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(The Times, Sunday Times, Channel 4 Dispatches) Russell Brand accused of rape, sexual assaults and abuse (CW: sexual assault, abuse)
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On top of Metro London's response, It reads as if a lot of the most criminal incidents happened in LA? The LAPD hasn't been asked for comment from what I've seen.
There's already a lengthy thread for this:
Russell Brand accused of rape, sexual assaults and abuse
https://twitter.com/tvukzone/status/1702421992056754217www.resetera.com
New news, new thread.
Much of that thread was speculative until the actual documentary premiered.
How hard would it be for the Twitter CEO to just.. not weigh in on every single hot topic in the daily news? I guess Musk is chronically online shitposting so I expect too much.
Do 25+/yo adults just regularly date 16 year old kids in the UK??
I mean, there are apparently 30 year old men openly dating them.
I mean, there are apparently 30 year old men openly dating them.
That's one reason he's not CEO anymore (in name only. He's the chief operator and manager in reality, as we all know.)
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Back in 07, it was a lot more socially acceptable than it is now. I don't remember anyone at the time ever questioning Fielding or Brand, even though it seems obvious.
No.
There's legal and then there's publicly acceptable, and that age gap ain't it.
Apparently not any more than they do in the US or Australia. But it doesn't seem to be viewed as negatively societally as it is in the rest of the English speaking world [bar Africa and India], does it?
There could be many reasons for that, of course.
Age disparity in sexual relationships - Wikipedia
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It was mainly because this thread is specifically about the article, whereas that thread was really long and everything was being buried.
It wasn't until like the mid 2010s that this wasn't completely out of pocket. Transformers had this bizarre scene that could have been completely avoided by shifting around the ages but instead decided to focus on it.
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XaFJiUSvZOQ
Thankfully society has grown to accept that this all extremely creepy.
A good chunk of that thread was on speculation as to who the report was on. I don't mind a cleaner thread that starts from the start that it's Russel Brand.
I expect more people to come forward. He had the same sort of tactics with a lot of women. Even the same sort of apology with at least two of the woman who came forward. The Channel 4 piece on him was quite scathing. If there's any contract he had that threatened his employment if he had relationships with coworkers, it's all over for him because it shows his agents knew his addictions and that everywhere he went they were enabled. I'm not even defending him and his sex addiction when I say that: this was a man who clearly needed other adults with power in any room he was ever in that had another woman in it. Everyone failing to do that is like giving lighter fluid to an arsonist. Even leaving for an errand gave him a window to assault.
I expect more people to come forward. He had the same sort of tactics with a lot of women. Even the same sort of apology with at least two of the woman who came forward. The Channel 4 piece on him was quite scathing. If there's any contract he had that threatened his employment if he had relationships with coworkers, it's all over for him because it shows his agents knew his addictions and that everywhere he went they were enabled. I'm not even defending him and his sex addiction when I say that: this was a man who clearly needed other adults with power in any room he was ever in that had another woman in it. Everyone failing to do that is like giving lighter fluid to an arsonist. Even leaving for an errand gave him a window to assault.
Dating? Probably not.
Sexual relations, I'd bet it's a lot more common than people would think. I'm reminded of that bit in Trainspotting where Ewan McGregor's character who's in early/mid 20s ends up hooking up with a schoolgirl and then finds out the next morning. It's played as a shock, but also as a minor infraction and as such normalised to a degree even.
My own friend once found himself in this situation. He was like 26 or 27 back then and started talking to a girl at a club, they kissed and then he found out she was 16. He bailed. Teenagers that young do try to pass themseleves off as older than they are, and want to do "grown up" things and go to "grown up" places like clubs etc, as it's all new and they are eager to experience something that they will legally be able to in a year or two. I myself used to say I was 18 when I was 16.
Infact I've even seen younger adults do the same i.e. pass themseleves off as older than they are, my ex GF did this when I met her first. And her reasoning was that she didn't want people to dismiss her opinions and views/belittle her because of her age.
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Deadline is reporting on September 17th that BBC & Banijay has launched "urgent" investigations into the Russell Brand allegations:
deadline.com
BBC & Banijay Launch “Urgent” Investigations Into Russell Brand Allegations
UPDATED 08:29 a.m. PT: The BBC has now joined with Banijay in launching an urgent investigation into the Russell Brand allegations. The BBC is looking into Brand’s behavior while working on B…
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he's a creepy loser that's desperate to make other creepy losers like him, he was never not going to defend Brand.
