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.exe

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Oct 25, 2017
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In the past, I have considered linking to our studio's itch.io storefront from Steam. The platform fees are less on itch.io, which is a plus for us, and we distribute Steam keys with itch.io purchases, so it's a better deal for the player too. The only issue is that we have almost zero traffic on itch.io, especially compared to Steam, so linking to it from Steam could have helped, in theory. It's a pity, but I understand why Valve would do this.

If your itch store page purchases come with Steam keys then there is no problem though, is there? That's a "Steam version."
 

Jintor

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Oct 25, 2017
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If steam doesn't want the R18+ NSFW patch stuff it should go completely all the way and get all the fucking hentai puzzle matching games off the platform too. None of this half measure shit.
 

7thFloor

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Oct 27, 2017
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In the past, I have considered linking to our studio's itch.io storefront from Steam. The platform fees are less on itch.io, which is a plus for us, and we distribute Steam keys with itch.io purchases, so it's a better deal for the player too. The only issue is that we have almost zero traffic on itch.io, especially compared to Steam, so linking to it from Steam could have helped, in theory. It's a pity, but I understand why Valve would do this.
I actually wish more indie devs would advertise their itchio on steam, I would definitely buy from there; I guess that's not possible anymore.
 

Jintor

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Oct 25, 2017
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I get Steam's side of it especially for EGS stuff I guess but it's really shit for smaller devs.

On NSFW VNs specifically, if Steam blanket doesn't want them on the service that's one thing, but right now they're in this stupid place where Steam will maybe possibly sell your game and get that 30% cut but will randomly take you down at any moment for no stated reason and also you can't actually advertise the non steam features on the community page. That's just trying to have your cake and eat it too.
 

Armaros

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Oct 25, 2017
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I get Steam's side of it especially for EGS stuff I guess but it's really shit for smaller devs.

On NSFW VNs specifically, if Steam blanket doesn't want them on the service that's one thing, but right now they're in this stupid place where Steam will maybe possibly sell your game and get that 30% cut but will randomly take you down at any moment for no stated reason and also you can't actually advertise the non steam features on the community page. That's just trying to have your cake and eat it too.
Uh they dont care about NSFW VNs, they care about ones that have content that would be illegal or borderline, like lolicon
 

Jintor

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Ah that is more in line with how you can put any jank-ass asset store naked girls rip on steam and shove them into a match three game as long as the girls have huge boobs i guess
 

Armaros

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Oct 25, 2017
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Ah that is more in line with how you can put any jank-ass asset store naked girls rip on steam and shove them into a match three game as long as the girls have huge boobs i guess

So you didnt have anything to add to the topic and just came wandering by to complaing about non-sequitur, considering thats the only explaination for your last set of posts in this thread.
 

Alvis

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Oct 25, 2017
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bruh you got a fuckin' steam logo in your avatar, you're clearly too biased to be calling someone's opinion on valve 'stupid'

corporate apologists I swear
Oh hey look, you had to resort to personal attacks on frame 1 because you've got nothing to say against the argument presented. Why did you even reply?

Anyways, pretty sure the character in my avatar wasn't created by Valve. So... I also think that all the crying over this very logical rule is dumb. Am I allowed to say that, or do I need to obtain some sort of permit signed by you?
 

Jintor

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So you didnt have anything to add to the topic and just came wandering by to complaing about non-sequitur, considering thats the only explaination for your last set of posts in this thread.

I re-evaluated my opinion after receiving updated information, yes.
 

MatrixMan.exe

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Oct 25, 2017
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To the people questioning this, why should Valve allow Devs and publishers to advertise games for other competing platforms using their tools and services?

That makes no sense and I'm surprised they allowed it for so long.
 

Gabbo

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Oct 25, 2017
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Considering this is a thing still, I can see how this is not about underage pornography on their store.


But it might stop you from downloading a patch or new version from their website or other location that makes it as such.
I'm seeing no issue with this. Steam isn't meant to be a wide open pavilion of advertising. Use twitter or your blog/website for that
 
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SiG

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Oct 25, 2017
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I wonder how this will affect their deal with EA (given Origin, etc.)...
 

Heshinsi

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Oct 25, 2017
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No, this is not "good", what the hell. You can't announce you own games' console release? Are you allowed to talk about crossplay integration? Are trailers allowed to show all platforms?

Trailers on the PlayStation channel for example do not show any other platform but PlayStation, and that's the same for all other console manufacturers as well. I don't get what you mean.
 

PC-tan

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Feb 25, 2018
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Trailers on the PlayStation channel for example do not show any other platform but PlayStation, and that's the same for all other console manufacturers as well. I don't get what you mean.
One of the few cases that I can think of where Steam has been mentioned in the PS channel was for Nier Automata where they do mention Steam but I don't think there are any Steam links though
 
Oct 25, 2017
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I get Steam's side of it especially for EGS stuff I guess but it's really shit for smaller devs.

On NSFW VNs specifically, if Steam blanket doesn't want them on the service that's one thing, but right now they're in this stupid place where Steam will maybe possibly sell your game and get that 30% cut but will randomly take you down at any moment for no stated reason and also you can't actually advertise the non steam features on the community page. That's just trying to have your cake and eat it too.

