He was a kid in clone wars. Now he's a badass kiwi man
He was a kid in clone wars. Now he's a badass kiwi man
I wonder why they decided to do that. For me the difference was kind of jarring.I believe this is the first chapter that was actually shot on location. Rodriquez was also a last minute replacement and I guess they did not have the backgrounds ready for the Volume.
edit: this chapter actually amplifies the fact that the volume is some groundbreaking tech lol
Can someone remind me why you all had fan boners for this fool? Lmao
Okay, I may have legitimately missed something here, but how is Boba in Mando's debt? From what I remember, Boba basically just up and threatened to kill Grogu if Mando didn't give him his armor. Which he actually didn't, a fight ensued, and Boba snuck into the Razor Crest and stole his armor himself, at which point he then proceeded to kill the stormtroopers that interrupted his standoff. So Mando didn't even agree to the deal, he just got unlucky.
The actual terms of the deal, as I understood them, Boba saying "I will keep Grogu safe.", it was "I will no longer endanger/threaten Grogu." And it has to be that because Boba was the first one to show up, and so Grogu wasn't in danger until Boba put him in danger.
Is this a mandalorian thing? That which a Mandalorian threatens is under their protection until a deal is met?
Pretty sure Manda was gonna agree. There was no reason for him not to and Boba definitely would've asked to let him check the records on the armor. The only reason there was any conflict was because Mando didn't know the armor did rightfully belong to Boba, other than that they were all being reasonable with each other once the weapons were put down.Okay, I may have legitimately missed something here, but how is Boba in Mando's debt? From what I remember, Boba basically just up and threatened to kill Grogu if Mando didn't give him his armor. Which he actually didn't, a fight ensued, and Boba snuck into the Razor Crest and stole his armor himself, at which point he then proceeded to kill the stormtroopers that interrupted his standoff. So Mando didn't even agree to the deal, he just got unlucky.
"I didn't end up having to steal it from you, you would have probably willingly given me that which we all agree is mine by right after I threatened you into it, therefore I am in your debt" is a very strange conception of obligation and a very benevolent one for a bounty hunter to have.Pretty sure Manda was gonna agree. There was no reason for him not to and Boba definitely would've asked to let him check the records on the armor. The only reason there was any conflict was because Mando didn't know the armor did rightfully belong to Boba, other than that they were all being reasonable with each other once the weapons were put down.
I'm not familiar with whatever other appearances Boba Fett made over the years in other content (books or whatever), but this seems to be the first time we really see the character actually interacting with someone else on an equal level, talking and negotiating. Every other time we've seen him, he's always been chasing someone down or just getting into a fight. So it's hard to say whether it's really out of character for him to behave the way he is.
Temuera Morrison is a pretty pivotal Star Wars actor:
Jango Fett, Boba Fett and every single Clone.
"I didn't end up having to steal it from you, you would have probably willingly given me that which we all agree is mine by right after I threatened you into it, therefore I am in your debt" is a very strange conception of obligation and a very benevolent one for a bounty hunter to have.
At this point, I assume it has to do with him being a Mandalorian. I don't think he would have been as forthcoming with just anybody."I didn't end up having to steal it from you, you would have probably willingly given me that which we all agree is mine by right after I threatened you into it, therefore I am in your debt" is a very strange conception of obligation and a very benevolent one for a bounty hunter to have.
Yeah, but Im talking about physically. Visually.Dee Bradley Baker is the clones.
I really like the Battlefront II take where only Boba is voiced by Morrison and the Clones are all Baker, makes Boba more unique
I think you're vastly ignoring the context of ROTJ's development and release and what audiences were expecting, vs. what Lucas's intentions were for the film overall. There was no "his father was no pushover and went around gunning down jedis" in the 80s. I think the heart of the matter is that it's a really lackluster action sequence meant to be as light as possible because the audience of the film was meant to be younger in order to drive those sweet sweet toy sales.Listen, Boba Fett went out like a chump in ROTJ. It was a subversion by Lucas, you know before Rian Johnson was hated for this. But, that doesn't mean he was a shit fighter. Boba Fett's reputation was such that even Vader respected him in Empire, he was able to clap back to Vader when everyone else was getting choked to death. His skill level and ferocity was implied. Remember, he successfully tracked Han Solo, captured him, fended off Luke Skywalker, and made away with his prize to Jabba. He was a notorious Bounty Hunter and his father was no pushover either who went around gunning down Jedis with ease.
