True.
Just wanted to say, that I think it's a bigger functuanality difference which even kinda goes against their own switching marketing message. So I can kinda see why the Lite model is doing worse.
Sooo, will the XSS outsell the XSX or nah
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True.
Just wanted to say, that I think it's a bigger functuanality difference which even kinda goes against their own switching marketing message. So I can kinda see why the Lite model is doing worse.
I suspect so, probably by quite a long distance. While I'd personally buy an XSX over an XSS, the way Microsoft are advertising them makes the XSS feel like a much better deal than the XSX. The jump in perceptible quality from 1440p to 4K isn't that significant unless you have a great TV/monitor setup. In essence the XSX feels like a day-one mid-gen refresh, and while the PS4 Pro and X1X are definitely the best way to console game right now, there are pretty obvious diminishing returns in terms of how the extra GPU power is used in both cases.
Going forward, xbox is gamepass. The Series S has great potential as a 2nd machine, but that probably doesn't really kick in until it's been around a little while and people look outside their current ecosystems.
Not many want to face the reality, but Series S is the next gen xbox hardware, it's the baseline targetted at the masses. It'll sell the most by a long, long way. The Series X is an enthusiast model mid-gen refresh that just happens to arrive day 1. In a similar manner that the 1x was to the 1/1s, it'll be adpoted at same sort of ratio in the long run. Of course this won't play out in the first 6 months or so, as people who buy in to next gen early are generally enthusiasts, and they'll want the proper box. There's little to persuade casual players to jump to a new generation in times of cross-gen especially when first party has very bleak schedule in the short to medium term. For the next half year Series X will do far bigger numbers in terms of ratio than it will lifetime.
If we're led to believe both models are taking a financial hit, especially the low tier one, there's a case to be made that the price differential might ease favourably the Series X's way over time, but this depends to a larger extent where pricing goes on each unit's parts list... we might see a 1tb Series S unit before we see any price discounting, for example (personally that'd be something I'd be looking for around 2 years from now as internal studios close in on their big releases).
In the long run, it will. Hardcore gamers will buy the X early on, but over time people will learn of the S's value and for most users, the games will look and perform almost identically.
I completely agree with you. I think the Switch not Switching is much larger difference and I understand why someone wouldn't want that as well, but also understand why someone would if they never intend to play outside of handheld. I just know it wasn't for me so I have a regular one lol.
If the difference in price wasn't so high I would say no, but as things are now I do see the Series S selling a lot more than Series X and being the primary console for a lot of people. Hell I'd like to get one just to see what GamePass is all about.
Are you guys expecting the cheaper digital ps5 model to outsell the main one which has the exact same specs ?
This is actually a really interesting question to me because I have zero idea. 200$ is a huge price difference, one that I think the average consumer would see and be attracted to. But I have no idea how big of a deal "can't play physical games" is to Mr. CoD/Madden/FIFA/NBA/Destiny/Fortnite.
I don't think 4k matters though.
I don't think 4k matters though.
Well there might only be a $100 or less difference between those consoles, compared to $200 for the Series X.
But to answer you question, I don't know lol. Initially I thought na... people want their physical drive... and maybe many who bought a 4K TV for their Pro or something, never got around to buying a 4K BluRay Player....
But now I think there might be many who are fine with settling with the PS5D, especially if they went mostly digital for the PS4 gen.
......................maybe?
There's a lot of new factors at play here, I'm interested in seeing how it unfolds. Lower-specced machine, big price gap, digital only, MS-direct financing, gamepass. The split will be one of the more interesting things to track this generation.
There's a lot of new factors at play here, I'm interested in seeing how it unfolds. Lower-specced machine, big price gap, digital only, MS-direct financing, gamepass. The split will be one of the more interesting things to track this generation.
I'm honestly amazed that there are people here who think the console that plays the same games for almost 50% less money might not be the more popular sku.
$200 is a big gap so it's difficult to predict what people will do. People buying consoles at launch are tipically not price cautious. Enthusiast are far more likely to have a 4K TV or even buy one with the console. But yeah the XSS will eventually outsell it, the price gap is too big I think. But expect the ratio to be a lot different then what it was for Xbox one and the X.
To those that are worried about XSX being left out to dry when it comes to optimisation... isn't the difference between the two consoles is just the GPU ? So the extra juice of the XSX is being used simply for a linear resolution / FPS bump. It should require practically 0 optimisation.
I'm honestly amazed that people think the casual crowd does not care for a disk drive. The same crowd that went nuts when MS announced they will not accept Used Games a few years ago.
Yes digital split got bigger, but the Physical split is still bigger in many many markets.
XSS is this generation's baseline. All 1st party and most third party games will be designed around the RAM and GPU limitations of the XSS. XSX is basically just an upscale machine that will run the exact same games at 4K-ish instead of (sub) 1080p and potentially at a more stable 30fps. Even at the massive losses MS must be eating with the XSX pricing, it is hard to recommend it over the XSS.
I think XSS will outsell XSX 4:1.
I think XSS will outsell XSX 4:1.
I have so many xbox/360/xb1 physical games that wouldn't work on XSS
I can't imagine buying an XSS compared to the XSX on that reason alone let alone how weak it is compared to ps5/xsx
XSS is not for me maybe for its other people but I dunno if they will outnumber people like me.
I can't imagine buying an XSS compared to the XSX on that reason alone let alone how weak it is compared to ps5/xsx
XSS is not for me maybe for its other people but I dunno if they will outnumber people like me.
Was that the casual crowd? Not sure the casual crowd watch E3 presentations, the reaction was mainly from the core gamer.
I think it's likely a matter of who puts out more systems this fall. The XSS has a very appealing price, but I need to see an actual graphics comparison of cross gen games since there's very few exclusives announced. Maybe that will change.
Hybrid Switch is easily outselling the cheap Switch lite. But you're right in general and the switch case is very specific, as the lite is just poor value compared to the OG model.
This video had Millions of clicks, it was a huge huge PR disaster for MS, so big that they had to backtrack everything and completely change their planned philosophy. It wasn't just the core gamer that cared, it was really huge.
Lots of people watching an amusing video doesn't mean that much about where the backlash came from, but it's hard to quantify any way around.
Still, I maintain that most people aren't so wedded to physical that they want to maintain that over a $200 saving. That's huge.
It's a £200 difference in the UK which is pretty massive, hard to say what consumers will do though, plus we don't know how many of each are shipping. The Switch isn't really comparable, the difference is £80 and you lose a lot of the main selling points so it's not really worth it to most people. XSS is just a reduced spec machine, it will do everything the XSX does minus the disk drive.
The casual crowd that plays COD, FIFA and Fortnite will not care for Gamepass. It will move Units, but will not dramatically change anything.
As i said, in many markets the Split is still in favor of physical games.
The casual market does care for Batman, DayZ, The Elder Scrolls Online TU, Fallout 76, No Man's Sky, Forza Horizon, World War Z, Dead by Daylight, Sea of Thieves... All those are huge games nowadays and are all on Game Pass.
Sure, but there isn't currently a digital only option in those markets that will save you $200.
Elder Scrolls Online? World War Z? Dead by Deadlight? None of these sold even come close to what Fifa and COD move. I give you Batman and Forza, but the others are not games for the casual crowd at all.
Eh yes? It's called Xbox One S Digital Only and was sold for 99€ in Europe on Black Friday.
While the non-digital version was going for what? €150? €200 at most.
Errr why not? Series X and PS5 are basically the same thing and devs will be optimizing for those as well.
Minecraft is also on Game Pass.
Agreed but if one console ends up being more popular at launch that's the model that'll get word of mouth and also be prioritised in marketing.