I think their issue was more about whether the version listed on their servers contains said lewd data. As I understand it some games would outright eliminate said content from the steam version so if you data-mined you'd not find lewds, but had to download a separate patch to add the stuff in. Steam moreso had an issue with games that technically still had that content in the game data itself that Steam was hosting, but just needed a small patch to "unlock" it. So it's really about liability when it comes to the 18+ stuff.

But getting rid of linking to any patch on Steam's forums directly also makes sense in this context; if anything on Steam-hosted forums were to directly link to said content that could be seen as a liability issue as well.
 

sredgrin

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Oct 27, 2017
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Handwringing about this meaning other versions of games seems premature given Steam allows like, integration of their cloud saves in Nintendo Switch titles. I hardly doubt this new rule would have pretend Larian from talking about that patch if it had launched today instead of 6 months ago.

Seems far likely to just be about the creepy VNs and we'll continue to see news releases regarding console versions, EGS stuff, itch, humble bundles, etc.

Even then I don't expect it to be enforced that harshly. Seems like it's more setting a precedent so a rule can be pointed to when they decide to take action, since Valve's stance on some of this lolicon type stuff has been sort of murky in the past.
 

Arthands

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Oct 26, 2017
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Why is this good? It doesn't sound good...

It make sense. Steam users doesn't need update on non-Steam version of game. Similar to how Playstation youtube channel disallowing publishers to mention other platforms for multiplatform games in their trailer.

But it is more than likely that they doesn't want publishers to freeload Steam's advertising channels to disseminate updates and news on EGS exclusive games. I think its a great way to showcase the importance of these advertising channels and features (forums etc).
 
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sredgrin

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I don't know why anyone is arguing "be more like Sony's weird and often annoyingly unclear" messaging is a good thing.

Like, is really "good" for you that you didn't know Battetoads is also on Game Pass? Probably good for Steam, but I don't get anyone cheering it on at all (though I still maintain it's a moot matter anyway and not aimed at this sort of thing).
 
Valve claims policy isn’t new

Csr

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Nov 6, 2017
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As expected Valve explained that this rule was about patches trying to circumvent content policy and promoting games that are exclusive on EGS and nothing else will change.

PCGamer said:
Today, however, Valve issued a statement clarifying that the policy isn't actually new at all, and that the FAQ was updated simply to ensure that developers are fully informed.

"Regarding the updated language on the Steamworks Community FAQ; the general spirit of this update was to remind content creators that their Steam pages should not be used for certain activities such as for the promotion of a game's exclusive availability on a competing platform, the promotion of an external download that circumvents Steam content policies, or the promotion of other activity that conflicts with the Steam Distribution Agreement," Valve said.

"The new language on the FAQ was not really the introduction of any new policy or policing that should concern the majority of those publishing on Steam, but more of a reminder of existing rules for a small number of developers exploring the boundaries of the existing policies."
 
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thepenguin55

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Oct 28, 2017
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Lol what about all these games that require other store launchers to be installed to play them? I guess my Steam copy of Mass Effect 3 forums or the game itself says nothing about the game also being available on Origin but you'd have to be pretty dense to not figure that out.
 

Hasseigaku

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Did they ever manage to clean out the open white supremacists in the community or is all that still a-okay with them?
 

N051DE

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Oct 27, 2017
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Makes sense and kinda lame but most of the VN readers hardly read those pages since they're always in the discussions asking for a patch anyway.
 

Anustart

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Nov 12, 2017
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Steam would have to be the last place I'd look to find info on a nonsteam game or game version.
 

seroun

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Oct 25, 2018
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A pity, I don't think it's about racy minor-aged games, because Steam could do so many things against that shit and decide not to.
 

Pixieking

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Oct 25, 2017
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Lol what about all these games that require other store launchers to be installed to play them? I guess my Steam copy of Mass Effect 3 forums or the game itself says nothing about the game also being available on Origin but you'd have to be pretty dense to not figure that out.

Because those games are not exclusive to competing platforms.

certain activities such as for the promotion of a game's exclusive availability on a competing platform

As long as the game or service is available on Steam, promotion of other platforms seems fine (see: EA Play example up page).
 

prudis

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Oct 25, 2017
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"The new language on the FAQ was not really the introduction of any new policy or policing that should concern the majority of those publishing on Steam, but more of a reminder of existing rules for a small number of developers exploring the boundaries of the existing policies."

love that wording :-)
 

Csr

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Nov 6, 2017
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I was precisely saying that. I was referring to the comments about this possibly affecting NSFW VNs with minors, or games that push white supremacy narratives.

I am not sure what you are saying but those VNs that you mention are what Valve is targeting when they say "the promotion of an external download that circumvents Steam content policies".
 
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seroun

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Oct 25, 2018
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I am not sure what you are saying but those VNs that you mention are what Valve is targeting when they say "the promotion of an external download that circumvents Steam content policies".


Well, the poster I quoted said it wasn't like that, instead targeting games that are also sold on EGS. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
 

eonden

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Oct 25, 2017
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Well, the poster I quoted said it wasn't like that, instead targeting games that are also sold on EGS. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
... Have you read my previous posts? I have been saying the reason of this "change" was due to the R18 patches since nearly page 1.

Heck, your initial post that i answered was:
A pity, I don't think it's about racy minor-aged games, because Steam could do so many things against that shit and decide not to.
Which clearly seems to say you think this change wasnt because of the racy minor-aged games. Which again, seems to be the case.