Gotcha my bad.
Gotcha my bad.
The "fuck the Dems" mentality ITT could not more perfectly encapsulate why the right was able to succeed at this.
Conservative evangelicals and Republicans have been on the anti-abortion crusade for *50 years*. And across those five decades, did they ever say fuck the GOP? Did they blast both parties as the same? Did they seriously threaten to vote third party or form a new party or not vote at all? Did they say they would flee the country or burn the system down?
No. They spent 50 years mobilizing voters, electing as many anti-abortion Republicans as they could, kicking those who weren't sufficiently anti-abortion out of the party. They played an extremely long game and won it because they never kept their eye off the ball: that the key to making policy is winning elections. Meanwhile, so many progressive and other left-of-center voters basically spend every two years looking for an excuse not to vote.
Voting doesn't not work; it works extremely well! What doesn't work is this constant attitude of trying to take yourself out of the equation. And it's frustrating that so many on the left still can't learn this lesson when the right is teaching it to us all the time.
The "fuck the Dems" mentality ITT could not more perfectly encapsulate why the right was able to succeed at this.
Conservative evangelicals and Republicans have been on the anti-abortion crusade for *50 years*. And across those five decades, did they ever say fuck the GOP? Did they blast both parties as the same? Did they seriously threaten to vote third party or form a new party or not vote at all? Did they say they would flee the country or burn the system down?
No. They spent 50 years mobilizing voters, electing as many anti-abortion Republicans as they could, kicking those who weren't sufficiently anti-abortion out of the party. They played an extremely long game and won it because they never took their eye off the ball: that the key to making policy is winning elections. No politician was too odious to ally with. Donald Trump should've been the most obvious candidate to run away from; instead they pledged their full support to him and had it pay off dividends. Meanwhile, so many progressive and other left-of-center voters basically spend every two years looking for an excuse not to vote.
Voting doesn't not work; it works extremely well! What doesn't work is this constant attitude of trying to take yourself out of the equation. And it's frustrating that so many on the left still can't learn this lesson when the right is teaching it to us all the time.
She also wasnt wrong when she called Trump supporters deplorables.
I can't blame them, but it will inevitably lead to further suffering.Depressing that the take away from this for a lot of people is "there's no point in voting anymore."
Gotta get rid of those abortion pillsThe right to Contraception is under attack. Think of how bonkers that fucking is.
"No Democratic president cares about pushing their agenda" is so objectively untrue that I don't know how to refute it without just copying and pasting Wikipedia pages of congressional votes!I mean... obviously? But no democratic president has seemed to even care to push the agenda. Just because they aren't the ones that can make the change doesn't mean they can't put their voice behind it. I guess I'll just vote harder next time :)
Exactly. This is much more succinct than how I put it lolIf I'm Republican reading this thread, im ecstatic. We stripe rights away from minorities and you all blame the black man and white woman? Excellent. Time for gay marriage next.
Like holy shit, can we get our heads in the game? It is 2022. This is happening now, regardless of why we're here. What's next?
Yeah, the 5-4 decision to overturn Roe would've been super different to the 6-3 decision today /s
The court, in a 6-3 ruling powered by its conservative majority, upheld a Republican-backed Mississippi law that bans abortion after 15 weeks. The vote was 5-4 to overturn Roe, with Chief Justice John Roberts writing separately to say he would have upheld the Mississippi law but not taken the additional step of erasing the precedent altogether.
Yeah, the 5-4 decision to overturn Roe would've been super different to the 6-3 decision today /s
I mean... obviously? But no democratic president has seemed to even care to push the agenda. Just because they aren't the ones that can make the change doesn't mean they can't put their voice behind it. I guess I'll just vote harder next time :)
As much as I dislike Hilary Clinton, this is a big fucking "I told y'all so." moment.
The "fuck the Dems" mentality ITT could not more perfectly encapsulate why the right was able to succeed at this.
Conservative evangelicals and Republicans have been on the anti-abortion crusade for *50 years*. And across those five decades, did they ever say fuck the GOP? Did they blast both parties as the same? Did they seriously threaten to vote third party or form a new party or not vote at all? Did they say they would flee the country or burn the system down?
