I've noticed spite's been speaking for characters you don't want to deal with for the past several weeks. Who in Virtua Fighter is on your hitlist?
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Street Fighter 6 - Zangief, Lily, and Cammy Gameplay Trailer
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No one in particular since I haven't played much VF since the original PS2 port of VF4, but Sarah had been a consistent roadblock back during DoA5:LR.
You don't really use Spiral Arrows in neutral with some risky exceptions like EX SA to go through a projectile. That doesn't mean you don't spam them often. Cammy's bread and butter combo is MP, HP into Arrow / Spike. As long as you have a grip on links it is very easy to perform. Arrow grants you oki, it is very useful. Both can be canceled into Supers.
Hooligan (the move you are describing) can be useful for mix ups, divekicks and more. It is situational and if you overuse it the opponent will counter easily but it is not useless.
Mannn, Im going to sound like a dick so some qualifiers:
But the lighting in this game is embarrassing, has been from day 1 and I hate it and I hate that I hate it
These are all TEXTBOOK examples of overblown lighting, this is exactly the kind of stuff they teach you to avoid when youre learning about shading and lighting. I can see WHY theyre using it, for contrast, so the characters pop more and more from the background, but to be honest as an artistic solution is like fishing with dynamite, you dont NEED to do that in order for things to stand out and youre missing out on visual quality and wasted work when your details and subtleties get washed out like that. Nevermind the fact that it also makes the characters look like they have a different lighting source when compared to the environment theyre in, thats also a big miss
Like, for real, poor Lily on that closeup, if you took that photo you would discard it, if you presented that for review at a render show and tell it would be sent back
Wont affect my purchase in the slightest but it does bum me the fuck out
- SFVI is gonna be dope as hell, I already played it and Im super confident in its quality and success
- I love Street Fighter, if you know me I will gush about it at any chance I get
- There is a TON of good and impressive art being made in this game, from the models, to the designs and environments
But the lighting in this game is embarrassing, has been from day 1 and I hate it and I hate that I hate it
These are all TEXTBOOK examples of overblown lighting, this is exactly the kind of stuff they teach you to avoid when youre learning about shading and lighting. I can see WHY theyre using it, for contrast, so the characters pop more and more from the background, but to be honest as an artistic solution is like fishing with dynamite, you dont NEED to do that in order for things to stand out and youre missing out on visual quality and wasted work when your details and subtleties get washed out like that. Nevermind the fact that it also makes the characters look like they have a different lighting source when compared to the environment theyre in, thats also a big miss
Like, for real, poor Lily on that closeup, if you took that photo you would discard it, if you presented that for review at a render show and tell it would be sent back
Wont affect my purchase in the slightest but it does bum me the fuck out
Mannn, Im going to sound like a dick so some qualifiers:
OK? OK
- SFVI is gonna be dope as hell, I already played it and Im super confident in its quality and success
- I love Street Fighter, if you know me I will gush about it at any chance I get
- There is a TON of good and impressive art being made in this game, from the models, to the designs and environments
But the lighting in this game is embarrassing, has been from day 1 and I hate it and I hate that I hate it
These are all TEXTBOOK examples of overblown lighting, this is exactly the kind of stuff they teach you to avoid when youre learning about shading and lighting. I can see WHY theyre using it, for contrast, so the characters pop more and more from the background, but to be honest as an artistic solution is like fishing with dynamite, you dont NEED to do that in order for things to stand out and youre missing out on visual quality and wasted work when your details and subtleties get washed out like that. Nevermind the fact that it also makes the characters look like they have a different lighting source when compared to the environment theyre in, thats also a big miss
Like, for real, poor Lily on that closeup, if you took that photo you would discard it, if you presented that for review at a render show and tell it would be sent back
Wont affect my purchase in the slightest but it does bum me the fuck out
There is something that looks off for me in the game in general. I see that the animation and character models are amazing but the filter they use makes it very unflattering..
Glad to see I am not the only one. The levels look horrible to me. The grey blueish tones of that London level… looks washed out to me.
The level itself is fine, it looks washed out to you because youre seeing the characters in front of it and noticing the contrast in shading, lighting and tone so your brain goes "that shit aint right" even if you dont have the artistic background to describe why that is.
Its the reason why anybody can look at a walk cycle and criticize it, because it doesn't matter if youre a professional artist or not, we all know when somebody is walking weird.
