The Battle of Exegol in SW Episode 9 is fricking outrageous
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For a guy who had so much foresight to have clones ready in the event that he "died" the first time, you would think he would know better than to literally kill himself with his own lightning. Lol. All those years of planning and he offs himself, I guess you could say
Same scenario for me. After TLJ I was kind of confused as to how they could actually follow up on it, but felt like depending on how they nail the series ending it could possibly work. I actually like a lot of JJ's work, but yeah the story in Ep 9 is shockingly bad.
its not slow, the supremacy actually comes in front of the resistance fleet,, they aren't going at the same speed, they deployed TIE fighters, the resistance fleet destroyed them, because the supremacy couldn't prover cover fire, the Raddus had special shields, most of the time, you need a human to be able to disable the control protocols that prevent ships of doing kamikaze things.
For a guy who had so much foresight to have clones ready in the event that he "died" the first time, you would think he would know better than to literally kill himself with his own lightning. Lol. All those years of planning and he offs himself, I guess you could say
Let's be honest, there is no going back from climaxing.
At least Crystal Skull had a semi decent first half that felt like it was in the Indy universe - somewhat at least.
SW Episode 9 starts off with Palpy being back from the dead after having announced his return in Fortnite and then Hyperspace skipping! So it immediately jumps off a cliff in the first 5 minutes.
Indiana Jones 4 =
Fate of Atlantis for me. Kingdom of the Crystal Skull is Indy 5
The really bad thing is that so many part of the sequels could have fit more easily into each other if even the tiniest amount of thought went into it.
Starkiller base is just a deathsat that is the size of a slightly larger moon, inexplicably has an ecosystem and atmosphere and looks like a pokeball. It could have been something better. Imagine if starkiller base was the star forge from KOTOR. Suddenly you have an answer for where all the FO ships come from. And instead of just ripping off a new hope, the race to kill starkiller base would be more about taking away the main factory for the first order's war machine.
The supremacy deadnought in the expanded fiction is supposed to function as a mobile factory. You can even see little slots in the back where star destroyers pop out. That's a neat concept for the bad guys ship. Naturally TLJ uses it as a super duper star destroyer that inexplicably has only like 5 guns on the whole thing.
Starkiller base is just a deathsat that is the size of a slightly larger moon, inexplicably has an ecosystem and atmosphere and looks like a pokeball. It could have been something better. Imagine if starkiller base was the star forge from KOTOR. Suddenly you have an answer for where all the FO ships come from. And instead of just ripping off a new hope, the race to kill starkiller base would be more about taking away the main factory for the first order's war machine.
The supremacy deadnought in the expanded fiction is supposed to function as a mobile factory. You can even see little slots in the back where star destroyers pop out. That's a neat concept for the bad guys ship. Naturally TLJ uses it as a super duper star destroyer that inexplicably has only like 5 guns on the whole thing.
The original Palpatine trilogy movies are still the best. There are some good moments in the sequel and prequel Palpatine movies, but that's about it.
inexplicable????
seriously????
LOL
people really are bad at watching movies
If we're complaining about Star Wars numbers, can we discuss how the number of clones in the prequels never made sense? There were like a few million clones? Fighting across a galaxy with tens or hundreds of thousands of inhabited planets would require billions of soldiers.
They should have just said fuck it and gone full on anime and done some Gun Buster shit with Rey obliterating hundreds of ships with a single attack in an insane CG light show.
If you look closely he actually did stop the lightning stream, the energy just keeps coming from Avatar Rey's sabers for....reasons.
Sheev's actual dumbest move was announcing his return cause he signed a contract with Fortnite instead of waiting a day for his fleet to rise up and wipe everyone out before they could plan/prepare. Prequel Sheev would be ashamed of TROS Sheev.
Even if someone absolutely hated TLJ at least that movie only removed stuff from the storyline (Rey's Parents, Luke, Snoke, Blue Lightsaber).
TROS added so much stupid shit (Palpatine Res, Rey Palpatine, Star Destroyers R Us, Snoke Clones???, Planet Destroying Ship Attachment, Sith Trooper Daycare) that it's going to be hard for someone to course correct in the future unless they do a time jump.
