bruh you got a fuckin' steam logo in your avatar, you're clearly too biased to be calling someone's opinion on valve 'stupid'
corporate apologists I swear
But if I buy DVDs in stores, they literally come with a digital code for a completely different platform? If I buy an apple product, I will have to use a different platform, which will be advertised on the packaging. If target sells me a soundtrack of a current movie, I bet there's gonna be a "now in cinemas" sign nearby.I get where you're coming from, but it makes sense from their perspective. Switching from a digital storefront to an analog storefront for an analogy, if you're Target and you're selling a DVD of Avengers, you're not going to let Best Buy walk into your store and start advertising to consumers that they can pick it up at Best Buy instead. You'd tell them to get the hell out of your store and to not leverage your store space as an advertising spot.
Edit: Even if that advertising is being done by the developer / publisher themselves.
No Valve logo here. Am I allowed to post my opinion or should I go avatarless?bruh you got a fuckin' steam logo in your avatar, you're clearly too biased to be calling someone's opinion on valve 'stupid'
corporate apologists I swear
bruh you got a fuckin' steam logo in your avatar, you're clearly too biased to be calling someone's opinion on valve 'stupid'
corporate apologists I swear
It's not weird at all unless you don't know what a pc is
I'm fine with valve not allowing explicit advertising or even linking to different online game stores,I guess, but there's so much more going on. No console release trailers or news? No Crossplay information? What about being able to offer in-game currency as an mmo, for example? Gog is happily announcing whenever there are new games from their library on steam crossbuy or whatever it's called.
Idk man I find this all kinds of wrong, even if the general idea is understandable.
It was ridiculous to see forums of previous entries of a series now exclusive to EGS (Borderlands 3 or Metro) turn into a support forum for the newest entry exclusive to another platform,tbh.
You have a fire emblem avatar so ur obviously biased towards nintendo and aren't allowed to speak your opinion in pc threads soz bro thems the rulesNo Valve logo here. Am I allowed to post my opinion or should I go avatarless?
Honestly this sucks for everyone except valve. So no, it's not "good" first page posters, Jesus christ.
The tone would be pretty different if it would be any other company in industy. Valve can't do any wrong. The defense force will always be here.
The tone would be pretty different if it would be any other company in industy. Valve can't do any wrong. The defense force will always be here.
Barely anyone buys at EGS.VN devs are just gonna plug their Twitter or something and advertise from there, this seems more aimed at specifically preventing against advertising EGS versions imo.
The tone would be pretty different if it would be any other company in industy. Valve can't do any wrong. The defense force will always be here.
Well IF this stops EGS exclusive titles promotion then there's no reason why a regular STEAM user shouldn't be glad about this. Its not always about 'defending your favourite corporation'.The tone would be pretty different if it would be any other company in industy. Valve can't do any wrong. The defense force will always be here.
Ahh right, that makes sense. I forgot Steam actually allowed adult stuff now.Don't think it will really harm indie VNs that get approved with adult content included, its more of an issue with selling an all ages version with a patch to show the "stuff" happening to sell the base game to a wider audience (see any popular VN on console in the PS2/3 era,) for this won't pass reasons, or did it before Steam explicitly allowed adult stuff.
Idk if this is really that big of a loss for those devs considering they are getting cold hard cash in return. Valve will also realize this themselves and know this wont sway any would be Epic exclusive courters, this only really affects the people that try to circumvent the approval process.I think this is a good move for Steam. Get any mention of R18 patches off their servers, plus make devs going EGS exclusive have to think a little more before they make the decision since they will lose the ability to use Steam's features while it's not on the platform.
I mean, this whole "stop EGS exclusive title promotion" is a bit stupid because Valve has told devs to keep the steam pages open if they went to EGS if they wanted. Mainly because SEO works on Valve side, so people googling the game will find the Steam page easily in the top 3 results. If they had wanted to go scorched earth they would have time ago. The context of the situation (aka, just after a whole mess with an "all ages VN" that contained "bad assets" and had an R18 patch outside) seems to point towards they being more worried about being liable for holding "bad assets".Well IF this stops EGS exclusive titles promotion then there's no reason why a regular STEAM user shouldn't be glad about this. Its not always about 'defending your favourite corporation'.
Honestly this sucks for everyone except valve. So no, it's not "good" first page posters, Jesus christ.
I know this is why i kept IF there...I mean, this whole "stop EGS exclusive title promotion" is a bit stupid because Valve has told devs to keep the steam pages open if they went to EGS if they wanted. Mainly because SEO works on Valve side, so people googling the game will find the Steam page easily in the top 3 results. If they had wanted to go scorched earth they would have time ago. The context of the situation (aka, just after a whole mess with an "all ages VN" that contained "bad assets" and had an R18 patch outside) seems to point towards they being more worried about being liable for holding "bad assets".
