SNP have 35 MP's, compared to Labour's 256.
That alone makes it easier.
And Scotland voted for remain... I think all the SNP's MP constituencies voted for remain?
Whereas around 60% of Labour constituencies voted to Leave.
Theresa May survives no confidence vote after huge Brexit defeat
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SNP have 35 MP's, compared to Labour's 256.
That alone makes it easier.
And Scotland voted for remain... I think all the SNP's MP constituencies voted for remain?
Whereas around 60% of Labour constituencies voted to Leave.
This is what I fear most about Mays deal, where will be Britain's edge? She has signed up to copy the EU in all but name, as a company why would I come to the UK to set up a buisness
I agree and understand, but the Labour party was supposed to back remain. It's up to Labour to try and convince that 60% they voted on lies and deceit and at the very least, no deal and Hard Brexit would royally fuck the UK.
While I would like the UK not to leave the EU, I'm consigned to admitting defeat there, and instead, would view the people's vote as trying to vote for the best deal possible that if it won in a vote would force the Tory party to comply.
If that meant extending article 50, scrapping most of the negotiations so far and sacking May for a new leader to arrange a different deal, so be it. That might take another year or something, at some cost, but you don't just shout into your pillow and say "just get it over with" around such a massive change for your future/children's future.
Labour did a decent enough job of convincing Labour supporters to vote Remain (compared to the LD's)
It's the Tories/Cameron (once again) that fucked things up
Labour did a decent enough job of convincing Labour supporters to vote Remain (compared to the LD's)
It's the Tories/Cameron (once again) that fucked things up
I agree the whole mess is on the Tories hands in regards to the vote (UKIP voters were just Tory voters "in disguise"), but you highlighted the concern of "listening to the people in the seat you hold". Quite honestly that is past for Labour MPs, it's time to roll the dice and try absolutely everything possible to throw out some of the water that's leaking onto this ship and taking it down.
I'm hoping that if or when the 2nd vote fails she concedes and excepts there no way through the impasse and has to find another route but this is May we are talking about she'll just dig in deeper.
Exactly Businesses like political stability, and the Country is far from stable and is bleeding massively and it needs to be stopped, even if May's deal goes through it offers only a small amount of time of reassurances i.e delaying the brexit bomb until 2021 or the end of the transnational period whenever that is. Investment is drying up, major companies are leaving and citing Brexit as the reason why. Yes the Country voted for it but Brexit as a concept is now having serious repercussions and this is only going to get worse in the near time. If I was a foreign investor I would be staying away from Britain because of Brexit.
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I watched a few brexit vids on youtube and now the algorithm is bringing up pro-brexit videos all I can see is Farage or JRM destroys remainer on my feed, get fucked Google.
Sure, not guaranteed then it's just the most likely outcome. If you want to be pedantic.
So despite who wrote the Buzzfeed article, what are the odds of it being an accurate portrayal of what's going on inside the People's Vote campaign?
If I'm being honest, I would not be particularly surprised if it were true. There are a lot of egos there, and it wouldn't be long before heads started butting over a course of action, and any semblance of unity began to melt away.
I also absolutely believe Chuka Umunna is using it as a platform to possibly launch a new party, and snipe at the Labour front bench.
If I'm being honest, I would not be particularly surprised if it were true. There are a lot of egos there, and it wouldn't be long before heads started butting over a course of action, and any semblance of unity began to melt away.
I also absolutely believe Chuka Umunna is using it as a platform to possibly launch a new party, and snipe at the Labour front bench.
It's interesting to see optimism in Sterling. Even there I guess there is still large denial about how real a threat no deal is.
has anyone made a fucking reasonable suggestion how the ballot paper looks on this second ref? Its a dumb idea and I hope the suggestion goes away for good now
The no deal amendment is the most signed amendment. 115 MP's. I think they think a no deal will pass, even though it means nothing unless EU agree to an extension
Really depends on what the options are, but given the likelihood is that it's be multiple options then it'd use something like a single transferable vote system.