ROTJ used this reputation to create a gag and deprive the audience of the fight they were expecting. But, that doesn't break my suspension of disbelief when he returns as a badass here because he wasn't a pushover. The gag works because of his reputation.
The deal is"I didn't end up having to steal it from you, you would have probably willingly given me that which we all agree is mine by right after I threatened you into it, therefore I am in your debt" is a very strange conception of obligation and a very benevolent one for a bounty hunter to have.
Second, who the hell edited this episode because sometimes there was this weird vignette effect that looked tacky.
I think you're vastly ignoring the context of ROTJ's development and release and what audiences were expecting, vs. what Lucas's intentions were for the film overall. There was no "his father was no pushover and went around gunning down jedis" in the 80s. I think the heart of the matter is that it's a really lackluster action sequence meant to be as light as possible because the audience of the film was meant to be younger in order to drive those sweet sweet toy sales.
It's not like anyone is particularly impressive in that scene, it's just clunky filmmaking and dated vfx limitationsHow am I supposed to reconcile this godlike reincarnation of Boba Fett with this jobber? Did the Sarlaac's innards teach him martial arts? Dude just blew off a Stormtrooper's head without even looking and he couldn't fucking dodge a blind man's stick.
I still say they should have run with the characterization. Still have him be stoic and srs face and still have him win fights because he's got beskar armor and Mando tech, but keep the part where he is also a shit fighter and gets owned like a chump every now and then.No, because the context before ROTJ was ESB where Boba Fett was a lethal threat. Lucas then dispenses him like a gag. I remember a tweet from Pablo Hidalgo comparing Grievous to Boba Fett and Lucas' philosophy of basically demystifying the badass. Boba Fett is supposed to be this great bounty hunter but he has him go out like a chump, Grievous is this lethal general but is then shown as a coward that runs from every fight.
He wasn't intending to steal it back. Bobba could've just strafed Mando and be done with it, or go hand to hand when he ambushed Mando. Bobba wanted to reason with Mando and show it was his rightful armor. Then, he was willing to strike the deal where he gets his armor and gives Mando safe passage where he or Fennic doesn't try to collect the bounty on the child. This isn't that difficult to see"I didn't end up having to steal it from you, you would have probably willingly given me that which we all agree is mine by right after I threatened you into it, therefore I am in your debt" is a very strange conception of obligation and a very benevolent one for a bounty hunter to have.
I still say they should have run with the characterization. Still have him be stoic and srs face and still have him win fights because he's got beskar armor and Mando tech, but keep the part where he is also a shit fighter and gets owned like a chump every now and then.
We can have both.
He wasn't intending to steal it back. Bobba could've just strafed Mando and be done with it, or go hand to hand when he ambushed Mando. Bobba wanted to reason with Mando and show it was his rightful armor. Then, he was willing to strike the deal where he gets his armor and gives Mando safe passage where he or Fennic doesn't try to collect the bounty on the child. This isn't that difficult to see
In my head it was probably to accommodate for all the different shapes and sizes of aliens there are out there. Like initially yeah it seems silly to have tiny handcuffs until you consider that.
So does Gideon want Grogu simply to revive some former Sith, or to turn Grogu into a Sith weapon as well?
We saw failed cloning experiments in episode 4 that looked a lot like Snoke. They are probably trying to extract midiclorians from Grogu for these clones.
Boba Fett wasn't portrayed as a lethal threat at all in ESB. There wasNo, because the context before ROTJ was ESB where Boba Fett was a lethal threat. Lucas then dispenses him like a gag. I remember a tweet from Pablo Hidalgo comparing Grievous to Boba Fett and Lucas' philosophy of basically demystifying the badass. Boba Fett is supposed to be this great bounty hunter but he has him go out like a chump, Grievous is this lethal general but is then shown as a coward that runs from every fight.
We're going on like....40 years worth of nerd imagination based on that 52 second scene lmao. And now those nerds are grown up and making their own official SW content.
He created a standoff so Mando wouldn't immediately start shooting. Y'all are just arguing to argue over stuff that is shown pretty simplyWould this be before or after he ordered a weapon pointed at a child to bargain for a piece of armor?
I literally yelled this.
