Just found out. Mind is absolutely blown now. Scared out my mind for this Country. Absolute radicalization.
Any word on how this applies to cases of rape?
Up to the individual states. Some will be forced to have the baby.
Just found out. Mind is absolutely blown now. Scared out my mind for this Country. Absolute radicalization.
Any word on how this applies to cases of rape?
They would only need 51 votes to overturn the filibuster. Not that they necessarily would. But if Dems did first, then the lower bar would be there for them to clear.
(This is not an argument in favor of the filibuster btw, just saying that is the downside of getting rid of it)
Ugh. Unreal.
Now Im hearing from many on the radio while driving that a Federal Nationwide Ban is next up…I'm admittedly pretty ignorant on the logistics of what that would require..is that something that could actually realistically happen?
Hyde Amendment... Can't spend federal money on abortions
Even if they could the doctors would just be arrested and jailed as soon as they left federal property.
damn, what are the dems gonna do to fight back?
yeah that tracks
Not hungry enough.
Obama didn't go away, he and the party campaigned on it, the only actual remedy in the system.This is a different topic. I'm talking about a hypothetical situation where Mitch was the President and Obama was the senate majority leader who refused to give President Mitch's SC nominee a hearing. There is no universe where Mitch rolls over and goes away. He would have used every arcane rule to seat his nominee.
No way this would fly in anti abortion states. They would harass the doctors and make it impossible to work.
It's like people just say things without knowing what they are saying cannot happen.Hyde Amendment... Can't spend federal money on abortions
Even if they could the doctors would just be arrested and jailed by the states as soon as they left federal property.
It's a tight rope. If someone gets rid of it then the other side can do whatever they want when they have 50/50 and the president.
I get what you're saying, but those protections are at risk as well. I just don't know anymore, man. It feels like political violence becomes more inevitable everyday, and I would by lying if some dark place deep inside didn't think it would be called for it."before they take more rights away from people less privileged than myself, we should burn down the entire system that protects those marginalized folks and leave them completely alone out in the cold"
If people are actually paying attention and don't suddenlf and collectively forget it should.
This!!
Would Biden maybe have the "right" to do so now? Like on the national stage, would that hurt him or help him now if he said it?
This is bullshit and I feel he should have done it before but he was peddling the "reaching across the isles, I can work with them" bullshit. We know it hasn't worked. Time for plan b?
This is a different topic. I'm talking about a hypothetical situation where Mitch was the President and Obama was the senate majority leader who refused to give President Mitch's SC nominee a hearing. There is no universe where Mitch rolls over and goes away. He would have used every arcane rule to seat his nominee.
I wish I had your optimism but all this shows me is that they have all the momentum in the world. Republicans are getting what they want while democrats have a sitting democratic president that can't get anything done for them. It's emboldening republicans and demoralizing democrats.
All of this is happening because RBG thought she was going to get "The Year of Ruth" during the first year of Hillary's administration with movies, TV specials, books, interviews, and parades culminating in a big retirement ceremony where she handed the baton to her hand picked successor.
Wouldn't fly because the government would have to spend money on the facilities or would have to actively circumvent federal health regulations in order to have them performed.Allow doctors to use Federal land for abortions. They can be volunteers.
Armed securityNo way this would fly in anti abortion states. They would harass the doctors and make it impossible to work.
His response to that:Hyde Amendment... Can't spend federal money on abortions
Even if they could the doctors would just be arrested and jailed by the states as soon as they left federal property. You'd have to fly them in and out by helicopter and even then the doctors would have to never step foot in any red state for the rest of their life.
but how would you protect the women from being arrested once they go out
Nah, just the right and evangelicals.
Dems vote, but you need the filibuster ended and many Senators won't do it.
Also remember, the GOP played the long game. This was decades in the making. Dems get demoralized one election cycle.
honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if people post those pics of Iran in the 70's with women in "western fashions" then Iran now but just be Americans instead.Couple of dark decades ahead for the US. :(
I know it's no solace for those currently hurting from these ass-backward SCOTUS decisions but the tide will turn eventually.
Exactly, republicans have all the power and their base is just getting more and more energized with every victory. I think there are ton of people who care about abortion rights, but for how many of them is the #1 issue? I'm sure plenty of people are upset about this but gas prices and inflation will trump that every time. This is how "normal" well meaning people sit back and let Fascism take hold.I 100% don't think this is the case. And worse, I think dems didn't do anything to stop this as a strategy, basically what you are alluding to. Well, I am old enough to know that will never, ever, ever work.
It will galvanize the right, and the left will come out just as limp as ever.
Talk to people who are not into politics. They hate this, but still feel like they have no one to vote for. It's not like dems stopped it form happening, and THEN campaigned on "if you let Rs win they will repeal this".
It's the same on every issue, they ALWAYS do nothing then fund-raise off the tragedy. They, we, are totally boned come the midterms, and at that point theres no way to climb back after everything Rs are already doing which dems refuse to stop.
You keep moving the goal posts to try to force me to say the Dems are great, or something? The Dems are shitty and ineffective. But we should absolutely be voting for them at every possible chance we have to reduce harm to vulnerable people. I can't see any logical or moral reason for not doing so. Feel free to lay one out for me if you have it.
I don't know or care? I'm responding to ignorant, braindead, thoughtless political discussion, not opining on every other posters' ideology. I think ideological differences and discussions are healthy and necessary. Braindead Twitter-tier political musings, on the other hand, are a big part of the reason our politics are so broken right now, IMO, so I push back against it.
It doesn't matter whether I "agree" with their opinion or not -- people reducing issues into tweet-level black and white and yelling dumb, brainless nonsense into the void of the internet is actively harming our politics, our discource, and our world. I include most US mainstream media in that "harmful" zone -- even the ones i "agree" with. Everyone is turning off their brains and just wants to score points and WIN and it drives me nuts.
This is all extremely plausible and the fact that's even true is so fucking dystopian ffs.It's something that will happen. Republicans are assured to win the House this November and will select the President in 2024 regardless of votes. DeSantis would pass a national abortion ban in a second.
This is what pisses me off most about how defeatist Dem voters are. You got to play the long game. This system is not about the character of the individuals you vote in. It's about the platform they push for. You got to put aside your pride if we all want to survive this in the long run.
The bare minimum floor is that you vote fully up and down ticket for all Dems.... Every. Single. Election.
That's what your opponents do. And they will fully destroy the country if we don't start countering them now.
The time to assert your preferences is in the primaries... Never the general election.
And this is where we differ I guess. Even if it was for a year, and Obama did it, I would have had lot more respect for him to speak on this issue than I do currently. I want Democrats to go scorch earth and get shit done. Even if it was for one year. Let it play out. We don't know the reality and even if there was a 1% chance that Garland can stake it out for more than a year then take the shot. Really, what did Obama had to lose? In fact, he could have energized his own voters.Legal scholars looked at all the arcane rules and the most liberal of them (both in legal interpretation and political leaning) could come up only with a result of 1 year of Garland. 1 year of Garland doesn't get you anything so Obama didn't do it.
Overturning the part of Obamacare that you could get McCain and Susan Collins to agree with doesn't get you much so Mitch didn't eliminate the filibuster.
Soon.