TROS added so much stupid shit (Palpatine Res, Rey Palpatine, Star Destroyers R Us, Snoke Clones???, Planet Destroying Ship Attachment, Sith Trooper Daycare) that it's going to be hard for someone to course correct in the future unless they do a time jump.
I guess we're supposed to assume that every member aboard the Final Order ships are Sith Cultists? I mean, I don't see how they can be clones, given that cloning is pretty well documented in the Star Wars universe at this point, and if they had that kind of tech on Exegol surely they could've cloned Palpy a better body, not to mention how badly those Snoke clones turned out. They're clearly not droids either, for obvious reasons. They're not the First Order, because they're a separate, independent entity up to that point. They aren't just random recruits. So they must be cultists, like the ones we see at the in the stadium of the Palpatine and the All Siths concert, here:
I guess that raises the question of why the planet is filled with a Sith worshipping cult, who apparently live underground and probably eat dirt, because there doesn't seem to be resources or plants of any kind on the planet.
But even so, let's say they are all cultists, and they all explode, and the galaxy is saved. Yay. Except, the First Order still controls things, right? I know the movie tries to say "Oh, the First Order joined up with the Final Order for the big battle at the end", but other than General Pryde, we don't see any of them there. And I find it hard to believe that a galaxy conquering force, and its far superior older brother were defeated in a single battle like that. I know by the end of the film the movie wants us to think that First Order = Final Order, as if they've always been one in the same and are interchangeable, but that's really not the case, anymore than Separatists = Empire, just because Palpatine had a role in both.
I guess that raises the question of why the planet is filled with a Sith worshipping cult, who apparently live underground and probably eat dirt, because there doesn't seem to be resources or plants of any kind on the planet.
But even so, let's say they are all cultists, and they all explode, and the galaxy is saved. Yay. Except, the First Order still controls things, right? I know the movie tries to say "Oh, the First Order joined up with the Final Order for the big battle at the end", but other than General Pryde, we don't see any of them there. And I find it hard to believe that a galaxy conquering force, and its far superior older brother were defeated in a single battle like that. I know by the end of the film the movie wants us to think that First Order = Final Order, as if they've always been one in the same and are interchangeable, but that's really not the case, anymore than Separatists = Empire, just because Palpatine had a role in both.
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Boy that battle was so awesome holy shit
I prefer the Star Wars Story films to the sequels in general, but that's a topic for another day
correct, the sith colonized and brainwashed/radicalized everyone in the planet, so they support the "sith cause"
by the way this is not something that palpatine "just did", apparently exegol has a long of time being like this
Gonna derail the convo a bit but lately I've been thinking about what the next trilogy could be like. Personally I think it's time for the franchise to move beyond the simple Jedi/Sith/Stormtroopers triad. Say what you want about George's prequels but at least they introduced new iconography and mythology into the franchise (I have a soft spot for clankers).
Hot take: time to ditch the stormtroopers and create a new iconic cannon fodder enemy.
KOTOR introduced new things like an advanced ancient alien race. Clone Wars added mysterious Force Wielders into the mix. It's time for the next trilogy to think outside the box and stop repeating the original trilogy's beats and visual language.
If I wrote episode 7 I would have experimented with a stable New Republic falling apart to terrorism and guerrilla tactics, basically the inverse of the OT, just to provide something different. Not regurgitate the OT in cynically lazy fashion like JJ did.
One of my friends speaks really highly of the old Lucasarts games. Wish I could go back in time and make kid me play them.
I don't really disagree with any of these points besides the poe piloting thing. Poe is shown to be the best pilot ever so it makes some sense he can do things that others cannot. It fits into the theme of individual heroics aren't going to win the war and it's about being a leader of people.
The rest of it I agree with but I think the answer to each of them is to be cool. The bomber scene was dope and a straight homage to sw being ww2 dog fighting. The holdo maneuver of course is BS and falls a part on inspection but it's such a cool shot. Most if not all of these dumb but cool things also contribute to the character story being told.
While seeing the film I just assumed the spectators were some force thing Palpatine was doing to make things more dramatic and stroke his ego, but no, then the *lore* came and just had to explain it so apparently there's just this massive Sith cult that all exploded when Palpatine died? Lmao
Filoni is already hard at work with his Star Wars era unfucking powers.