You'd have thought they'd learn about instigating referendums (referenda?) without a plan, but nope.
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So Corbyn tables an amendment that would stop no deal AND pave the way for another ref in the future depending on what happens
People almost immediately say they won't support it so the Labour leadership move on to Yvette Cooper's as that has a better chance of helping the situation at the moment
Chuka and co ignore reality, jump the gun and go full on people's vote now. Quickly realise they don't have the support (duh) and blame Corbyn.
Is that where we're at today?
It's crazy to think of the legacy (negative) the Luke's of May and Rees Mogg will leave in their wake. If No Deal happens it's like a nuke going off in every strata of the UK. Politics, economy, social structure... when/if these idiots ever wake up and realise what they voted for there will be hell to pay. Who thought Thatcher would look quaint.
It's all the same nonsense over and over again. Lots of people can agree on exiting, but not on what that looks like. Lots of people can agree on avoiding no deal, but not on how to achieve it. As soon as someone has to actually crystalize something into reality a majority comes out against the specifics.
It makes me want to bang my head against walls, desks, vehicles, you name it.
Waddayouknow Chuka is only interested in bashing Corbyn. He's a wanker.
If no majority for a second ref I'm not sure what the 230 majority were voting *for*. They don't want a no deal and don't want May's deal. So...
Maybe the only option is revoking A50 and not invoking it again until we have a clear position? This shit with us staring down the barrel of a gun is insane
This right here is what makes a second referendum a non-starter. Or at the very least delayed and obstructed for months, if not years.
Something along the lines of:
Do you wish to Leave the EU on the terms set out in the Withdrawal Agreement, or Stay in the EU on our current terms.
Leave
Stay
I've never thought of them as Tories, it's about "winning" and they don't really believe anything. Chuka is just one of the worst offenders because he is also completely useless.
The WA has been rejected by parliament, just like no deal would be, it can not be on the paper.
It absolutely can. If the vote is all about the "will of the people", then it can easily be argued that just because parliament has rejected it, the populace want the opportunity to say whether or not they agree.
There's no way a second referendum happens without one or both of May's deal and no deal being on the ballot, and that is why it's so dangerous.
Tories being so coward against voting the deal themselves that they would perform a Poncio Pilatos political maneuver to force people into a decision, would be the icing of the cake in this whole mess.
It's basically:
"We can't have May's deal because it's terrible so that's off the table."
"We can't have a no deal Brexit because it would destroy our economy so that's off the table."
"We can't stay because the Will of the People is absolute so that's off the table."
Sadly yes. Apart from anything else a not insignificant amount of people somehow believe no deal means status quo according to some poll a few weeks ago. No deal would likely still win regardless.
Pretty much.
https://www.theguardian.com/politic...rbus-for-blasting-governments-brexit-handling
things are going well at Tory HQ
things are going well at Tory HQ
It's a good job May absolutely loves being the big kahuna, I don't know what else she is getting out of the job.
Bingo. Remain being on the ballot paper is unicorn shit. Its never going to happen
I'm not sure and for some reason I can't find the poll. But I was certain it was a thing? Maybe I just imagined it. My faith in the British public is low enough that it's a possibility I dreamt it up.
https://www.theguardian.com/politic...onal-hq-belgium-brexit-netherlands-ireland-eu
Even the BBC are looking at the Netherlands, I want to be Dutch :(. I'm not sure about being Belgian though as I've never been and it looks a bit boring to be honest.
It's only their international HQ but its still fucking crazy to see.
I know the poll you're on about and it's real, I just don't know if they were likely to vote or just regular numbnuts.
Even the BBC are looking at the Netherlands, I want to be Dutch :(. I'm not sure about being Belgian though as I've never been and it looks a bit boring to be honest.
It's only their international HQ but its still fucking crazy to see.
I know the poll you're on about and it's real, I just don't know if they were likely to vote or just regular numbnuts.
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