There are R18 patches for games that Steam wouldnt allow the R18 version on (because of non-allowed content such as lolicon). Devs put a sanitized "all-ages" version on Steam and then offer an unlock-patch in their page (or just sell the R18 version in their own store, such as Mangagamer).Are R18 patches still common? I thought they were from before Steam just let you have straight up porn games.
As restrictions get lifted the edge cases and red lines shift, now the r18 patches are for prohibited content like underaged-characters in those VNsAre R18 patches still common? I thought they were from before Steam just let you have straight up porn games.
Kinda. It makes it possible for people to see the game if they have adult stuff OFF in their preferences and the game doesn't get the adult rating.Are R18 patches still common? I thought they were from before Steam just let you have straight up porn games.
Honestly this sucks for everyone except valve. So no, it's not "good" first page posters, Jesus christ.
People are here either saying it's related to loli/under-18 content hosted offsite, or that other companies most likely do this. Let's not derail with Steam defense force accusations, when if Nintendo or Sony did this it would be just the same reaction. Because, honestly, whilst this could have bad ramifications, it is just business.
The its just business part takes place in all discussions. Some ppl tell them why would they care if it's just business if they (the consumer) don't profit from it. The tone in the valve threads are always the same. Some ppl blind love for the company and some blind hate. But every critique against valve is basically hate in the eyes of the lovers so what do I know.
Considering your post history concerning Valve, the talk about bias is hysterical.bruh you got a fuckin' steam logo in your avatar, you're clearly too biased to be calling someone's opinion on valve 'stupid'
corporate apologists I swear
Perhaps, but anything to get people to realize that a 12% cut like Epic charges gets you an extremely barebones service compared to Steam's is a good thing in my opinion. I don't see a reason why they can't co-exist, but I know I'll always take the more feature rich platform.Ahh right, that makes sense. I forgot Steam actually allowed adult stuff now.
Idk if this is really that big of a loss for those devs considering they are getting cold hard cash in return. Valve will also realize this themselves and know this wont sway any would be Epic exclusive courters, this only really affects the people that try to circumvent the approval process.
And you seem to see arguments in favor as blind love so that makes you no different then.
This kind of talk never gets anywhere, if you have a specific argument about a topic then it is best to make your point and not post vague accusations.
There is preferential treatment for Valve in these matters because they have not given reason to not trust them with these kind of things, as mentioned they have rules that they don't enforce it at all.
It seems to me that every store should have the rule that we are talking about to cover themselves in all sorts of cases whether it is circumventing censorship rules or promoting a competing platform like EGS while being an exclusive. If we find that Valve forces devs to remove any mention of other platforms in patch notes or similar situations then the attitude towards Valve will certainly change from a lot of people.
The its just business part takes place in all discussions. Some ppl tell them why would they care if it's just business if they (the consumer) don't profit from it. The tone in the valve threads are always the same. Some ppl blind love for the company and some blind hate. But every critique against valve is basically hate in the eyes of the lovers so what do I know.
No Valve logo here. Am I allowed to post my opinion or should I go avatarless?
This is how they act in every Valve thread.
It has to do with valve having a better more consumer facing store and doing more for gaming/the consumer then all the big 3 console makers combined.The tone would be pretty different if it would be any other company in industy. Valve can't do any wrong. The defense force will always be here.
[Jim Sterling] Steam's Reluctance to Approve Hong-Kong Themed Games Raises Suspicions of China Bootlicking.
In this video, Jim argues that Valve's (Steam) reluctance to approve two pro Hong Kong themed games on their store front suggests China Bootlicking. Argues that many games, even ones that are literally broken - some even revolving around hate speech, can get approved within 5 days. But two...www.resetera.com
Just as a example. Never got any traction. #goodguyvalve.
It has to do with valve having a better more consumer facing store and doing more for gaming/the consumer then all the big 3 console makers combined.
This would be like Amazon telling people they can't advertise their other social media, and places to see other content of their, like youtube, on their Twitch channel page.Valve like any other company is under no obligation to offer free marketing services to its competitors on its own store. From a business point of view, it makes sense and I don't see how anyone can see it differently to be honest.
I would never allow a product advertising itself inside my store as already available in another store while it's still 6 months away from coming into my store to begin with, what kind of moron says yes to that ?
This has epic written all over it. Sucks because this is going to hurt console games that support cross save.
Not being able to promote does not mean they're making developers stop working on crossplay/save or anything like that.This has epic written all over it. Sucks because this is going to hurt console games that support cross save.