What happened 2 years ago?
I'm only just looking into the competitive side of SF and know squat about what's happened.
Was Cammy a top tier or something back then until she got nerfed?
God tier Cammy season. Four Cammy players won the first 4 CPT events (September Mago came early among things). Also arguably Daigo's best odds to win Capcom Cup. Then COVID cancelled everything.
True but for me It actually comes now to the nearest on how I imaged Zangief to look like based on the original SF2 sprite work.
OK I gotta watch this because my go to characters in SF are Cammy and Chun Li.
Do you know the name of the channels to look out for to watch this kind of stuff?
And any names for pro players I can follow and watch? Getting into a new FGC scene, there is so much I don't know so just thought I'd ask. Sorry if it's troublesome.
Don't apologize. I'm actually very happy because talking about SF is one of my favorite things to do in this place.
Capcom Fighters is the official home of competitive Street Fighter, and you can watch their content both on YT and Twitch. Capcom Pro Tour (CPT) qualifiers, Street Fighter League (SFL), and World Warrior events are the three things you mainly want to watch out for during the season, but of course there's the big tournaments like EVO and Red Bull Kumite. Outside of that, Saltmine League showcases the EU region (my personal favorite region to watch) and Sets FT10 is a weekly show on the Capcom Fighters lineup that pits high-level players in a FT10. These players can be anyone in the competitive spectrum, from the tippity top to the up-and-coming to those who are just playing the game for fun but nonetheless play hella nice.
Everyone has their favorites when it comes to pros, but a general who's who list (though by no means exhaustive) includes Daigo Umehara, Tokido, Kawano, Idom, MenaRD, Punk (aka PunkdaGod), Gachikun, Problem-X, Mister Crimson, and EndingWalker (definitely too early to put him here, but I'm biased and apparently he was one of the best Ryus in the betas, on top of having just had a super successful season).
For Cammy players, I can think of Mago, NL, Punk, Hurricane, Akira, Bravery, and Momi. Though, the first three have no problem switching to the toppest tier if need be. They were Luke players this season.
For Chun-Li players, there's Valmaster, Punk, BrolyLegs, Santarou, and ShoryukenV. I also expect Justin Wong to be one of the best Chun-Li players in this inaugural season unless someone else catches his eye.
Some videos off the top of my head. I also suggest you watch EVO 2022 Top 8 and Capcom Cup IX Top 16.
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Yep, I don't like her at all.
Also, I don't like "armed" characters in a basically "unarmed" fighting game, they really clash with the other fighters.
Zangief should call bullshit on this fighting tournament, weapons, high tech equipment, fucking magic, all the people who are fighting without enhancers should do their own tournament, without all the "extras". :D
Zangief doesn't care about puny weapons.
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Street Fighter has armed characters since 2 I dont think they clash at all and fit right in.
Please, point me where I said I appreciate armed characters in other chapters.
Too many people trying to keep Gief in shit tier.
It's not fair.
I hope Capcom gives him that sauce. TOP 5 GIEF.
It's not fair.
I hope Capcom gives him that sauce. TOP 5 GIEF.
It's just kind of an odd complaint when weapons have been a part of the series' DNA since the very first game 36 years ago.
I guess they technically did with that arcade version, & it didn't look all that bad.
Nobody is unarmed in Street Fighter. Everybody has superhuman strength. Damn near all of them have magic powers. Be for real. This ain't some boxing sim. The name of the series, "Street Fighter," is to let you know anything goes.
I think they all look fantastic. Love Cammy's Blue Mary vibes and the animated movie neck breaker.
Gief physically looks more like SF2 Gief, proportionally, before they made his arms much longer from Alpha onwards.
Lily looks a ton of fun, love that her moves are reminiscent of T Hawks.
Gief physically looks more like SF2 Gief, proportionally, before they made his arms much longer from Alpha onwards.
Lily looks a ton of fun, love that her moves are reminiscent of T Hawks.
Was it net play too? Cause that's going to add more stress than local.
I think this all comes down to the last quote in if you think they gave Lily those shorts and used those camera angles on purpose for whatever reason. Let's be real here, Capcom among other fighting game developers tend to play with sex appeal. It's the reason why people go nuts with seeing breasts, thongs, booty shots etc in DoA, Street Fighter & MK, among others. Then with anime and Japan there's something about playing with innocence, flirtatious behaviour, showing cleavage, shame etc. Look at DBZ's Master Roshi and his 'relationship' w/ the females as a perfect example.
