We are comparing their actions, not the potential long term effects of their actions after they leave office. If that's the case then we can't say anything about Trump since we don't know the long term effects of anything he's done yet.
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Trump Explodes at Nixon comparisons; tells aides to never mention Nixon around him again!
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I'm just saying the Trump is the natural evolution of everything that Nixon destabilized. So Trump is really just a side-birth of Nixon.
Obviously Trump doesn't have a single redeeming quality or single accomplishment to his name (unlike Nixon who actually has some very worthwhile accomplishments and was probably more liberal economically that the vast majority of democrats today). And it's probable that Democracy will be dead as the result of the shit Trump's spewed/will spew in the coming years. But I feel like we should properly credit Nixon for being the architect that created this path we're on. Because even Trump should probably be a blight on Nixon's legacy.
Yeah I know, his only provable crime was the cover up part of it. I would assume that those who gave the order at least had an unspoken understanding with their boss on what methods they could use. Then again, he was a drunk too so it's possible they told him everything and he forgot.
I guess you could definitely argue that he was the worst president in terms of damage to the institution, lives lost, and craven lust for power. Trump probably has him beat in terms of irrational, self-inflicted injuries though.
Nixon's actions laid the groundwork for what Trump would eventually do and behave like. That said, Nixon was still a more effective president than Trump by far, even if he was a huge piece of shit and most certainly prolonged the Vietnam war leading to so many unnecessary deaths (I'd argue all deaths from the Vietnam war were unnecessary, but I guess that's a different conversation).
And Nixon was still worse. Vietnam, gutting NASA, furthering the surveillance state, extreme bigotry, civilian attacks, laid the groundwork for institutional damage, broke a generation, and so much more. True, Trump is a piece of shit, but Nixon was even more of a monster.
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Nobody does, it worse.
Makes me feel bad for the rest.
Nobody does it, half as bad as you.
Baby baby, you're a pest.
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And Nixon was still worse. Vietnam, gutting NASA, furthering the surveillance state, extreme bigotry, civilian attacks, laid the groundwork for institutional damage, broke a generation, and so much more. True, Trump is a piece of shit, but Nixon was even more of a monster.
To put things into context.
USA COVID-19 deaths: 398,370
USA Vietnam deaths: 58,209
COVID-19 is about to pass World War II (405,399) for bigger death toll for USA, and will probably pass Civil War (655,000~) if current rate doesn't change.
Really feels like you don't comprehend the damage Trump has done.And Nixon was still worse. Vietnam, gutting NASA, furthering the surveillance state, extreme bigotry, civilian attacks, laid the groundwork for institutional damage, broke a generation, and so much more. True, Trump is a piece of shit, but Nixon was even more of a monster.
For real? I thought Nixon was part of privatizing health care? Unless I have my presidents mixed up.
No, I really do get it and loath the fucking man. Trump still isn't in the top 5 worst presidents the USA has had. Everything that Trump has accomplished was laid down by the framework of Nixon.
Why are you only counting USA death tolls in Vietnam? The amount of civilian deaths that can be traced to US actions adds hundreds of thousands to that count.
Nixon didn't support single payer but believed in universal healthcare and supported essentially an expanded public option to cover those unable to qualify for employer based coverage or Medicare.
Nixon's Plan For Health Reform, In His Own Words - KFF Health News
In 1974, President Nixon proposed universal health care, financial assistance for those who needed it and a way to control costs - a plan strikingly similar to those on Capitol Hill now.
khn.org
Nixon was very progressive in some areas, especially compared to where the GOP stands now.
Dude the Vietnam War killed anywhere from 1.5 to 3.5 million people. Non-American lives matter to.
He really doesn't but anyway.
We're allowed to say they were both incredibly terrible presidents. Vietnam would have ended 4-5 years sooner if it weren't for Nixon.
I think they're talking about strictly US deaths. I agree with you that the Vietnam war was more costly as human lives are human lives, whether US or not.
However, one would think an extremely xenophobic President that rattled on and on about "America first" would actually do a fucking decent job at at least protecting his own citizens. I think that's the argument the person you quoted was making.
Right? The man literally sabotaged Vietnamese peace talks because he thought it would help him get elected.
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Hell to the no. A bit too much whitewashing and giving way too much benefit of the doubt here. Nixon leaned in hard on the Southern Strategy and knew what he was doing and what it would lead to and for what purpose.
Treating him like just a neocon grandpa who hated all drugs only to then "oopsie" the country into a generations-spanning war of oppression is something others can do, but not me. Nixon was a racist monster with a high body count, domestic and especially abroad. And he will always remain one of the worst and most consequential white supremacist presidents we've ever had.
If you tweeted Benedict Donald to the Lincoln Project they'd probably have it trending by the end of the day.
Yes, but Reagan is the one who really kicked it into high-gear.
Yes. He had great reasons too -
"The Nixon campaign in 1968, and the Nixon White House after that, had two enemies: the antiwar left and black people," Ehrlichman told journalist Dan Baum in 1994. "You understand what I'm saying? We knew we couldn't make it illegal to be either against the war or blacks, but by getting the public to associate the hippies with marijuana and blacks with heroin, and then criminalizing both heavily, we could disrupt those communities."
Anyway, I think Nixon did way more harm than Trump, both in terms of lives lost and the long term consequences for the world. He's also way more racist than Trump (and if you think that's a defense of Trump than you don't know Nixon).
Though unlike Trump he did a couple of really good things, but overall fuck him and his rotting corpse.
The thing is, Nixon was an intelligent man and had a base of principles and shame, very low ones but were still there. The world was lucky that Trump is an idiot. Trump incompetence limited the damage he has done.
Imagine the damage that someone like Stanlin could have done with all the flaws in the democratic system that Trump exposed...
Imagine the damage that someone like Stanlin could have done with all the flaws in the democratic system that Trump exposed...
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This was a fantastic read, btw. I can honestly see H.S. Thompson having tried to ingratiate himself with Trumpers like he did Hells AngelsAnd Nixon was still worse. Vietnam, gutting NASA, furthering the surveillance state, extreme bigotry, civilian attacks, laid the groundwork for institutional damage, broke a generation, and so much more. True, Trump is a piece of shit, but Nixon was even more of a monster.