No. They spent 50 years mobilizing voters, electing as many anti-abortion Republicans as they could, kicking those who weren't sufficiently anti-abortion out of the party. They played an extremely long game and won it because they never took their eye off the ball: that the key to making policy is winning elections. No politician was too odious to ally with. Donald Trump should've been the most obvious candidate to run away from; instead they pledged their full support to him and had it pay off dividends. Meanwhile, so many progressive and other left-of-center voters basically spend every two years looking for an excuse not to vote.
Voting doesn't not work; it works extremely well! What doesn't work is this constant attitude of trying to take yourself out of the equation. And it's frustrating that so many on the left still can't learn this lesson when the right is teaching it to us all the time.
Not in a few weeks. To my knowledge there is not a pending case. Need a case in front of them so maybe a year.
Depressing that the take away from this for a lot of people is "there's no point in voting anymore."
Ok so then it would have been 5-4, still overturned. Unless Mitch McConnell tried to screw the Dems out of two seats at once.
the only Justice to mention cases like Griswold, Lawrence, or Obergefell was Thomas in his concurrenceah but this opens up floodgates with other cases like the right to contraception?
She was, but IDK that anyone else would've beaten trump in the primary that year, with or without her helpShe was wrong in going with a pied piper strategy.
Choose the candidate that could coalesce republican and fringe groups was on her and her team along with the media not the voters.
And yet it's effective for Republicans? That's because going to the polls once and awhile because it's "popular" isn't enough. Look at the voting records of most republicans. They go out and vote WAY MORE THAN your average democrat.
Not just that either. Control of the legislature at the State level is absolutely on the ballots in many many many states, and one party is going to look to restrict abortion access and one is going to look to protect it.She's right though. There needs to be more Dems in the Senate to get thing done.
Women and Minority groups are 24/7 under attack. It's the Dems fault for not being pro-active in protecting these groups. They are a flaccid reactionary party.Get the fuck out of here with this shit. Have you even paid attention the last 5 years or has your head been up your ass the whole damn time? This is on Trump voters, non voters and protest voters. Period. If Trump never becomes president RoeVwade still stands.
I get it; in hindsight she should've realized the risk of staying on past Obama's term.Yeah, the 5-4 decision to overturn Roe would've been super different to the 6-3 decision today /s
That post isn't even accurate. As we should definitely be aware of now, he needed 60 votes. Or 50 to get rid of the filibuster which really wasn't a talking point at all at the time.Obama had 59 votes. There were 5 or 6 that were the Blue Dog Dems. You're saying Harry Reid couldn't whip up 51 votes?
Absolutely devastating, I feel for you guys, get out there and protest y'all.
Quoting this again for truthThe "fuck the Dems" mentality ITT could not more perfectly encapsulate why the right was able to succeed at this.
Conservative evangelicals and Republicans have been on the anti-abortion crusade for *50 years*. And across those five decades, did they ever say fuck the GOP? Did they blast both parties as the same? Did they seriously threaten to vote third party or form a new party or not vote at all? Did they say they would flee the country or burn the system down?
No. They spent 50 years mobilizing voters, electing as many anti-abortion Republicans as they could, kicking those who weren't sufficiently anti-abortion out of the party. They played an extremely long game and won it because they never took their eye off the ball: that the key to making policy is winning elections. No politician was too odious to ally with. Donald Trump should've been the most obvious candidate to run away from; instead they pledged their full support to him and had it pay off dividends. Meanwhile, so many progressive and other left-of-center voters basically spend every two years looking for an excuse not to vote.
Voting doesn't not work; it works extremely well! What doesn't work is this constant attitude of trying to take yourself out of the equation. And it's frustrating that so many on the left still can't learn this lesson when the right is teaching it to us all the time.
When are people going to realize that Republicans DO NOT CARE if there are protests?Is there going to be massive protests in America? We would riot here and burn this shit down. If Americans don't do shit you deserve your fate.
I know you've been quoted a bunch, but thank you for the post. Spot on.The "fuck the Dems" mentality ITT could not more perfectly encapsulate why the right was able to succeed at this.
