Man, there's a lot of terrible moments in this film, but Jesus, that shot... Fuck you Rian.
You might be joking it but was fucking ridiculous how many things they had that little shit due like calm the fuck down it's like the comic book where R2D2 soloed a whole star destroyer like why even have people at that point just have beep machines do everything its so stupid.
Now walking is some kind of grand action that no one can do? It's not the dangling that is the problem, it's the perfect aim of hitting one of those... uhhh... pipe thingies and then being able to grasp at something despite being clearly exhausted (and severely wounded)
Yet you're not producing any of these examples. You're being incredibly rude by associating me with the alt-right assholes, and you aren't doing me the single courtesy of actually defending your argument. I've seen the films and Rey barely struggles. What struggles she does have are minor and short-lived. Not once does she have the kind of crisis of ideology that held Luke back. She just get's it, and I think that's boring.
Then how does a lowly, untrained scavenger girl beat several elite guards? That is simply unbelievable.
After explicitly failing his first shot and at the last second coming to terms with the lessons that Obi-Wan was trying to teach him, yes, Luke succeeds. Just. Fucking. Barely. That's why Luke works. He never solves his problems by being suddenly good at things; he doubts himself until he builds the confidence he needs in the climax of the film.
That's the point of Luke! He fucks up constantly and the force cuts him slack. He's really a pathetic character, but we can relate to him, because we can sympathize with his struggle. H has no idea what he's doing and always shows is, but by the end of his arc he accepts the lessons he had always failed to and succeeds because of it.
I posted several examples of her struggling and that wasn't even her emotional struggles. To say that Rey doesn't struggle is to basically say "I didn't pay attention to the movies."
What do you mean I brought up a shit comparison? I brought up a point, jstified it, and you made a poor rebuttal. Of course it matters that its the end of his arc. If he's learned nothing by his last few minutes that would be weird.
Yes it did. He was initially so confident with his father because he was relying on his own power for victory. He could be confident because he knew he was strong. It was only when he was powerless in the face of the Emperor's power that his resolve begin to waver. Yeah, he's still trying, but does a resolute man plead for help? I don't really think so.
Why do you want this whole entire galaxy to just be about one family when even in the OT we had Obi-Wan and Yoda as some of the most powerful Force users?
Iirc originally they were gonna introduce a new character but instead made Leia Luke's sister. In terms of actually being able to stop Vader, it was all up to Luke.
But then you have to find them.
What? Those gifs? Or were there others? I apologize if I haven't been responding to your examples if you've been quoting me (rather busy with others). Regardless, none of those struggles are a particularly big deal. Not once in TLJ, does she seem to struggle with the Force to the same degree that Luke does. She always believes in Kylo, she's never really tempted by the Dark Side, she always stands by her principles, and whenever she needs the Force it comes almost instantly.
I've given a million examples. You keep ignoring or insisting none of those are flaws and how she is still perfect.
In Rey? Of course not, she gets over any mental hiccups almost instantaneously.
If you're too good a space wizard without actually earning it, that's kind of a big deal. What else is her character arc supposed to be other than mastering the Force via overcoming her faults? If Rey is already a great Jedi, how is she supposed to develop?
Because she's not Luke, they're two different characters. She doesn't have his hangup. You shouldn't have gone into these films expecting a completely different character to have the same hangups.
I've not seen one yet. Or maybe I have, but I don't remember. I'm talking to a lot of people. In any case, I'm pretty sure I've countered any examples you've brought up so far.
OK, she freaks out and gets captured, that's a good hiccup, but then she immediately redirects Kylo's mind control and then frees herself. That doesn't seem to be an emotional struggle. Frankly, I'm not even sure why she freaks out. She seems to be hung up on her past only when it benefits the plot. Like, if she's that freaked out, then why did she leave in the first place? Why does it not seem to effect her performance anywhere else? She doesn't even seem to "get over it" via character development, but rather it just subsides when the plot needs it to.
But those are starved scumbags, not military-trained fighters who seem to be expertly equipped to fight Jedi. Snoke expected to capture Luke, so that is presumably who these guys were there to attack.
Barely? She seems pretty fine throughout that whole fight.
Momentarily pushed to the ground? Oh no.
I don't think that's true, but even if that's the case, the fact still stand that her power makes that fight boring. If her opponents never actually stood a chance, then how do we get invested in that fight? Why do I care that Rey won if that was definitely going to happen?
Nothing to be sorry about. It's fan-fic. I was on a TFA high at the time. It was for fun.
I don't care that she doesn't have the same journey, I just want her own journey to have the same level of impact. She doesn't seem to struggle with her emotional hangups like Luke did. She just seems to get a little broody once and while and then pop right out of it. her resolve never seems tested.
You're hopeless. She gets wounded and pushed around. She only wins because of a very street fight type move that is very much her. You said she never struggles. Here she does, visibly, and it's not the first time but it's never enough to counter your Mary Sue idiocies.
She's not struggling with her emotional hangups like Luke did because to reiterate, she's not Luke. Her journey does have impact. It's a different kind of impact.
