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The Verge - The world is waiting for Google Stadia to flop
- Thread starter Parenegade
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You do get the impression that Stadia is a z-tier priority for Google.
It doesn't even have a website ffs
It doesn't even have a website ffs
I'd prefer it if all games could be preserved. Not all can, but I can't see why Google would put any special effort in to preserve what they are able to when that won't make them much profit.
It's going to have a rocky launch, slow burn, and then some wild new game appears that generates a bunch of buzz. Early days yet.
I'm still extremely curious to try out the service, but I'm also starting to get more and more worried about it. Even when you consider that this whole thing is just early access I do find a level of absurdity in Google thinking it's ok to launch a service where the things you buy (the games) have to be bought via a mobile app because a browser version of the store isn't ready yet. Family sharing is another thing that I just can't understand how google could overlook that and not have it ready for launch. These are really the most basic things that should be a given and they are not there.
As far as games are concerned, I think Google is kinda stuck between a rock and a hard place there, and we're in a situation that reminds me very much of the Wii U. Stadia is going to have a good number of games within it's launch window, but it's a situation where a lot of games at best are months old, and at worst they're games that came out 1 and 2 years ago (in the case of Tomb Raider we're talking about 2 games that came out years ago). A lot of the games on the service are games that anyone who wanted to play has likely already played them and, the only real solution to this problem is going to be 3rd parties releasing their future games on Stadia day and date with other platforms. If this happens of course, remains to be seen but we already are hearing of situations where Cyberpunk 2077 is not launching on Stadia along with other platforms on it's launch date and is instead launching later. Exclusives could solve this issue somewhat, but I don't think it would alleviate it completely. For Stadia to be treated equally as a platform and for people to even start thinking about having it as their main platform, 3rd party games need to launch at the same time as other platforms.
As far as games are concerned, I think Google is kinda stuck between a rock and a hard place there, and we're in a situation that reminds me very much of the Wii U. Stadia is going to have a good number of games within it's launch window, but it's a situation where a lot of games at best are months old, and at worst they're games that came out 1 and 2 years ago (in the case of Tomb Raider we're talking about 2 games that came out years ago). A lot of the games on the service are games that anyone who wanted to play has likely already played them and, the only real solution to this problem is going to be 3rd parties releasing their future games on Stadia day and date with other platforms. If this happens of course, remains to be seen but we already are hearing of situations where Cyberpunk 2077 is not launching on Stadia along with other platforms on it's launch date and is instead launching later. Exclusives could solve this issue somewhat, but I don't think it would alleviate it completely. For Stadia to be treated equally as a platform and for people to even start thinking about having it as their main platform, 3rd party games need to launch at the same time as other platforms.
I'm not worried about it shutting down. My internet is strong. And my data has been collected by Steam, MS, and Sony for years.
I predict that Stadia will be impressive at launch, though I will admit the game list is small. I think that once the service launches officially (keep in mind that only a finite number of people will actually touch the service next week) it'll have plenty of games and a lot of the features that aren't going to be ready next week (again, not a full launch) will be there.
I also predict that the first time people are able to try a free trial of a game using the free Base service there will be a lot of dinners made of crow. Stadia marketing hasn't been great thus far, but again it's not a full global launch. It's a paid beta.
The whole "lol Google will just kill it" argument isn't really valid here. Yes Google kills a lot of products, and it leads to a lot of passion and anger from a very, very vocal minority. But look at the most recent things they closed. Allo shut down and now Messages has all of Allo's best features. Inbox was killed (Google themselves said that only 1% of their userbase was active on the app) and now gmail has most of Inbox's features. I think the best argument could be made with Google Glass. It was a failure, but is still available for sale, and Google is still working on it. And the barrier to Glass was much higher than Stadia in that it cost 10x more and made you look stupid.
I also predict that the first time people are able to try a free trial of a game using the free Base service there will be a lot of dinners made of crow. Stadia marketing hasn't been great thus far, but again it's not a full global launch. It's a paid beta.
The whole "lol Google will just kill it" argument isn't really valid here. Yes Google kills a lot of products, and it leads to a lot of passion and anger from a very, very vocal minority. But look at the most recent things they closed. Allo shut down and now Messages has all of Allo's best features. Inbox was killed (Google themselves said that only 1% of their userbase was active on the app) and now gmail has most of Inbox's features. I think the best argument could be made with Google Glass. It was a failure, but is still available for sale, and Google is still working on it. And the barrier to Glass was much higher than Stadia in that it cost 10x more and made you look stupid.