Conservative evangelicals and Republicans have been on the anti-abortion crusade for *50 years*. And across those five decades, did they ever say fuck the GOP? Did they blast both parties as the same? Did they seriously threaten to vote third party or form a new party or not vote at all? Did they say they would flee the country or burn the system down?
No. They spent 50 years mobilizing voters, electing as many anti-abortion Republicans as they could, kicking those who weren't sufficiently anti-abortion out of the party. They played an extremely long game and won it because they never took their eye off the ball: that the key to making policy is winning elections. No politician was too odious to ally with. Donald Trump should've been the most obvious candidate to run away from; instead they pledged their full support to him and had it pay off dividends. Meanwhile, so many progressive and other left-of-center voters basically spend every two years looking for an excuse not to vote.
Voting doesn't not work; it works extremely well! What doesn't work is this constant attitude of trying to take yourself out of the equation. And it's frustrating that so many on the left still can't learn this lesson when the right is teaching it to us all the time.
Well, the point is to play hardball fuck Mitch and fuck the decorum. Even if the term expired and Mitch wins the senate, well, good luck to him to try and unseat a sitting Supreme Court Judge. That's the play.
She needs to be honest about this. Retaking SCOTUS should be the priority. Democrats need to run on expanding the Court and diminishing the power of Roberts and his ilk who just gutted reproductive rights.
It got his killer convicted. It got Ahmad Arbery's murderers convicted. That wouldn't have happened without them.The George Floyd protests were the largest our country has ever had and beyond his killer being convicted, all it led to in terms of combating systemic racism is.... doubling federal funding for police.
I'm not terribly optimistic
Sure looks like it. Bodily autonomy is dead in this country and we're accelerating at an alarming rate to strip away just about every personal liberty.I'm guessing same sex marriage will be overturned too in a few weeks?
also no more contraception?
They were never going to vote for her anyway.She also wasnt wrong when she called Trump supporters deplorables.
Any resources regarding where and when protests will be organized in major cities? Just sitting here fucking fuming and won't be able to focus on work today
Most likely not. The justification for overturning Roe was that of the implied right to privacy. An Implied right is very different from an actual right codified by law.
Absolutely. The system is fucked and broken and needs to change. That change will probably have to happen outside of the bounds of electoral politics.Republicans have more voting power than Democrats. That's why it's worked for them and not the other way. They aren't on equal ground
She was, but IDK that anyone else would've beaten trump in the primary that year, with or without her help
Putin really succeeded his plot to send the US into a declining spiral.
She just backed an anti abortion candidate under FBI investigation. You know what Pelosi hates more than Roe v Wade being overturned? Leftists.She's right though. There needs to be more Dems in the Senate to get thing done.
6-3. Roberts can write whatever concurrence he wants, he still voted to overturn it.
The "fuck the Dems" mentality ITT could not more perfectly encapsulate why the right was able to succeed at this.
Conservative evangelicals and Republicans have been on the anti-abortion crusade for *50 years*. And across those five decades, did they ever say fuck the GOP? Did they blast both parties as the same? Did they seriously threaten to vote third party or form a new party or not vote at all? Did they say they would flee the country or burn the system down?
No. They spent 50 years mobilizing voters, electing as many anti-abortion Republicans as they could, kicking those who weren't sufficiently anti-abortion out of the party. They played an extremely long game and won it because they never took their eye off the ball: that the key to making policy is winning elections. No politician was too odious to ally with. Donald Trump should've been the most obvious candidate to run away from; instead they pledged their full support to him and had it pay off dividends. Meanwhile, so many progressive and other left-of-center voters basically spend every two years looking for an excuse not to vote.
Voting doesn't not work; it works extremely well! What doesn't work is this constant attitude of trying to take yourself out of the equation. And it's frustrating that so many on the left still can't learn this lesson when the right is teaching it to us all the time.
The court, in a 6-3 ruling powered by its conservative majority, upheld a Republican-backed Mississippi law that bans abortion after 15 weeks. The vote was 5-4 to overturn Roe, with Chief Justice John Roberts writing separately to say he would have upheld the Mississippi law but not taken the additional step of erasing the precedent altogether.