Birds of a feather. No alliance is stronger than the bond between sexual predators covering each other's asses.
Predator like him? He 100% has victims in the UK as well, hopefully this encourages them to come out and press charges.
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More victims have come forward
www.thetimes.co.uk
BBC and police begin inquiries as Russell Brand faces more claims
More women have come forward with allegations about their treatment by Russell Brand after the entertainment industry was rocked by accusations of rape and sexu
www.thetimes.co.uk
Just a suggestion but i would put your last sentence where this is mentioned first/at the top instead off the bottom of the op, since it starts with a lot of quotes and many don't scroll till the end.
Only if you are a popular celebrity. Celebrity culture here allows a lot of people a lot of leeway by the fans that obsessively follow them.
It's technically legal for a 30 year old to date a 16 year old over here, but it is absolutely not considered any more socially acceptable here than it is elsewhere. Unless, like I said, it's in the eyes of an obsessive fan of a celebrity doing it.
Read through some of it, couldn't stomach any more.
I don't know if it's a great idea to have his own channel and response in the OP, giving him clicks and a platform.
It is interesting to see how he's downplaying and framing this story but even if it's not much, giving him a click feels wrong, especially if you might not do it through incognito mode and it might even mess with your algorithm.
I don't know if it's a great idea to have his own channel and response in the OP, giving him clicks and a platform.
It is interesting to see how he's downplaying and framing this story but even if it's not much, giving him a click feels wrong, especially if you might not do it through incognito mode and it might even mess with your algorithm.
In my high school it was not surprising seeing mid-20s+ dudes pick girls up pre-16, you would not bat an eye. Because you think you are mature, your peers are mature, and they know what they are doing. Kids would be in local clubs and dives and heavy drinking at age 12. Usually the older men were attractive enough and the stereotypical image of a predator drilled into your mind is a middle aged unattractive man promising puppies or candy instead of love and attention. Sex education was not properly fulfilled until later high school years.
It was almost a status symbol. Similarly teenage boys would pursue attractive female teachers for status, and race to lose virginity first. Gay students were all closeted and vulnerable to coercion from older people too.
As a high school girl you think you're much more mature and in control than you are, you can see recognition by an older man as validation of that. And it CAN appear to be ok for you for a while, until you're in over your head.
When I read the part in the Brand stuff about the taxi driver trying to convince the 16 year old not to go into his house and her doing it anyway, there was a definite familiarity in that. You see yourself as mature and in control, but everyone else sees you as naïve and malleable.
I would not say it's normal to most adults, it would most likely be kept away from concerned parents, but teenagers would probably see it as regular, at least in my "class." Once you're older and out of that situation you will see things as much more fucked up.
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GDGF posted this in the now closed thread and I'll add it to the OP. It's an upload of the channel 9pm programme for non UK viewers who cant get channel 4 player
View: https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x8o4deh
View: https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x8o4deh
10-15 years ago, my old neighbours had a significant age gap, she was under 20 when they met and he was in his 60s... they had a child together and everything. He was such a creep that one of his chatup lines I know of was "I have 6 months to live so marry me and get the inheritance", he would frequently flash large amounts of cash too.
Brand gives off those some vibes to me.
It's pretty taboo now and I'd give serious side eye to anyone my age (33) looking at anyone under early 20s maximum BUT when I was 17 I had a friend who was 16 and her boyfriend was a 27 year old and I thought that was pretty fucking creepy but apparently no one else did.
New pieces from the Times on this.
www.thetimes.co.uk
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Russell Brand ‘sent BBC chauffeur to pick up teenage girlfriend from school’
The BBC is facing urgent questions about Russell Brand amid allegations that he used its car service to pick up a 16-year-old girl from her school so that she c
www.thetimes.co.uk
He pinned me down in a locked room, says Russell Brand’s colleague
It was an ordinary working afternoon when Phoebe suddenly found herself alone with Russell Brand.She was collaborating with him on a project in Los Angeles and,
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Decades ago it might have have gotten a pass (we even had 16 year olds in Page 3...), but I don't care what the letter of the law says, if a 30-something is knowingly in a relationship with a "consenting" 16 year old, they give up any benefit of the doubt immediately and permanently. Anything else you tell me about them I'll believe.