Cammy is a clear example and the most obvious way of using this sex appeal with her poses, flexes and what not. Now nobody's saying shorts equals sexy or for athletes even. Hell, I get that for a country that's hot AF that women and men alike wear shorts and that athletes / gymnasts wear shorts. It's odd actually how people react to a legitimate grip or questioning, especially jumping to the "get horny by looking at" conclusion. The irony in responding with this type of judgment and calling us perverts, sexist or whatever just by bringing up a point - without even using words like sexy or anything like that - actually says more about you than us.
It's as pointed out above about the combination of her youth - something you just cannot deny and have to take into account - her size and the camera angles during her specials. I personally believe it is naive to think they didn't think about this and didn't realize it would get this type of reaction. Hell, I think they might even purposefully did this - the camera angles in particular - because they know there's an audience and type of people out there who go nuts over this. Maybe teenagers, the waifu nerds, but definitely some crowd.
My main issue is then not even necessarily with the outfit, but knowing there's people out there who do get off by looking at female characters in certain outfits and that I question their intent. The first child like character and you give us shots of her crotch as well as almost nothing but underwear? Definitely not a coincidence, I'll tell you that. Now what they are trying to achieve beats me, but it would easy to avoid all of this with some proper shorts and just a different camera angle. As pointed out, they take a lot of time mapping this all out so they CHOSE to show her off like this.
I have calmed a bit on how much this bothers me, but cannot shake that they did this on purpose and if they are catering to a certain perverse crowd, then it's really off-putting. We cannot deny the reality of waifu crowd, people who sexualize fighting game characters, cry wolf over MK9 characters not having their leotard outfits anymore or even that Cammy now wears long pants. Hell, in this thread one guy said he cancels his pre-order because Cammy is not wearing pants instead of a leotard. Don't tell me that is not about some fetish...
Just as an example, I went to DBS: Broly movie in the cinema and the amount of whistles and woohoo's when they showed a female's butt - one of those new aliens - I believe, was so cringe to me. It's like it's porn for nerds who don't dare to watch porn, because they fear they might blow their load if they come near the real thing. And the issue I have is mainly because I know the type of people this attracts.
I know they cannot and maybe should not have to take into account what people phantasize about or go nuts over, but I think they could've easily asked themselves questions like: "What kind of message does it send to have a very small, young, child like character with shortest of shorts shown off in full display during her specials?" or "what do we want our fans to take away from this character and does her outfit and way we present her resemble that?"
I think they could've simply misjudged how people would feel about this, but don't they have test panels and such? They at least have advisors who told them to drop the feathers and the face paint, so I wonder how did this pass the test and other elements didn't? Wouldn't it be way more logical to drop what could be potentially perceived as off-putting over some stereotypical features that is staple of SF and is still prevalent in the game in so many other characters?
Just my two cents.
Probably late, but you can see the lifebars in the leaked footage, and neither Cammy was under 25% health, so it was her regular Level 3 there and her CA in the new trailer.
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Focus testers probably didn't catch it because it genuinely isn't that big of a deal to them. Compared to how talk about SFV's sexualization was everywhere I barely see any commentary about 6 outside of here. Short shorts for a character who lives in hot weather really just isn't that big of a deal. I also think people are exaggerating re: how young she looks.
I think it's fair to say Capcom has sanded the sexualized aspect of SF down to the point where they can appeal to most normal folk and broadcast the game on espn, without alienating their core fanbase who like that sort of thing. Gratuitous camera angles are kept to a minimum and most of the base outfits are tame but they're still deliberately form fitting compared to the men, plus sneaking in stuff like Juri's "top" just being body tape instead of giving her a real top. This is still the same Capcom as always, they just found a way to be themselves without causing any marketing issues.
I think it's fair to say Capcom has sanded the sexualized aspect of SF down to the point where they can appeal to most normal folk and broadcast the game on espn, without alienating their core fanbase who like that sort of thing. Gratuitous camera angles are kept to a minimum and most of the base outfits are tame but they're still deliberately form fitting compared to the men, plus sneaking in stuff like Juri's "top" just being body tape instead of giving her a real top. This is still the same Capcom as always, they just found a way to be themselves without causing any marketing issues.
