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Posting this for vibes and genuinely no other reason.
Because Republicans weren't all batshit crazy then and most of them were shitty but reasonable and negotiable. The Senate in 2022 looks absolutely nothing like the Senate in 2010, they may as well be completely different institutions despite how many people have held their seats since then. Obama spent all his political capitol on 1 half-baked bill, there is no universe in which he could have gotten 50 votes to eliminate the filibuster.But why wasn't killing the filibuster a priority in Obama's first term? Why should we assume it will happen if we have 52 when it didn't happen with 59? I just don't have faith that there is always one more Dem Senator willing to torpedo any real change waiting in the wings.
I'm pretty sure the most frustrating part of the whole thing is that many people will be forced to undergo potentially dangerous illegal abortion procedures or give birth to children they don't want.
So you just believe that Dems don't want to change anything ever?
Despite them constantly trying to do so and being stonewalled everytime by Republicans?
See this is the bullshit myopia I'm talking about.
"Oh it's not immediate so it's worthless." I can't explain it to you further than that.
Of course they're already trotting out the false equivalences. Fuck off, Marge.
They were trying to stick with swing states alone which by in large is kind of dumb.I'd argue the main reasons we have this problem are that ~40% of the population supports, or at least is okay with, fascism; and the institutions of this country are designed to reward them with 50+% of political representation, despite consistently getting out-voted.
Ignoring the fact that voting is literally less effective for the left than the right doesn't help either. Obviously it's not completely useless (yet) and it's absolutely necessary, at the very least for harm reduction. I'll never advocate for not voting and I do my best to get my peers to turn out (and most do!).
But constantly harping on people who are justifiably apathetic or disillusioned with Democrats, yet still overwhelmingly vote for Democrats anyway, without acknowledging the institutional hurdles rigging the game against us, does not strike me as any more productive than the people saying "fuck dems."
You can't just gaslight people. The left already, consistently out-votes Republicans. It needs to be acknowledged that the game is rigged, and Dem leaders need to loudly push for plans to address that, and actually act on them when they have power, if we want to seriously combat the apathy. Removing the filibuster, ditching the Electoral College, addressing voting rights, etc.
Just telling people who are feeling frustrated or disillusioned, who are likely already voting, that they just need to vote harder probably isn't helping much of anything.
I'll just quote myself from earlier in the thread:
Agreed that local elections need a lot more work. It's something I'm always talking about in my friend group. But a couple things:
- A lot (and I mean a LOT) of those uncontested races are in rural towns and counties where the population is overwhelmingly terrible, right wing fucks. Fact is, while not a majority, there are a TON of absolute pieces of shit in this country, and they're spread out over a ton of counties, while left leaning people tend to cluster into a smaller number of dense areas.
- The lack of attention to local races is just as much a failing of the party leadership as it is the party voters, if not moreso, tbh. Howard Dean had the right idea strategically, but like you said, the party writ large hasn't really stuck to that.
No one in Maine will remember this in 2026 assuming that the US federal government still exists then
I'm referring to the current makeup of the supreme court and how much Donald Trump has wrecked this country over the last six plus years.
It's so easy for this nation to regress but so difficult for it to progress.that fucking prick in 4 years set the country up to regress back for decades
Because Republicans weren't all batshit crazy then and most of them were shitty but reasonable and negotiable. The Senate in 2022 looks absolutely nothing like the Senate in 2010, they may as well be completely different institutions despite how many people have held their seats since then. Obama spent all his political capitol on 1 half-baked bill, there is no universe in which he could have gotten 50 votes to eliminate the filibuster.
I'm thinking that when the reality of what this means and then that reality is out in practice, people won't forget because the real world impacts will be in their faces.
People forget that a big reason Roe even made it to the Supreme Court and was ruled on was because women were dying due to having unsafe abortions. Just because you make something illegal doesn't mean it will stop happening and what we're seeing here is the same situation being brought forth that caused a lot of women and young girls to die in back alley abortion clinics. When people start losing their daughters and children because they got an abortion due to a rape and died on the table, and that didn't have to happen, there will be lived impacted.
Then again, this is the same country that stands by as children are slaughtered in mass shootings so maybe not.
I mean.....they're right. They would 100% do that and it's not even a question.I like to believe they do, but I won't be shocked if more come out and say stuff like "we can't kill the filibuster because the Republicans will abuse it when they get into power".
Answer; most of them.At this point we are speed running which state will be Gilead.
By never putting it in federal law, both sides can use it as a bargaining chip to sway voters into temporary action, forever.I have another dumb question, why weren't abortion rights embedded into federal law after Roe v Wade? Why leave something so important as case law that as we now see can be overturn?
