It's not that simple, though. It has new technology that enables more rendering features, but has less raw pixel-pushing power. So for cross-gen games that don't utilize engines that support new rendering tech, for example, it'll scale very strangely, one would imagine. If Halo Infinite looks functionally the same between One and Series consoles but at varying resolutions and framerates, it's not out of the realm of possibility that, at launch, it'll look significantly better on One X than on Series S.
Xbox One X already selling at ~300 range, not sure which price-point Lockhart will launch but it's going to be in similar ball park. People wont look at the two on shelf with similar prices and think "oh, but that one launch price is $499!"I think people kind of expect that the new 299$ console won't run games much better than the not-so-old 499$ console.
Just for comparison, 4TF RDNA2 is like 7-8TF CGN, so it will be a bit more powerful than One X and with better architecture. (edit: also 1080p is enough for some, but get ready for people bitching about it being the same that bitch about 4K)
Right!? Come on MS hurry up and just give us what we want!
4TF RDNA2 > 6TF GCN
We'll see it in action soon enough, but yeah - the Series S is going to be a much better console than the One X, at 1080p. But people who want 4k and all the bells and whistles could get the XSX, so it's not an issue.Just for comparison, 4TF RDNA2 is like 7-8TF CGN, so it will be a bit more powerful than One X and with better architecture. (edit: also 1080p is enough for some, but get ready for people bitching about it being the same that bitch about 4K)
Gamepass machine fo sho.
To be fair it took very long this time. So we are improving alot!
It'll have more effects and shorter load times. Even if it's not 4k, it's consistent with the messaging. X1X was the previous "4k" console. You'll need the newer "4k" console to clearly outpace it.But can you imagine how strange a spot it puts MS in? It's not a question that the Series S can't run games much better and games that look better, it's a situation where the Series S CAN do more than the One X, but it won't be apparent at launch because their premiere title is cross-gen and might end up looking worse on the console designed to run at lower resolutions. It's going to cause confusion and really strange messaging, imo. 120 fps might not do much to help here.
Yeah, shocking to see like... 4?? of these leaked within two days. Kinda bizarre. And is it true they're all in Chicago? Even more random lol
Yep. Especially once the RT gets patched in.Halo will play better on XSS than on X1X even if X1X runs it a 4k.
https://www.nbcchicago.com/top-vide...-of-looting-at-lincoln-park-best-buy/2319728/Video From Sky 5 Shows Aftermath of Looting at Lincoln Park Best Buy
Video from NBC Sky 5 shows damage and the aftermath of looting that broke out overnight at a Best Buy and surrounding businesses in Chicago's Lincoln Park neighborhood.
I really hope this is the case for Halo! This is how I plan on playing.
So they have the new controllers sitting in stores and not any new consoles????I think we maybe found the source for this leak:
https://www.nbcchicago.com/top-vide...-of-looting-at-lincoln-park-best-buy/2319728/
And they'll get similar relative overall value. Unless they're obsessed with 4k, the XSS will do the job just fine. Plus X1X is officially discontinued unless I'm mistaken.Xbox One X already selling at ~300 range, not sure which price-point Lockhart will launch but it's going to be in similar ball park. People wont look at the two on shelf with similar prices and think "oh, but that one launch price is $499!"
Sitting in the storage in the back maybe - looters breaking into the storage areas grabbing things not on the public facing displays.So they have the new controllers sitting in stores and not any new consoles????
Controllers were rumoured to release way earlier. :)So they have the new controllers sitting in stores and not any new consoles????
We should all agree to abbreviate Series as Se. SeS and SeX. I'd rather have one console called Sex than one called SS, tbh.
I didn't believe it'd be a problem for the Wii U either, but then Iegitimately saw people returning Wii U games at Best Buy because it didn't work on their Wii on three separate occasions at random.
In terms of (GPU) raw power
Xbox One
Xbox One S
Xbox Series S
Xbox One X
Xbox Series X
Lol.
Oh man, Microsoft marketing will be upset at you.TF aren't everything. Just like GHz isn't everything. Otherwise people would say the 360 is faster than the One, as the 360 has 3.2Ghz vs the One's 1.75GHz. There's more to it than just raw TF.
Maybe on a subscription/rental model like they've done a few times in the past. Basically, pay $40 a month, and get the machine+gamepass. Possible it won't even be something you can purchase outright.
