He might get longer than that if all charges stick.
The Paul Manafort Trial: (Update): Guilty of 8 Charges, Remaining 10 Charges Deadlocked
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He might get longer than that if all charges stick.
Evil makes you old (see Stephen Miller, Kellyanne Conway, Sarah Huckabee Sanders, any Fox News host)... money temporarily corrects it.
Maybe it's both - evil makes you like 50 at 30, but then keeps you there till you're in your 80s.
Depends on sentencing guidelines... may not be eligible for parole depending upon what he's guilty of... but going to be really interesting.
They are saying 20 years younger than 69, which is 49 by my math.
8/10
I highly doubt he's guilty on 17 of 18. He'll probably get somewhere around 12-14 guilty tops. Just because they're unanimous doesn't mean they're all the same. I think on Rachel Maddow she had an attorney or ex-DA on her show that said he thought, at that point, the prosecution had proven 11. Guilty on all counts seems kind of unrealistic for what they're trying to prove. But who knows?
I don't think he looks 49 though. He does look a bit younger than 69 but not 20 years.
You really think so? I guess some people are actually fooled by his filler work and Just For Men dye job.
Oh.... Eh dude looks like around 60 to me. So yeah he looks alittle younger then he actually is but not much in my mind. Definitely not 49.
Pretty sure it completely depends on how long the jurors are willing to debate the remaining charge(s). If they really thought it was necessary it could go into tomorrow, but I doubt that'll be the case.
I'd looking beyond just Manafort and looking at the message sent.
I haven't asked myself so I never looked closely, but he must have done some lifting or botox. He looks very youg and of course he dyes his hair. But he looks way younger than Trump and more natural, hence why I'm surprised. He doesnt look the usual botched up
From the CNN live blog:
"Judge T.S. Ellis today told jurors to keep deliberating and instructed them with a "Sawyers charge" — more commonly known as an "Allen charge." The term Sawyers comes from a 1970 court case in the 4th Circuit, US v. Sawyers.
So what is an Allen or Sawyers charge? It is a supplemental instruction given by the trial court when a jury has reached an impasse in its deliberations and is unable to reach a consensus.
What must it contain? The judge may instruct the jury to go back and try their deliberations again, but the charge must not coerce a jury, and it must be fair, neutral and balanced. The judge must also incorporate a specific reminder to jurors on both sides (minority and majority jurors) that they must reconsider their positions in light of the other side's views.
Can a judge give multiple Allen charges? Yes. The judge can instruct the jury multiple times to go back and try again if they are deadlocked.
But sometimes, they're controversial.
The way a judge delivers Allen charges and how juries react to them can be controversial as defendants have argued they can be coercive to the jury. It is notable, therefore, that Ellis today emphasized to jurors they should stay true to their convictions and take all the time they need. He even told jurors they could ignore this instruction altogether.
"You should not surrender your honest conviction" simply to reach a verdict, Ellis told the jury Tuesday while he spoke for them about five minutes. He encouraged each juror to make their own decisions on each count, but if some were in the minority on a decision, they could think about what the other jurors believe.
"You're the exclusive judges," he said, encouraging them to make their own decisions about witness testimony and evidence in the case.
"Take all the time which you feel is necessary," he said."
"Judge T.S. Ellis today told jurors to keep deliberating and instructed them with a "Sawyers charge" — more commonly known as an "Allen charge." The term Sawyers comes from a 1970 court case in the 4th Circuit, US v. Sawyers.
So what is an Allen or Sawyers charge? It is a supplemental instruction given by the trial court when a jury has reached an impasse in its deliberations and is unable to reach a consensus.
What must it contain? The judge may instruct the jury to go back and try their deliberations again, but the charge must not coerce a jury, and it must be fair, neutral and balanced. The judge must also incorporate a specific reminder to jurors on both sides (minority and majority jurors) that they must reconsider their positions in light of the other side's views.
Can a judge give multiple Allen charges? Yes. The judge can instruct the jury multiple times to go back and try again if they are deadlocked.
But sometimes, they're controversial.
The way a judge delivers Allen charges and how juries react to them can be controversial as defendants have argued they can be coercive to the jury. It is notable, therefore, that Ellis today emphasized to jurors they should stay true to their convictions and take all the time they need. He even told jurors they could ignore this instruction altogether.
"You should not surrender your honest conviction" simply to reach a verdict, Ellis told the jury Tuesday while he spoke for them about five minutes. He encouraged each juror to make their own decisions on each count, but if some were in the minority on a decision, they could think about what the other jurors believe.
"You're the exclusive judges," he said, encouraging them to make their own decisions about witness testimony and evidence in the case.
"Take all the time which you feel is necessary," he said."
If all of this ends with a Trump mug shot where he's not able to have his hair manicured and colored in its traditional ridiculous way I'll almost think these past couple years will have been worth it.
Almost.
My wife saw Manafort in NYC late last year and she mentioned that it looked like his face was melting off. Coincidentally, she also had an event that day where Tucker Carlson was in the room. So maybe, thinking back, she was in some circle of Hell.
For the sake of my relationship, I need this trial to end. My SO is sick of hearing me rant about Manafort every day on our drive home. She cares about it, but I've been a bit obsessed for about a month now.
IF only I could be a fly on the wall in either the FBI room with Cohen or Trump's room when he found out. Specially if this a corroboration instead of a plea agreement.
Manafort has to be wondering what Cohen could say about him too.
Manafort has to be wondering what Cohen could say about him too.
You do realize there is another trial next month and that trial specifically is going to have potentially way worse charges right? That trial is related to Manafort's time in Ukraine and his attempted witness tampering and conspiracy against the United States.
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No.
I've posted about it numerous times in this very thread.
Rule of thumb is usually the judge will let them deliberate for as many hours as they heard testimony before calling a mistrial on the deadlocked counts.
Without extension, until 5:30 est is my understanding.
Edit: for today anyway
Yeah, as long as they want to keep deliberating I'm not sure there's any law or rule saying they ever have to stop. I mean, theoretically they could go all night if they wanted (but who wants to do that...).
Eventually the judge would declare a mistrial if the jury was hopelessly deadlocked, but yeah there's no limit on deliberation. If a judge set a limit for deliberation it would create a strong justification for appeal of any guilty verdicts.
