the occasional query.
Well, it makes a difference, nobody would seriously say it won't, but you are right it's not the only difference. The same with the SSD stuff that people are trying to spin.
The geometry engine is a part of rdna 2. It has been in AMD chips since GCN. Both machines will have a dedicated 3d audio chip as well. Nothing you said here is in any way accurate as far as chip size goes. a 36 CU SoC being bigger than a 54 CU SoC will never happen. The CU's are the same size, the other parts of the SoC are all there for both. It makes no sense by the laws of physics for what you are implying to be true.
this whole tflops thing is absolute dogshit, regardless of whether the Xbox is more powerful or not (in terms of raw graphics power output it absolutely it)
Nowhere near that much. The difference between those two resolutions is basically (2160/1800)^2 = 1.44 = a 44% increase, which is more like an PS4 > Xbox One or One X > PS4 Pro situation than what we'll likely see this generation. Here we'll see something substantially less dramatic and there are plenty of viable options for dealing with the difference gracefully, as advancing reconstruction techniques adequately demonstrate.
Also, I wasn't going by the podcast, I was going by what he posted, which is more important.
Is it? Based in what exactly?
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You are definitely on a mission
Keep the good fight, i guess.
that would be considered a direct attack to MS and would not end well
This is the best sentence I have read anywhere in a long time. You are an eloquent sob Mr Schreier.
Checks post history? Did you skim past my numerous hype posts in the PS5 reveal thread? Or how about my excitement for TLOU show? Keep skimming back. I like both systems/companies but have no qualms with criticizing either.Seriously, You, of all people, talking about toxicity while spreading FUD about jason's work and behavior ?
Is it? Based in what exactly?
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You are definitely on a mission
Keep the good fight, i guess.
that would be considered a direct attack to MS and would not end well
But bringing someones post history and "gifs" really show theres no reasoning or constructive discussion to be had. Enjoy my ignore list.
Yep. Baffling. Jason has only ever been honest to a fault, he's a classical style reporter who focuses on the truth, no matter how unpleasant, even if it is not helpful to his career or industry relations with the suits.
In a sea of sycophants and surface level banality, his depth of analysis and brute truth drilling is like a diamond in a chest of glass shards. Many of these things may be shiny and glittery, but most are jagged and worthless by comparison.
I see. Thank you for your patinece. I will take your suggestion to heart and do some reading.
I hardly think the audio chip in the PS5 is some generic AMD solution, they are afterall trying to emulate the thinking adopted from the way CELL handled audio. Tempest Audio Chip =/= AMD True Audio..
It's not meaningless, but there is more than one performance metric to a GPU that contribute to actual game performance. Sony and Microsoft made different trade-offs and that means the XSX is not always faster. That's before even considering the SSD differential and the API advantage Jason has been hearing about. I know it breaks some people's brains, but it's how this shit actually works.
This part isn't correct, the PS5 appears to have more custom I/O hardware that takes up space in the APU.
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