Can't help but feeling that the new design makes Cammy look like she voted for brexit. I feel like while it perhaps shouldn't inherently be the case, overenthusiastic patrotism in the UK has become a dogwhistle for the alt-right.
I live in a working class area in England and you see it in peoples homes, they raise a British flag outside and you know they've got some controversial views to talk to you about. That's what I see when I look at Cammy's new design.
I live in a working class area in England and you see it in peoples homes, they raise a British flag outside and you know they've got some controversial views to talk to you about. That's what I see when I look at Cammy's new design.
Cammy's new design doesn't register to me as patriotic at all. I associate the Union Jack and leather look with punk rock/anti-establishment irony. Cammy's jacket even has studs on it.
I sincerely doubt that a victim of Street Fighter's Nazi Party stand-in is a fan of fascism.
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I kinda like the idea that despite being a elite government agent that she actually hates the government she works for.Cammy's new design doesn't register to me as patriotic at all. I associate the Union Jack and leather look with punk rock/anti-establishment irony. Cammy's jacket even has studs on it.
Mannn, Im going to sound like a dick so some qualifiers:
OK? OK
- SFVI is gonna be dope as hell, I already played it and Im super confident in its quality and success
- I love Street Fighter, if you know me I will gush about it at any chance I get
- There is a TON of good and impressive art being made in this game, from the models, to the designs and environments
But the lighting in this game is embarrassing, has been from day 1 and I hate it and I hate that I hate it
These are all TEXTBOOK examples of overblown lighting, this is exactly the kind of stuff they teach you to avoid when youre learning about shading and lighting. I can see WHY theyre using it, for contrast, so the characters pop more and more from the background, but to be honest as an artistic solution is like fishing with dynamite, you dont NEED to do that in order for things to stand out and youre missing out on visual quality and wasted work when your details and subtleties get washed out like that. Nevermind the fact that it also makes the characters look like they have a different lighting source when compared to the environment theyre in, thats also a big miss
Like, for real, poor Lily on that closeup, if you took that photo you would discard it, if you presented that for review at a render show and tell it would be sent back
Wont affect my purchase in the slightest but it does bum me the fuck out
I would add to that that they're going soooooooo overkill with the color blending lights for gameplay feedback. What's the point of those amazing models and animations if they're bright yellow or greenhalf of the time.. I just hate it. And NO, it's not necessary for feedback, it could be more subtle yet perfectly noticeable by players.
Cammy's new design doesn't register to me as patriotic at all. I associate the Union Jack and leather look with punk rock/anti-establishment irony. Cammy's jacket even has studs on it.
I might see it that way if she wasn't an agent for the British government. It doesn't seem likely that it would come from a place of ironic patriotism. Plus, the rest of her outfit doesn't exactly scream punk and that particular style in punk seems, quite out of style today? I do go to quite a few punk gigs and have not seen anyone in the last 5 years wearing a union jack, the screenshot you posted comes from a different era.
It used to be the case that even in pop, the union jack would be represented pretty often, and not ironically, it just had an appreciable branding to it, but that comes from a pre-brexit era, and also an area where people perhaps reflected less on what the flag represented.
This is a good article that discusses this shift in perceptions within British culture.
From Dua Lipa to Boris Johnson – why it’s a ‘cultural mistake’ to wear union jack clothing
After Brexit, a legacy of far-right associations, and possible Scottish independence, the union flag still pushes buttons. What does patriotism mean in Britain today?
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Because of how it's been claimed by the right, I think it needs to be presented differently to have that ironic patriotism that you describe. Stormzy wore a distorted union jack at Glastonbury, decorating a stab proof vest.
The deliberate variation in design and context of the stab proof vest provides that ironic sentiment, but today the jack on its own really just stands for 'keep Britain white'. And I think it's a cultural mistake, which is unsurprising to see from a Japanese developer on the outside looking in at our culture.
Noted Brexit voter Dua Lipa, pictured two years ago.
Undoubtedly there's some complex cultural issues around wearing the Union Jack, but that jacket is clearly punk inspired rather than national front inspired.
The UK does have a bit of a history with that tbf.
Undoubtedly there's some complex cultural issues around wearing the Union Jack, but that jacket is clearly punk inspired rather than national front inspired.
The UK does have a bit of a history with that tbf.