Mando Season 2 at least explores a bit of Snoke's origins
I lost it when they started riding fucking horses on the Star Destroyers. Such a stupid ass thing
Like Zordon dying at the end of Power Rangers in Space, and killing every baddy out there an purifying the big bads in the process
all of the fights in the last jedi were better than any of the fights in rise of skywalker because there were character motivations behind them and stakes involved.
same goes for the force awakens honestly. for all the crap that film gets about being a retread of a new hope, at least it wasn't this 100% pure fanwank about the force and was much more centralized on people.
why?
they have used mounts before, what was the problem this time?
When I first saw the film, I thought they were some sort of Sith or dark side equivalent to Force Ghosts (as canon breaking as that may be). Some sort of demonic legion, or physical manifeston of the dark supporting old Palps. Alas, the truth was just as dumb, but not nearly as cool.
Because it just added to the nonsense stupidity of the whole movie. Riding on horses on the hull of a ship that's taking off into orbit. Why not just land closer to the part they needed to be at and blow it up?
It just felt like one of those times where JJ said "this would be fun" and went for it
this has very strong "why they didnt use the Eagles to fly to Mordor" vibes
they landed as close as they could, and the distance wasn't reachable in time by foot.
do you need the movie to spell it out for you?
hell, it may have been said in the film but i really dont remembert, lol
feels like something Finn would shout.
A lack of tension too, like when Rey confronts Palpatine, you know she's isn't going to become empress and kill him willingly, in TLJ you're unsure how Rey will act, whether she'll join Kylo, after facing her parents were nobodies. I don't believe Rey would join Ren, but in the moment you're unsure and it could end on a cliffhanger. In my opinion that's good storytelling.
I hated Exogol because of all the stated reasons, but it was also logically inconsistent. Ok, so Palps has a giant fleet. How did he create all that? He survived death? Ok how? How is he operating this fleet? It's just bananas level of nonsense made even worse by the fact that existing Star Wars lore could've answered some of these ideas with the Star Forge or cloning. Yet neither of those are mentioned in favor of having more Macguffins than necessary.
i think the problem is that people seem to think that Palpatine created or conquered exegol after he was killed or something.
but "anciente secret villain hideout" is like one of the oldest tropes in the book.
Exegol already existed even before Episode 1
That's fine, you just need a throw away line in dialogue. Hell, the scene already exists between Palps and Kylo. Just spend the time there instead of "they can fly? They can fly!"
they certainly wasting more time explaining other things.
but i think they do mention that exegol is the "secret ancient sith planet of legend" so yeah
*Rey goes to kill him*
Palpatine: "My plan is for you to kill me so that my spirit will inhabit you!"
Like, if he had said nothing, he would have won.
It still seems more like "this would make a cool scene" than something that was feasible, though.
And they won because they designed a cannon to be able to fire on the bridge of it's own ship.
Still not as stupid as randomly finding a knife that when held at the exact right spot at the exact right angle if the death star throne room is intact shows you where something is. Also it killed Rey's parents.
wait, what? They were *real*?
Fucking hell.
When I watched this car crash of a movie I legit thought they were symbolic or, as you said, Force Ghost equivalents or whatever. But no, apparently they were all actual Sith Cultists all gathered and cheering in some sort of arena.
Damn.
I fucking HAAAATE this film. Yes, it's the absolute worst in the entire saga. Even AOTC has redeemable qualities and not just the memes we got out of it.
That being said, I will always be ready to disect and deconstruct RoS. It's FASCINATINGLY bad.
That being said, I will always be ready to disect and deconstruct RoS. It's FASCINATINGLY bad.
It looked fucking dumb is what it boils down to whatever the in universe explanation.
Kinda telling that the sequel trilogy didn't have even one space battle as cool as what we got in Rogue One.
Everything about episode 9 is just super stupid and silly from the constant McGuffin chasing, the "this dagger looks exactly like the landscape when held sideways only at a certain point on land" to the fact that the Emperor's ships can't apparently just ... go up... by themselves to a bunch of fucking space horses being used to board a destroyer and the ship not just wiggling sideways a bit to throw them all off.
Its all so dumb its funny, you could spend more time discussing how dumb everything in the movie was than the actual run time of the movie.
Its all so dumb its funny, you could spend more time discussing how dumb everything in the movie was than the actual run time of the movie.