I knew enough 16 year olds in relationships with 22+ year olds when we were in secondary school in the 00s that I didn't think it was particularly weird. I wouldn't call it regular per se, but it happened enough that I'm kind of desensitised to it.
I think part of the issue was the social culture in the 00s. Teens would regularly be out drinking on weekends, and whilst the drinking age is 18, everyone I knew kind of started at around 15. When you went out to drink in the clubs, especially if you were 'alternative' (that is to say; emo, scene, punk, goth, mosher), there'd be a pretty wide age range and you'd have, in my experience, 16 year olds mixing with people in their 20s creating weird Frankenstein social circles of people who wouldn't traditionally be mixing in that context.
I remember this video of Charlet Duboc interviewing this dude that was years ago (maybe 2016 or something?) and noticing that Charlet seemed very uncomfortable. Not very pleasant thinking back on that after this whole thing.
You just reminded me about the tabloids doing countdowns to young celebrities like Emma Watson/Charlotte Church coming of age
But sadly not a uk exclusive thing, I'm pretty sure US magazines sexualised the actress from Modern Family and that wasn't that long ago
Just another day at the BBC. Jesus, what an absolutely heinous organisation. Just protecting talent at any cost.New pieces from the Times on this.
Russell Brand ‘sent BBC chauffeur to pick up teenage girlfriend from school’
The BBC is facing urgent questions about Russell Brand amid allegations that he used its car service to pick up a 16-year-old girl from her school so that she cHe pinned me down in a locked room, says Russell Brand’s colleague
It was an ordinary working afternoon when Phoebe suddenly found herself alone with Russell Brand.She was collaborating with him on a project in Los Angeles and,
It's sickening that now they're all like "we take this seriously and we're doing an urgent and thorough investigation". Where were their fucking investigations and actions at the time?
Man I hear ya, one of my friends is a bit older and has dated women in their early 20's.
Personally I find it weird, mostly with regards to life experience, to date someone under 25. I find it very difficult to rationalize dating someone below that line, let alone their early 20's.
There's a bit of side eye if the age gap is so large and someone is that young. Feels like a weird power dynamic.
Name a more iconic pair than the Daily Fail/Heil being shitty and pandering to right wingers while simultaneously jumping on the morality outrage bandwagon.
Also they choose to conveniently ignore that he's become a right wing grifter these days, and that is who the bulk of the people defending him right now are. They are probably disappointed they couldn't get "woke" in the headline somehow, so instead just settling on "the left" instead.
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back when we were 13-14 lots of girls in my school dated older guys that were 18+. it's only years later when i was that age that i realized how fucked up that was.
Exactly. If anyone's obsessed with Brand since he left the mainstream it's the right, not the left.
Name a more iconic pair than the Daily Fail/Heil being shitty and pandering to right wingers while simultaneously jumping on the morality outrage bandwagon.
Also they choose to conveniently ignore that he's become a right wing grifter these days, and that is who the bulk of the people defending right now are. They are probably disappointed they couldn't get "woke" in the headline somehow, so instead just settling on "the left" instead.
Yeah this too, I remember distinctly 3 girls I sat with during maths aged 14 talking about how one of them had sex with a 23 year old in a tent on the beach and thinking man that's fucked up.
Yes, every I "stand with Brand" or similar post I have seen recently has been from right wingers, pretty much everyone on the other side is with the victims and saying Brand can go to hell.
I never quite got the hype for Brand, he spouted off quite frequently and originally had a fairly left wing/socialist agenda, and everyone i knew (who were left leaning) seem to love him at the time. I just didn't get it, he seemed fake then and a sleezy asshole!
I mean this isn't a shock considering the events that led to his sacking and the phone call to Andrew Sachs daughter on the radio to brag about shagging his granddaughter (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Russell_Brand_Show_prank_calls_row)
The thing is all those quotes of what he said, referring to one as "The Child" and the virgin as his porcelain doll.....it feels exactly like the things he would say.
I don't get how he managed to weather the previous storms, i don't get why Katy Perry married him or that Hollywood took him in for a while.
Everything is performative from a narcissist, he's right wing now as it gets him the attention, these women will have been nothing but cheap thrills for him to get attention, hell i wouldn't be surprised if he finds this situation perversely satisfying as he gets more attention and to grand stand for his current sycophants.
