I'm torn on this. I feel that sometimes it works, other times it doesn't at all. I haven't seen Tenet and probably won't until it's out of theaters, but it was a serious problem in Interstellar. Legitimately could not understand a large portion of the dialogue the first time I watched it. I don't remember it being an issue with TDKR but I saw it at a midnight release in a normal theater. Bane's voice was always pretty spotty though.
With Dunkirk, I saw it in IMAX and I thought it worked well because there wasn't a whole lot of dialogue and the loud gunshots and plane engine sounds helped with the immersion of being in the middle of a war quite a bit. The constant barrage of sounds all the way up until the moment at the end when the two soldiers get on the train and the sound completely stops was pretty crazy. I don't know, I just thought it was neat. You felt the same moment of relief that the soldiers felt having all sounds of the gunshots/sirens/bombs dropping stop when they get on the train and it's just complete silence. At the same time, it's one of those movies that loses a lot of its appeal when you see it at home rather than in IMAX.
i bet it's something like he has those $34,000 headphones and mixes for them and it sounds perfect in his ears but everyone else gets shafted for not having the most optimal audio hardware and it's all of our fault lol
I'm not in the US and I have never had this problem with a Nolan flick in a cinema. I literally don't know what people are complaining about in this thread? I only have a stereo output at home or I have watched with headphones (shure 1840s) and all the stereo mixes are excellent. A lot of this sounds like a home surround system problem to me; I wonder if the stereo mixes are better for people?I think part of it is I feel most movie theaters are pumping the volume too high on everything nowadays.
I'm not in the US and I have never had this problem with a Nolan flick in a cinema. I literally don't know what people are complaining about in this thread? I only have a stereo output at home or I have watched with headphones (shure 1840s) and all the stereo mixes are excellent. A lot of this sounds like a home surround system problem to me; I wonder if the stereo mixes are better for people?
Does anyone know if US theaters are using limiters on their outputs to push up the volume or something? I wasn't planning to go and see Tenet because of covid but I might go along just to test this.
Admittedly Dunkirk is the only Nolan film I haven't seen in a cinema; the stereo mix sounded fine to me tho.I watched Dunkirk at a UK iMax and the sound levels were ridiculous.
Nolan needs to be told he's not perfect it's absurd that his movies can go through so many people like this. If it is an intentional choice like the sound mixer said then it's a terrible one. That's no excuse.
There's a scene in Tenet where two people are standing on the deck of a ship at sea discussing really important things. The camera is close to them, and it's still a mumbling mess with important plot points getting missed as you're not quite sure what they just said. It's indefensibly bad. It's the equivalent of a book being shoddily printed so badly that words are faded out and them telling you there's nothing wrong with it.Count me as one of the people that actually enjoys it. The scenes were this happens are supposed to be overwhelming and voices get drowned out by things that in real life should be way louder than the voices. In a way, it makes you actually try to read someone's lips and look for visual cues to aid you as you would if talking to someone next to loud machinery etc. It's actually jarring when the opposite happens and the dynamic range is so compressed that voices and gunshots or explosions are about the same volume.
I'm not in the US and I have never had this problem with a Nolan flick in a cinema. I literally don't know what people are complaining about in this thread? I only have a stereo output at home or I have watched with headphones (shure 1840s) and all the stereo mixes are excellent. A lot of this sounds like a home surround system problem to me; I wonder if the stereo mixes are better for people?
Does anyone know if US theaters are using limiters on their outputs to push up the volume or something? I wasn't planning to go and see Tenet because of covid but I might go along just to test this.
That must have left an impression. To be fair, Dunkirk was the only time I've seen members in the audience actually wince due to the volume. (And the only time I've ever needed earplugs.)
I was completely unprepared. Immediately after landing back in my seat I realised I was fucked. Stuck it out and glad I did (giant panning shots aside) but in no way did the ridiculous volume enhance the experience.That must have left an impression. To be fair, Dunkirk was the only time I've seen members in the audience actually wince due to the volume. (And the only time I've ever needed earplugs.)
I have been wondering about this myself because I have never had any problem with the sound mixing in Nolan films. Sure they are on the louder side but definitely not "have-to-wear-earplugs loud". I haven't noticed dialogue being especially muddled or unclear either. I'm in Finland where only children's stuff gets dubbed..Are you watching dubs? Maybe foreign distributers fixed the mixes.
Also, where are you finding stereo mixes?
There's a scene in Tenet where two people are standing on the deck of a ship at sea discussing really important things. The camera is close to them, and it's still a mumbling mess with important plot points getting missed as you're not quite sure what they just said. It's indefensibly bad. It's the equivalent of a book being shoddily printed so badly that words are faded out and them telling you there's nothing wrong with it.
You can have a dynamic audio mix, and a believable one but still make the clearly important dialogue understandable.
I'm not in the US and I have never had this problem with a Nolan flick in a cinema. I literally don't know what people are complaining about in this thread? I only have a stereo output at home or I have watched with headphones (shure 1840s) and all the stereo mixes are excellent. A lot of this sounds like a home surround system problem to me; I wonder if the stereo mixes are better for people?
Does anyone know if US theaters are using limiters on their outputs to push up the volume or something? I wasn't planning to go and see Tenet because of covid but I might go along just to test this.
I saw it in Odeon on an iSense screen which as someone else stated is apparently an Atmos mix. I was on the back row. Even in the scene I mentioned the dialogue was rather quiet and difficult to understand everything said. In other moments where the music was louder it was even worse. I don't know what to say, my hearing is reasonably good, no known issues, but I personally couldn't decipher a lot of the dialogue, and it was super important in this film which is rather complex to begin with.I absolutely did not have a problem with dialogue outside of action scenes in Tenet, not sure why you (or others here) did. The usual quiet dialogue scenes were very clear to me and sounded like any other movie.
It will just default to a stereo mix once you have your outputs to stereo. No I'm not watching dubs. Stereo mixes and surround mixes are mixed independently. IMO surround sound is a massive investment to do right; most people have untreated rooms and they are going to have massive problems with imaging and dynamics, for the average Joe it's not worth the expense, time and effort. Getting a decent stereo setup is hard enough. If I were a millionaire I would be enjoying my movies in a home theater... but I'm not.Are you watching dubs? Maybe foreign distributers fixed the mixes.
Also, where are you finding stereo mixes?
Yeah, this happens for dubs, the dialogue is given a greater role in movies / TV; often I watch dubbed English media for this very reason, sound is clearer and not muffled at all.Are you watching dubs? Maybe foreign distributers fixed the mixes.
It proves that you'll believe any old shit if you've not seen Prisencolinensinainciusol, I thinkI'm probably not the target audience but holy shit that video is stupid. They're just mumbling and throwing a coherent word out there every now and then. I can do the same exact thing with Arabic or Polish, but what exactly is it even proving?