Maybe they are going to shadow drop the controller after the reveal, so is on storage(that has been looted).So they have the new controllers sitting in stores and not any new consoles????
Console wont be in stores until prob the week or two of launch. more than likely the controller was def going on sale SoonSo they have the new controllers sitting in stores and not any new consoles????
In terms of (GPU) raw power
Xbox One
Xbox One S
Xbox Series S
Xbox One X
Xbox Series X
Maybe they are going to shadow drop the controller after the reveal, so is on storage(that has been looted).
Ah, that would make sense. Most likely after the next Xbox showcaseConsole wont be in stores until prob the week or two of launch. more than likely the controller was def going on sale Soon
Man, that's a really good point I hadn't thought of. And super disappointing if that ends up being the case.
Xbox One X already selling at ~300 range, not sure which price-point Lockhart will launch but it's going to be in similar ball park. People wont look at the two on shelf with similar prices and think "oh, but that one launch price is $499!"
Will this new controller use the same rechargeable battery pack as the One?
Will this new controller use the same rechargeable battery pack as the One?
My bet would be yes (but I can't say for sure). It still has to fit the AA batteries afterall.
The refreshes were to push 4K as 4K displays suddenly became the norm, whereas in 2013 they were not
Unless we see a rapid rollout of 8k TV's there isn't a real need for a refresh this time
It may still happen anyway, if the Pro and the One X were big money makers, then there isn't a reason not to carry on with that, but it's a harder sell this time around if the output resolution is the same as the base model. If we already have a lot of games running at 60fps or even 120fps then what benefit is there to pushing that to over 120fps?
If my base system does 60fps at 4k then there isn't much a mid gen refresh can offer me that's a drastic improvement.
Just for comparison, 4TF RDNA2 is like 7-8TF CGN, so it will be a bit more powerful than One X and with better architecture. (edit: also 1080p is enough for some, but get ready for people bitching about it being the same that bitch about 4K)
This is so confusing oh my gosh, I don't know what they're doing.
With Xbox One X price now is still $399, I wonder if Series S will be sold at $399 as well at launch, being a more powerful console with 1TB SSD.4TF RDNA2 > 6TF GCN
Not all teraflops are the same.
And then factor in the massive architecture differences aside from the GPU - CPU, memory bandwidth, SSD, VA etc. Xbox Series S is a beast compared to Xbox One X.
I theorised this a few days back in the "can Xbox compete" thread. You probably have to get it from Microsoft directly. It'd be nice if you can opt for one if you're a GPU subscriber.Maybe on a subscription/rental model like they've done a few times in the past. Basically, pay $40 a month, and get the machine+gamepass. Possible it won't even be something you can purchase outright.
I'm sure Xbox Series S will do well. Not sure why some people are crying over existence of this console when there is also Xbox Series X.
Mid gen refreshes happened this gen because Sony and MS did not want to go years without addressing the demo that was early adopters for 4k. For MS it served as a brand refresh as well.
Unless 8k becomes a substantial market in the next 5 years, or the AMD RT implementation completely fails next to rtx/dlss, I would not expect either company to rush to put out new hardware.
Two reasons for the delay might be
1) they are very anxious about how to position it in terms of price. The relative price of Series X and PS5 (both versions) determine how much value consumers will put in a non-4k SKU that runs the same games.
2) based on MS' software showings this summer, they don't have much to show running on the actual hardware yet. Difficult to sell the thing as "basically a One X at 1080p" if you don't have any *playable* One X games running in your own conferences.
Not certain. And imo if they want mass adoption, they need an sku with a disk drive.So are we certain this thing won't have a disc drive? Seems weird to go from One S with a 4K bluray drive to a Series S without. I remember 4K bluray + 1080p(ish) gaming being a major selling point of the One S.
The X1X has been discontinued. It's unlikely they'll both be on many shelves together.
It's not that simple, though. It has new technology that enables more rendering features, but has less raw pixel-pushing power. So for cross-gen games that don't utilize engines that support new rendering tech, for example, it'll scale very strangely, one would imagine. If Halo Infinite looks functionally the same between One and Series consoles but at varying resolutions and framerates, it's not out of the realm of possibility that, at launch, it'll look significantly better on One X than on Series S.