Let him burn, throw everything at him, and look to the people defending him too
I mean this isn't a shock considering the events that led to his sacking and the phone call to Andrew Sachs daughter on the radio to brag about shagging his granddaughter (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Russell_Brand_Show_prank_calls_row)
The thing is all those quotes of what he said, referring to one as "The Child" and the virgin as his porcelain doll.....it feels exactly like the things he would say.
I don't get how he managed to weather the previous storms, i don't get why Katy Perry married him or that Hollywood took him in for a while.
Everything is performative from a narcissist, he's right wing now as it gets him the attention, these women will have been nothing but cheap thrills for him to get attention, hell i wouldn't be surprised if he finds this situation perversely satisfying as he gets more attention and to grand stand for his current sycophants.
Let him burn, throw everything at him, and look to the people defending him too
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We were still in the "post-[bigotry]" era where because it was assumed that everyone knew racism, sexism, etc. was bad and we'd "beaten" bigotry, all possible topics were fair game for jokes, the more extreme the better. It's only recently thanks to the reemergence of far right populism in Trump, Brexit, etc. that society as a whole has realised actually we're a million miles away from being post-anything and we do need to consider what we're saying with our jokes and other artistic expressions. (something marginalised folks knew all along of course but it fell on death ears back then and was considered "political correctness")
Brand was ultimate "post-misogyny" figure within that above framework. A metrosexual dandy saying outrageous shit and we can all laugh along because we're beyond the genuine bad actors now so it's all fair game and jokes.
Within that context, this...
...wasn't seen as a mask-off moment but a terrible error in judgement. Rightly, the BBC reviewed their practises and decided talent cannot be its own producer as you need a second pair of eyes to hit the brakes where necessary. Unfortunately, that identified structural change became the entire focus of blame and it let Ross and Brand off the hook once they'd done their time, quit their current jobs and said sorry etc. "Funny lads, went a bit too far there, but they've apologised and anyway there should have been a producer to stop them"
If a lot of these behaviours behind the scenes had also come to light at the same time (and really, they should have) then I think it might have been a different outcome, but as it was folks just saw it as a one-off to be learnt from.
Weird pull but I remember in the mid 2000s there was a trend in the emo/scene/etc groups to be apart of a group called "porcelain kids" which my friend desperately wanted to be a part of. Young teenagers who buy DSLRs and photoshop to model themselves to be as pale and flawless as possible. (I don't think anybody cared at the time the racial implications of this) Only the best looking people with an appropriately expensive camera who fit this criteria could be exhibited on the group. Can't help but wonder if that appealed to him at the time.
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When you log on to Facebook and see a friend defending him (One who moderates a group I don't own but I run as admin for the owners) and luckily none of the other in the team have interacted with it and she's already been a bit of a dick to the owners; a rapist is not the hill to die on defending. Luckily a team I run and don't own (If it was one of the group I created, we'd be having talks).
I always found him grating and painfully unfunny - he was like that kid in school that kept bringing up tits and blowjobs, that was maybe a bit funny when you were 13 or 14 but by the end of school he just came across as a prick at best and a sex pest at worst... albeit as a grown adult and with funny hair.
This whole story is horrible and creepy. The guy is clearly a terrible person, it's actually baffling his history wasn't examined earlier.
I'd rather the newspapers weren't picking up on this story so much though, it feels like giving him more of a platform than anything. Similar to Trump. These people should just face justice and disappear from sight rather than be made media martyrs.
I'd rather the newspapers weren't picking up on this story so much though, it feels like giving him more of a platform than anything. Similar to Trump. These people should just face justice and disappear from sight rather than be made media martyrs.
View: https://twitter.com/PoliticsJOE_UK/status/1703712049480544766
Initial "Hero" Tweet By Bev Turner:
Yep, he was fired from Roast Battle in 2018 when Katherine Ryan repeatedly brought up his sexual assault allegations. This was three years BEFORE he became a virtuous and enlightened truth-teller.
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Revealed: Russell Brand Exited Comedy Central’s ‘Roast Battle’ After Facing Sexual Predator Claims On-Camera
Russell Brand's last major TV job in the UK on 'Roast Battle' ended with him being dropped after he was accused of being a "sexual predator."
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