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Which event do you think we would see 6th character reveal at?

  • General Direct (in Feb)

    Votes: 93 25.8%
  • General Direct (in March)

    Votes: 45 12.5%
  • E3

    Votes: 173 47.9%
  • Random Smash Presentation before E3

    Votes: 50 13.9%

  • Total voters
    361
  • Poll closed .
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Coricus

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Oct 25, 2017
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for some reason i feel like dante is gonna be in the game, but hes not gonna be the fighter 5. rather he is going to be the first fighter of the second fighter pass.
Honestly, do we even know if there's gonna be an entire second fighter pass? Assuming it hasn't been mentioned somewhere I kind of have my doubts, like IDK I just kind of picture them making 2-3 more characters and then calling it a day.
 

Ryce

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Oct 25, 2017
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"Related to Nintendo, but not directly them."
"The character could be relevant with or without Nintendo."
"Weird situation."

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How could we have been so blind?
 

Lord Vatek

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Jan 18, 2018
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I'm still kind of holding on to the idea that no one has leaked the character because the usual channels have seen the character, but don't know who the heck they're looking at.
 

Okabe

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Honestly, do we even know if there's gonna be an entire second fighter pass? Assuming it hasn't been mentioned somewhere I kind of have my doubts, like IDK I just kind of picture them making 2-3 more characters and then calling it a day.

Guess we find out tomorrow at the end tbh
 

V_ac

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Jul 2, 2018
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Honestly, do we even know if there's gonna be an entire second fighter pass? Assuming it hasn't been mentioned somewhere I kind of have my doubts, like IDK I just kind of picture them making 2-3 more characters and then calling it a day.
We don't know anything about season 2 other then it exists.

Considering how successful Fighter Pass 1 was, though, I don't see why Nintendo wouldn't want to do another Fighter Pass.
 

ned_ballad

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Maybe the three fingers is listing off like "it's almost like you get 3 characters for 1!" type thing because they have 3 different alts, but I can't really think of a character that would work like that.

Sakurai does love listing stuff out
 

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I'm not gonna disagree with that or say I personally want Crash because that'd admittedly be a lie, but what I am gonna say is that everything gonk about Crash is gonk 2x in Rare's designs and that Sakurai somehow prettied those the hell up to a not-insignificant degree so like. . .eh? In the interest of objectivity any visual design is probably going to pan out better than whatever mental image people cook up, give or take an idea.

Unless you mean literally literally, in which case I think you're forgetting who's making this game LOL

no amount of sakurai magic, despite how strong it is, can salvage this eldritchian horror:
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Every single of its defining visual traits is contributing to make him insufferable to my eyes. Making him tolerable in my view would be making him a totally different character, which would go against the point of including him. Like, I'm not a big fan of Rare games or designs, but Banjo is just a bear in shorts with a bird in his backpack. At worst he just looks like a cereal box mascot, it's a lame design imo but nothing offensive. I can tolerate him. Crash tho? He looks like if someone poured uranium down the throat of Taz the tasmanian tiger out of pure sadistic enjoyment.
 

ned_ballad

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Crash was probably designed the way he was because the PS1 couldn't really do 3D that well.

He's basically just a triangle with some more triangles and details you could add via texture.

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"Related to Nintendo, but not directly them."
"The character could be relevant with or without Nintendo."
"Weird situation."

rg47HXb.jpg


How could we have been so blind?

"Sadly we could not secure the rights to the James Bond license, but we already did all the work so please enjoy the new character: Pierce Brosnan"
 

Okabe

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Aug 24, 2018
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Imagine

Geno shown tomorrow

Then ends with a trailer showing doom slayer and dante fighting demons together saying "coming in spring"
 

Strat

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Apr 8, 2018
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Crash has an ok design, but the new design they've used since the remakes is only a few steps removed from Crash of the Titans in how fucking horrible it looks.
 

TimeFire

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Nov 26, 2017
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Maybe the three fingers is listing off like "it's almost like you get 3 characters for 1!" type thing because they have 3 different alts, but I can't really think of a character that would work like that.

Sakurai does love listing stuff out

Could be Puyo Puyo. We got Arle as the protagonist of the Classic series, Amitie as the protagonist of the Fever series and Ringo as the protagonist of the Modern series.

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Xwing

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Remember to trust in the heart of the cards everyone.