That would be an ideal world, but since it isn't possible, we have to make the best of what we have. A few Stadia exclusives that can't be preserved isn't going to affect anything in the grand scheme of things. There are other benefits that cloud gaming also happens to bring, so it's a mismatch of ups and downs.
Right now I can play god of war on my Ps4 pro then on my pc using Ps now, that will only get better long term as Ps now gets more games, I can do the same with many xbox play anywhere gamepass games.
Then you are Google's prime audience, im all for options. I want Stadia to do well I just believe it launched or is launching in a bad way
This is absolutely not a make-or-break moment for cloud gaming. People just trust actual gaming companies to be more dedicated to the experiment. Microsoft isn't going to abandon this because Stadia flops.
Do you honestly believe this? People here are not showing the same resistence to PS Now or Xcloud compared to Google. For some reason.
"Conservative gamer on era is scared of change" must be the easiest argument ever to use on a place like this when you're too lazy to get into a nuanced discussion, seriously.
I mean, it fits the overall "I'm too cool to be seen with these traditional gamers" narrative and make you feel like you're so flexible with new technologies.
We all experienced events with popular online only game's servers crashing and burning on release dates, we all know how limited internet are being pushed on people by companies in the entire world in parallel with the progressively better connections, and we all knows google's reputation.
I'm sure streaming will be a great option for gaming in the future and that's why people trusts Sony or MS to be invested in their streaming options. Because they're just options if everything goes wrong.
It is totally possible. Companies can do it if they want.
But they have chosen not to in order to pursue profit, and so I'm going to criticise them for it. Maybe one day governments will pay attention and institute laws that force companies to preserve what they create, but until that day I'm going to continue to criticise companies for choosing not to.
So, to go back to your original post, no, I won't zip it. No one should zip it. The freedom to criticise these companies is the only damn way any of us can even begin to fight back.
mods, single player cheats, reselling, arbitrary input device support, actual ownership of games
It's probably buried under bunch of illogical subdomains.
But 3 old tomb raiders and just dance is almost a fuck you
No because you cant play Death Stranding on Stadia but you can play Breakpoint enjoy
I'm not vehemently against it.
Obviously there is a segment of the market that this is for. And you know what? More power to you. Knock yourself out.
For me, BUYING full priced Cloud only games is a pure deal breaker. If it was like "you get a cloud and a download copy", then ok. Or, if it was a netflix style obviously. Like gamepass, but cloud only. Then ok as well.
But yeah, having to pay $10 a month ontop of buying the game to be able to play in 4k with input latency?
I don't see any scenario where that is valuable to me.
I'll honestly wait for a huge sale for stadia games. I'll give it a shot when rdr2 drops down to $20. For $20, I'll check it out.
Obviously there is a segment of the market that this is for. And you know what? More power to you. Knock yourself out.
For me, BUYING full priced Cloud only games is a pure deal breaker. If it was like "you get a cloud and a download copy", then ok. Or, if it was a netflix style obviously. Like gamepass, but cloud only. Then ok as well.
But yeah, having to pay $10 a month ontop of buying the game to be able to play in 4k with input latency?
I don't see any scenario where that is valuable to me.
I'll honestly wait for a huge sale for stadia games. I'll give it a shot when rdr2 drops down to $20. For $20, I'll check it out.
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It has the same kind of site ALL of their products do. What're you talking about?
Criticizing is perfectly fine. It's problematic when it's just straight bashing going back to the "Stadia/cloud gaming needs to die" comment.
why? game streaming inherently involves a large shift in how games are delivered and consumed and that comes with a big set of tradeoffs. people who are disadvantaged by those tradeoffs would naturally want the format to fail.
You can hyper fixate on whatever individual comments you've seen all you want now, but your initial post, the one I took issue with, did nothing to specify, referring only to a broad, generic "gamers".
Or have investors happy about a product that they keep sinking money into and not seeing the results they want in 4 years. Right now they have a dead product because you have to buy the games on top of the sub.
Once either Microsoft or maybe google come up with an all in one sub, then that will be where the landscape will start to become more clear. Right now it's still wild west.
Once servers are in place that are based off of more powerful hardware you will see 4k streams for those games. Right now the majority of PS NOW's streaming side was used as a semi replacement for BC on PS3. ANd the hardware and most of the games were 720p.
So once those are replaced with something better server wise you will see that. And SONY HAS IP's that you can't get anywhere else. Thats the issue Stadia is mainly facing on top of their weird pricing.
There are so many options now for just subscriptions outside of streaming, people would rather do that. Once those subs down the road include streaming, unless google makes big exclusive stream deals for Battlefield and the likes it's not going to become a center for streaming.
It will be that other service that has the same games all the others have to stream, and non of the features for cross-play with the bigger player pools.
