US PoliEra 2020 |OT 3| "I think he's learned his lesson" says The Concerned Immoderate Darling Collins.
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They won't be Trump ads. They'll just be regular ads on Facebook attacking Biden. Have you not been following anything of this media strategy in the last 5 years?
Bernie has 100% or damn near 100% name recognition, the excuses from 2016 don't apply here anymore.
He also said it would likely be a woman. There's a ton of possibilities, from Warren to Kamala to one of the Tammys and that's just scratching the surface.
Yup. If he does, that failure is 100% on him and his apparatus. And we need to rethink how Dem leadership view minorities and actually be forceful with policy that benefits them. They're running out of time to just assume that vote will always be there at the levels they need to win elections. Will be disappointed if inner city areas are ignored in favor of traditional white suburban temporarily embarrassed republicans yet again.
Pete will help carry the suburbanites. You know, those people who were responsible for the Blue Wave of 2018.
Biden already appeals to those people. Pete would be worse than Tim Kaine because we wouldnt even get his home state advantage
We'll see if the depressed black turnout from 2016 is reversed, then. It plays a factor in disillusionment and Biden has to do serious outreach there beyond just the south.
Agreed. The attempts earlier in the primary to hit him on defending segregationists failed completely.
Any data corroborating this? Cause in Iowa he won in mostly rural places and he got his ass handed to him in NV and SC. Again, having Pete on the ticket only has the upside of securing New Hampshire - he's hated by young Democratic voters.
Yep, white people though...they'll fall for it hook, line, and sinker.
The more I think about Biden/Buttigieg, the more it really seems like the smart play. Biden needs help with the demographics Pete did best in.
I say this as huge Warren and Bernie supporter.
I say this as huge Warren and Bernie supporter.
Biden would have to be a complete idiot to choose Pete as his VP.
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I can see it happening.
Also if we win the presidency we have a great shot of winning the senate and house so the ticket should be targeted at appealing to all parts or the coalition especially since Biden and Bernie both have a decent chance of not making it 2 terms
Biden is losing college and educated folks in the primary to Sanders. These folks did not vote for Biden in IA or NH or NV.
Sticking with my prediction that people way over hyped themselves this weekend and Joe isn't going to do very well today.
What are these posts saying? Black people "fell" for the anti Hillary ads in 2016. This trope that black voters are only an incredibly informed voter base and not regular working people with responsibilities and barriers that prevent them from engaging with the media like other minority groups needs to end.
People literally ran Hillary's super predator ads all across social media and in documentaries. Nobody "fell" for anything when it was actually true.
im interested to see if there is an early vote vs same day difference
The original journalist clarified. Kamala not at rally, endorsement talks are "ongoing"
Exactly. It's just a fact that Biden has a history littered with racist statements and votes.
In fact, lots of people on this forum pulling for Biden today were calling him on this shit at the start of the race when he was 1 of 20.
Hoping you're right, but actually feeling chill either way. I think part of the reasons tensions are so high is because the race was so competitive and Bernie is currently leading, is a big deal.
Win or lose though, Beto nailed it in his statement that Bernie has permanently altered the goalposts of the left.
Thinking minority voters are immune to disinformation is a deadly mistake to make. Biden needs to put a fuckton of work into registering Hispanic/Latino voters and running up his margins with AA voters and going by his performance in this primary, he's not gonna do either.
It's really fucking stupid that people think you can fall for literal clips of candidates saying things... that they did. Biden still hasn't apologized for the crime bill.
Nobodys falling for shit.
It's so demeaning that people keep continuing this trope of black voters being immune to all bad faith and dishonest attacks. Black American voters are..... voters! And voters fall for this shit all the fucking time!
Wake the fuck up Democratic Party.
No he doesnt.
In Iowa he was quite popular with middle-class + college educated white women.
Iowa Caucus: Who Different Groups Supported (Published 2020)
How different groups voted in Iowa.
I'm half black, have a lot of politically active black family members, and speak to them often about politics. The notion that any of them would be gullible enough to fall for ANY ads from Trump or anyone else calling Biden racist is comical. My white family either for that matter. I'd imagine that even if someone not paying attention to politics at all whatsoever would think "he was Obama's VP, of course he isn't racist!"
It's just not an avenue of attack they'll find much joy in.
It's just not an avenue of attack they'll find much joy in.
Please god no
I would literally stop watching everything election related. I can't fucking stand Pete. This might be the one scenario where Trump's circus show "Woke!" campaign for black male voters might actually work lol. Trump only needs that slim 3-5% margin. If Biden just has to pick a man then he can pick Beto. At best he's a nice guy and at worst he's just kinda funny to watch. Keep Pete a thousand miles away. Literally anyone else would be preferable. God, I'd take DWS and I hate her guts.
And I'm black as well and I'll tell you that when Biden picks Kamala as his VP, all of these cop memes we were inundated with in 2019 will be everyfuckingwhere.
It won't even just be Trump ads. It'll be credible black activists and voices pushing that Biden was a racist and that Kamala wants to lock black people up. What are we going to do about that?
Beto would do at least as well as Pete with suburban women and educated folks, and has a penis if that's a requirement to be Biden's running mate. He's also not a dishonest fuck who constantly shits on leftist ideas with smug right wing talking points and doesn't concern troll 24/7. There's a reason AOC couldn't help herself from going hard after Pete.
You're wrong....
There's millions of black voters in America, do you think that sample size means anything? No one I know in my family would vote for trump. Yet millions of people still voted for him.
The black people are infallible!!! shit is the worst thing about this cycle. This is how you end up with candidates who take black voters for granted every single time.
Who do you think would be a good VP choice to mitigate Bidens issues?
But if we are posting out black family anecdotes my family is definitely all in for Biden but they live in the south so wouldnt make a difference anyway
It's like we're ignoring the very real facts that black voter turnout was down in 2016 - especially in critical areas. Hopefully the nominee addresses that and does not assume they'll just show up because Trump is a bad man.
I don't know what you mean by "fall for".
It's just video of Biden saying racist shit. Do people "fall" for facts appearing in front of their eyes?
Will they vote Trump? Of course not.
Will they not vote? Maybe.
A Biden/Harris ticket has a lot of attack surface. I'd be worried about ads targeting both of them for past criminal justice positions, I think it chills turnout among the brown and black voters we need to beat Trump.
again, racism and stereotype arguments aside, how does this argument not equally apply to older voters who spend tons of time on Facebook and are deathly afraid of socialism?
It's actually almost comical seeing people fall for the same exact mistakes as 2016.
Stacey Abrams, Lucy McBath (if she didnt endorse Bloomberg), Cory Booker (if he goes all in on his push to legalize weed and push for CRJ). There really aren't many choices!
Why do you keep assuming we're arguing we should elect Sanders instead? Biden is likely to be the nominee! We're talking about his issues now.
Stick our heads in the sand about this because... Sanders would be just as bad! isnt a compelling argument.
This is the hope because to be frank, none of the candidates have done shit with regards to this.
Yeah I dont understand why only bidens issues would depress turnout either.
We need to get a hold of the fact that we are left we some pretty weak options but even then I think both those options could beat trump. The only reason I even go for Biden is that I think he has the best shot of the taking the Senate with him
Down from 2008 and 2012? When the most popular black dude in history was at the top of the ballot?
I think being realistic that hitting Obama's numbers for anyone but Obama among black voters is probably something we'll have to deal with for 2020 and plan accordingly
More than that, I think the candidate of empathy and grief makes for a stark contrast with president who feels none of these things.
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