 

Odeko

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Honestly, do we even know if there's gonna be an entire second fighter pass? Assuming it hasn't been mentioned somewhere I kind of have my doubts, like IDK I just kind of picture them making 2-3 more characters and then calling it a day.
I mean the only reason to think they wouldn't do a 5 character pass for Season 2 is that Nintendo sometimes just makes bizarrely incompetent business decisions for no reason. Other than that premise, it's a pretty safe bet since there's a reason why every other fighting game has season passes for a group of fighters and why they announced Season 2 by directly calling out how successful Season 1 was.
 

Rotobit

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Oct 27, 2017
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The weird thing about those hints is that they perfectly describe Bayo and Banjo... And KOS-MOS, who's been deconfirmed apparently?

So to my recollection that leaves...

  • Super Mario RPG
  • Hyrule/Fire Emblem Warriors Original Characters
  • Hamtaro (Nintendo made the GBA games)
  • Ken Griffey Jr.
  • A Uniracer
  • Every Other 90s Rare IP
  • Ash Ketchum?
  • Dr. Kawashima
  • Mickey Mouse (Game & Watch, that terrible GameCube launch game, Epic Mickey was published by Nintendo in Japan)
  • Chase McCain from Lego City Undercover
  • Devil's Third (that'd be hilarious)
  • Fatal Frame
  • Go Vacation people
  • The World Ends With You/Bravely Default/Octopath (published on Switch by Nintendo outside of Japan)
  • Famicom Tantei Club
  • Bill Nighy from Detective Pikachu: The Movie
 

Xwing

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The weird thing about those hints is that they perfectly describe Bayo and Banjo... And KOS-MOS, who's been deconfirmed apparently?

So to my recollection that leaves...

  • Super Mario RPG
  • Hyrule/Fire Emblem Warriors Original Characters
  • Hamtaro (Nintendo made the GBA games)
  • Ken Griffey Jr.
  • A Uniracer
  • Every Other 90s Rare IP
  • Ash Ketchum?
  • Dr. Kawashima
  • Mickey Mouse (Game & Watch, that terrible GameCube launch game, Epic Mickey was published by Nintendo in Japan)
  • Chase McCain from Lego City Undercover
  • Devil's Third (that'd be hilarious)
  • Fatal Frame
  • Go Vacation people
  • The World Ends With You/Bravely Default/Octopath (published on Switch by Nintendo outside of Japan)
  • Famicom Tantei Club
  • Bill Nighy from Detective Pikachu: The Movie

I'm on team Hamtaro. Ride or die hamhams.
 

DatManOvaDer

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Oct 25, 2017
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Crash was probably designed the way he was because the PS1 couldn't really do 3D that well.

He's basically just a triangle with some more triangles and details you could add via texture.

9125.png
It was a combination of things IIRC. PS1's low resolution displayed many shaded polygons better than when they are textured hence why theres only one texture on the entire model (his back). They also opted to use vertex animation instead of a normal rig so doing that through many polygons allowed him to be better animated than other 3D characters at the time
 

CyberWolfBia

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Apr 5, 2019
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Ooh, I see it's the "bash the favorite character of someone else" day

Crash looks stupidly adorable and that's how he's supposed to be.

and your favorite character isn't half bad either. have a nice day <3
 

Phendrift

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Oct 25, 2017
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Going by the background of the stream is Character 5's color brown? Like Joker red, Hero Purple, Banjo yellow, Terry blue
 

Lua

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Aug 9, 2018
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I also find crash ugly as sin, but i don't like animal mascots regardless tbh. I prefer human designs in most if not all the cases. Not big into animals in general.
 

Odeko

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Nintendo owns the IP. TPC couldn't just go and make a Pokemon game without Nintendo, Nintendo owns all the characters and Pokemon
I've had this conversation probably a half dozen times on this website and every time I come away more confused than before

But I thought Nintendo owned the trademark while TPC owned the IP or something like that? Basically Nintendo has veto power on anything using the name "Pokemon" or "Pikachu" but like the game code is owned by TPC (which Nintendo in turn owns of a majority of)
 

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This was sort of alluded to in a few of the posts shared between me and 11.0 but the big questioning point that a lot of Suda fans have had about No More Heroes is that, even setting aside the fact that the series was only brought back because Nintendo requested Suda to make it, a lot of us have been kind of confused where Grasshopper would've found the capital to reacquire at least the majority rights to the franchise (and I stress this because at the early 2010s the full rights were still attributed to Marvelous) when signs pointed around late 2018 that they'd substantially downsized on top of Nintendo now being a major client for them, much like GungHo and Kadokawa (the former of which are their parent company and the latter of which were an investor during the seventh gen). NMH3 having a budget and TSA having all these cross-company collabs (not just indies but partners like Capcom, EA and animation studios like Kamikaze Douga) despite being an "indie sized" endeavor was suspect back then and even more curious moving into NMH3 given that Grasshopper themselves are still really small as of present.