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Gamers being a decent chunk of the gaming community. (those that have their voices heard)
Those services are tied to a platform that still embraces physical games and a console even if you can use them without one. Stadia is something different. It's not a hard concept to grasp. You can belittle my point all you want but it doesn't invalidate it. Also I didn't say everyone who wants go see it fail fits that mold but it's an important aspect of the argument against Stadia that can and needs to be addressed
I've said this in another thread but absolutely no one on this site fears Google Stadia.
A small group of people are Stadia fanatics, and the rest of us either don't care or are just amused by what a trash fire the lead up to launch has been. No one is scared.
it's not as if google (or microsoft or sony) will see someone criticizing their streaming platform for lacking in mod support and change course to allow it. streaming platforms will never, ever support mods in the same way that PCs currently do. the only acceptable outcome for someone who values that feature will be the total failure or at least marginalization of game streaming.
They should just admit it's not for them if they are against the idea of it, and then let other people do what they want. The only things that need to die in gaming are true anti-consumer practices.
Streaming is the most anit-consumer of all, because similar to subs you don't own the games. Stadia in a sense is trying to combat that ownership while letting you buy on top of pay for the streaming service.
But none of the benefits.
I'll stick to my digital and physical.
PS Now is already a successful thing, and I expect it will get expanded next gen. Dualshock 5 will likely have Wifi. Cloud gaming is established, and it wasn't Google that made it happen. Microsoft is doing X-Cloud too. So if people are waiting for Stadia to flop, its because of Google not the cloud gaming idea. Personally my only problem with Stadia is that their library is just terrible. It's just a small list of old games. They needed to invest in a huge exclusive that fully utilizes their tech.
When is Stadia going to offer triple A exclusives that I can stream
A few years? Man, it's as if they should have launched the product when they had a few first party exclusives to release ready at launch or launch window.
Even if Sony or Microsoft didn't have a killer triple A exclusive at launch day, we at least knew what was coming with trailers and gameplay for new games. With Stadia, we have no clue what first party exclusives google is cooking up, since they're years away.
Personally, I really wish that they'd went with a proper "Netflix for Games!"-style implementation.
Obviously it wouldn't be possible to release every new game that comes out with a subscription-based model, but they could follow the Netflix example and buy the rights to a bunch of back catalogs and more recent titles from smaller publishers or something. If I could pay ten bucks a month and legally stream a bunch of older games without worrying about legal issues or emulation I'd probably do it.
Then, once that money starts rolling in, start releasing the tentpole "Stadia Original" games to entice new people and provide value for existing subscribers. If the initial outlay for full games is considered to be too much, do 'em episodic or something.
Heck, do all that and then provide the option to buy third-party games for full price as an option at a later date.
Obviously it wouldn't be possible to release every new game that comes out with a subscription-based model, but they could follow the Netflix example and buy the rights to a bunch of back catalogs and more recent titles from smaller publishers or something. If I could pay ten bucks a month and legally stream a bunch of older games without worrying about legal issues or emulation I'd probably do it.
Then, once that money starts rolling in, start releasing the tentpole "Stadia Original" games to entice new people and provide value for existing subscribers. If the initial outlay for full games is considered to be too much, do 'em episodic or something.
Heck, do all that and then provide the option to buy third-party games for full price as an option at a later date.
If people can complain about waiting a few extra months for certain stadia features I can complain about waiting 5 years for PSnow to offer something similar to stadia
Your point is just the bread and butter of every new technology discussion on era.
Nobody is scared of the unknown here, we already know the consequences of not having an offline option for our games. Problems inherent to Stadia are not new, or atleast most of them aren't.
Stadia has a free version you realize? And has benefits of accessibility and benefits of what cloud gaming can offer uniquely.
If you think that lootboxes and major content that gets cut from a game to be sold later as DLC isn't more anti-consumer than this, then... wow.
And before anyone points it out, I'm not intending to even get Stadia. I just don't like to see these things immediately get the death knell.
We're not anti-Stadia at all. We're just tired of the superlatives that are used to describe it like it's some second coming gaming.
Exactly it's because people KNOW google that they are raising valid questions
I don't need exclusives I'm just using it as pc replacement for new 3rd party games right now, like red dead 2 and cyberpunk
I don't want it to flop, but the use case for stadia isn't for me. I want an ecosystem where I can buy 1 game and play it on PC/console & cloud. I also want the ability to try out games through rentals for a small fee. If Stadia had those features I'd be excited for it.
As someone that wants to cloud game, If stadia fails I hope Sony gets serious about PSnow because it sucks very much in its current state