5. It was "not the highest legislative priority."1. He had total control of both chambers for 4 months (9/24/09 - 2/4/10).
2. One of those 60 votes was Lieberman.
3. He did not have 60 votes to codify Roe v Wade even amongst Democrats
4. LBJ (bully pulpit messaging from earlier in this thread) couldn't even wrangle his own super majority to pass the Civil Rights Act (~24 D Senators voted against it), Obama wouldn't have been able to lose a single Senator.
They were nothing like they are now. My point is just that there is no universe in which anyone could get 50 votes to nuke the filibuster in 2010 nor is there a universe in which they could have gotten 50 votes to codify Roe. Shit sucks but that's the way it was, to argue otherwise is to be ignorant of history.But they were batshit crazy. The ACA was a Republican solution. How many of them voted for it?
Aliens announce themselves (and hopefully don't wipe us out)Right, but due to propaganda they'll be alone in their suffering. They'll become The Other. The outcast.
Just like those parents.
Most humans just. Don't. Give-a-fuck. About other humans. We're social on a village level at best, and it ends there. You can trick people into thinking about larger things on a village scale sometimes, but it's really hard. It's easier to get them scared of nebulous threats.
It's our problem with getting so fucking global: we struggle with city-wide empathy, moreso nationwide, and struggle incomprehensibly planet-scale.
So the bigger we get, the less we comprehend, and the more we lose sight of ourselves.
We have entire national systems attempting suicide every two or three generations because we can't spend time with our own species, and try again once we forget the attempt. I honestly don't know how we fix this.
But why wasn't killing the filibuster a priority in Obama's first term? Why should we assume it will happen if we have 52 when it didn't happen with 59? I just don't have faith that there is always one more Dem Senator willing to torpedo any real change waiting in the wings.
Because he didn't have the votes.
At this point we are speed running which state will be Gilead.
Hell, the Republicans are abusing the filibuster right now and are blocking most legislation that permits it.I mean.....they're right. They would 100% do that and it's not even a question.
I'll post this again:
Why vote? Look at the states that have protections for abortion already in place. Voting at the state and local levels matter just as much, if not more, as every 4 years.
I mean.....they're right. They would 100% do that and it's not even a question.
I think with two more and holding the house it will get killed. No way it doesn't. This will affect so many more people that if we get two no WAY will it stand. I also expect at that point the court being expanded and DC becoming a state. Anything less is not acceptable. And I do think this reality of it happening will be a match to ignite everything. It's why smart Republicans are saying nothing and always wanted this to be their "white whale " because it was a constant fire to their voting block and the other side never took voting as serious as they should have, ignored the pleas and warnings of the oppressed and depressed, telling us we were alarmist or wanting too much too fast. Well now it's happened, and it's just the beginning. People like Alito and Thomas are cocky smug bastards and think shit won't go down. I think they are wrong.So should we not count on the filibuster getting killed even if we get 2 more Senators? Will we need 60, or even then, we'll be so close, we won't bother. Then Sinema and Manchin will be back in play? I'm just of the mind that we have to look at when we historically had an opportunity, and make sure we don't miss that kind of window if it happens in the future. We need to be ready to ram everything through even if we only have 3 months to do it.
Yeah but something something not immediate something something lazy Dems something something Joe Manchin.Voting doesn't change anything they say as abortion is immediately banned in only red/purple states.
I can literally literally draw you a fucking goddamn map to show you what voting changes.
Dems have never even come close to "winning every election," and the only states that banned abortion today are the ones controlled by Republicans.i love politics in america. i could vote for democrats and they could win every election and republicans still get everything they want while dems go "wow, i can't believe that happened?!?!" and post a video about Lin Manual Miranda badly rapping about some shit
Be safe. I'm at one right now, it definitely has a different vibe than others I've been at.
If and when I get the chance I'll be right there with ya.
i love politics in america. i could vote for democrats and they could win every election and republicans still get everything they want while dems go "wow, i can't believe that happened?!?!" and post a video about Lin Manual Miranda badly rapping about some shit
That's actually a good thing though
If Dems won every elections how would this still happen?i love politics in america. i could vote for democrats and they could win every election and republicans still get everything they want while dems go "wow, i can't believe that happened?!?!" and post a video about Lin Manual Miranda badly rapping about some shit
They must look like pretzels with their twists and turns.The false equivalence in this thread is something else God damn
YesSo does this mean anything not in the constitution could be removed like healthcare and education?