The popular theory for the time being was that Nintendo may have signed a marketing/distribution deal which may had resulted in enough money for them to basically allow Grasshopper to take the reigns back on the franchise, with the series mainly targeting Nintendo platforms. Passing Assassin made the point last night that Zippo's correction still works in Travis' favor given that TSA was eventually ported to PS4/Steam multiple months after release at Marvelous' behest, though this was clearly a much smaller priority affair and the series is still mainly Nintendo oriented as of right now. Theoretically NMH3 could eventually land on other platforms but given the TSA ports were an absolute sales bomb and since it was a small game less designed with Switch's capabilities (NMH3 from what we understand is most likely going to make use of split joycon controls a fair deal), it's not looking too likely that NMH3 will get ported despite the option being there. With those circumstances I think it's pretty fair to assume NMH's state is kind of "complicated" despite Grasshopper now being partial co-owners.

That being said, I agree with you that it could be anyone at this point. The bar for "third party with a strong Nintendo connection" is a pretty easy one to cross, and only really discounts names like Dante, 2B, etc. It even works to Arle's favor given the SNES Switch offerings and Puyo Tetris making it west thanks to Switch.
While this is all true and I've tried to be as factually correct about NMH as possible both here and in the NMHIII Info/Speculation thread. I think people are reading too far into everything. If the comments are "sorta kind first party" "like Bayonetta" and "possibly relevant with or without Nintendo" I don't see how that translates into people thinking it's a co-own IP.

Bayonetta 2 got revealed at the WiiU launch event, had extensive Nintendo cross over content in the form of costumes, was published by Nintendo worldwide and has a 3rd entry as a flagpole title for Switch.

NMH was at the Switch launch event, had several Nintendo cross over content in the form of Zelda/Fatal Frame t-shirts, was distributed* by Nintendo worldwide and has a 3rd entry as a flagpole title for the Switch.
*I can't imagine the average person knowing or even caring about the difference and even then people in the know make mistakes. A Marvelous rep thought Nintendo was the publisher for TSA for what it's worth. The association between Nintendo and NMH is clearly there.

I personally don't think Travis is the last character, but has a shot as an additional fighter. I just think people are twisting what was said and adding their own implications. We don't even know if the hints are right.
 

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The weird thing about those hints is that they perfectly describe Bayo and Banjo... And KOS-MOS, who's been deconfirmed apparently?

So to my recollection that leaves...

  • Super Mario RPG
  • Hyrule/Fire Emblem Warriors Original Characters
  • Hamtaro (Nintendo made the GBA games)
  • Ken Griffey Jr.
  • A Uniracer
  • Every Other 90s Rare IP
  • Ash Ketchum?
  • Dr. Kawashima
  • Mickey Mouse (Game & Watch, that terrible GameCube launch game, Epic Mickey was published by Nintendo in Japan)
  • Chase McCain from Lego City Undercover
  • Devil's Third (that'd be hilarious)
  • Fatal Frame
  • Go Vacation people
  • The World Ends With You/Bravely Default/Octopath (published on Switch by Nintendo outside of Japan)
  • Famicom Tantei Club
  • Bill Nighy from Detective Pikachu: The Movie
And yah boy, Travis Touchdown
 

NotLiquid

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Oct 25, 2017
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While this is all true and I've tried to be as factually correct about NMH as possible both here and in the NMHIII Info/Speculation thread. I think people are reading too far into everything. If the comments are "sorta kind first party" "like Bayonetta" and "possibly relevant with or without Nintendo" I don't see how that translates into people thinking it's a co-own IP.

Just to clarify, Zippo walked back on it being like a Bayonetta case. He said the character is "related" to Nintendo but not directly, which can be spun in more ways than one. He did say the rep would be able to exist with or without them. Passing Assassin pointed out that TSA getting PS4/Steam ports still makes Travis in contention for that distinction, it depends on how you want to read into his "it's a weird situation" comment.
 
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