The problem with the way they portrayed Grievous was that, in his first and only appearance before the film, he was presented as being a complete badass. And not just implied, it was very effectively demonstrated. If the intent was really for him to be a jobber, they should have reined in Tartakovsky from writing him as the complete opposite, creative control be damned. You don't get to show us a character and then decide he's not really what you showed us, he's actually something totally different. I'm still kind of miffed we never got a live-action version of that character. Would have made more sense in that case to send a high-ranking Jedi Master like Obi-Wan if he was actually a threat.Hell, arguably Grievous wasn't either because aside from the cartoon where the creator had full creative control regardless of what Lucas intended Grievous was always meant to be a jobber. Like that was always the plan for his character, hence the new CW always portraying him as a jobber.
Doesn't this take place only 5 years after ROtJ? Would Snoke even be around at by this point?
And aren't there like....dozens of Snokes incubating for the Emperor to use?
Watch any part of that cartoon, Gendy went wild with everything he could. It was basically a ROTS commercial where the jedi truly were force gods.The problem with the way they portrayed Grievous was that, in his first and only appearance before the film, he was presented as being a complete badass. And not just implied, it was very effectively demonstrated. If the intent was really for him to be a jobber, they should have reined in Tartakovsky from writing him as the complete opposite, creative control be damned. You don't get to show us a character and then decide he's not really what you showed us, he's actually something totally different. I'm still kind of miffed we never got a live-action version of that character. Would have made more sense in that case to send a high-ranking Jedi Master like Obi-Wan if he was actually a threat.
I think Boba's actions make sense because he's clearly changed over the years. What I don't understand is the cold blooded, self-interested assassin going from being willing to murder a baby to wanting to rescue the baby over the course of a few hours.
He wasn't intending to steal it back. Bobba could've just strafed Mando and be done with it, or go hand to hand when he ambushed Mando. Bobba wanted to reason with Mando and show it was his rightful armor. Then, he was willing to strike the deal where he gets his armor and gives Mando safe passage where he or Fennic doesn't try to collect the bounty on the child. This isn't that difficult to see
The bolded, for me, is not a bug, it's a feature. Reputations are by definition not the things that are true, just things that are said about you. It's the truth twisted, exaggerated, or even falsefied. "How does a bounty hunter become renowned and feared with a relationship to the right hand of the emperor" is something that makes me actually want to hear how such a thing came to happen. If the answer to the question "Why is the rumored to be this cold, effective bounty hunter" is "Because that is what he is", then that is really boring to me. Narrative-wise, I might as well not have heard it as a rumor then, because I would have preferred to discover how such a thing happened myself.I don't think so because then you have to wonder how Boba Fett became the most feared and respected Bounty Hunter in the galaxy pre-Sarlaac pit trip. It was Boba that Vader turned to when he needed something obtained quietly outside of the Emperor's ears.
Boba Fett wasn't portrayed as a lethal threat at all in ESB. There was
-Vader specifically telling him, "No disintegrations"
&
-Him talking back to Vader
Mando wouldn't start shooting regardless because Mando wasn't looking for a fight. Literally all Boba had to say was "Hey, I'm mandalorian too." as soon as he got Mando's attention. It's just this very contrived situation where he puts a child in the crosshair so as to make it a standoff when it doesn't have to be one at all, and then have their alliance justified by an arbitrary debt that makes no actual sense when Boba Fett could have just been friendly and explained "Hey, this is my armor, I'm a mando to, check out my registry thing, kay thanks".He created a standoff so Mando wouldn't immediately start shooting. Y'all are just arguing to argue over stuff that is shown pretty simply
Was looking for this earlier today:
So it turned out she did come across them filming this episode, that's cool.
I literally showed you proof that Lucas literally retconned his death because he wanted the character to actually live up to expectations he never intended the character to have. 😅 It's ok to be wrong. Note the same creatives running the show now believe that DOTF had some grand meaning about deciding Anakin's fate and that Darth Maul would've taken Anakin.Your ignoring the subtext. Vader telling him "no disintegrations" is meant to key the audience in that this guy is so badass even Vader has to reign him in. The talking back is also significant since Vader spend the entire film choking to death anyone who fails him or tries to say anything against his thoughts. Boba Fett freely talks back without any fear, further cluing the audience in that this guy is not your average mook.