It's cheaper and most people don't care about resolution, even among "hardcore" gamers like forum posters, influencers, and journalists. So yes
Sooo, will the XSS outsell the XSX or nah
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Price is the number 1 factor every single console gen. It will sell a ton, but generate less enthusiasm from enthusiasts, just like the iPhone SE
200 bucks is nothing in the grand scheme of things. It only matters for parents being cheapskates when it comes to gifts.
Ppl buy ridiculously expensive phones every couple years without even considering the lesser brands. I feel like consumers are in a different mindset now compared to previous generations.
Ppl buy ridiculously expensive phones every couple years without even considering the lesser brands. I feel like consumers are in a different mindset now compared to previous generations.
I think if MS are a little bit lucky and with good marketing it's lightning in a bottle for them.
It's also a console that's going to be hitting crazy numbers during big sale says. I do think it will be the best seller.
It's also a console that's going to be hitting crazy numbers during big sale says. I do think it will be the best seller.
I have buddies still on their PS4/Xbox Ones who never upgraded to the Pro/X models this gen. I feel like the Series S will be perfect for these guys because theyre the Fortnite/ Fifa/COD/NBA2k crowd. Most of them also have families with kids so Do I see them paying $500 for a console in this pandemic? Nah. I feel these are the majority of people who buy the cheaper model of things while the more expensive options are not as popular.
Obviously this is only my example amongst like 8 of us but I feel if MS markets the S right in this day and age, they can sell this system like hotcakes, disc drive or not.
Obviously this is only my example amongst like 8 of us but I feel if MS markets the S right in this day and age, they can sell this system like hotcakes, disc drive or not.
The average gamer has never been as obsessed with power as the hardcore. History has shown us that time and time again. If power dominated the conversation the Wii,Switch wouldnt have done as well as they did and are doing; and more of the most powerful consoles would have been the highest selling of their generation. This isn't the case.
If anything, I expect the cheaper one that can be financed monthly to blow the others away, assuming the availability is wide enough.
If anything, I expect the cheaper one that can be financed monthly to blow the others away, assuming the availability is wide enough.
So why are you getting a new TV at all if you don't care about the new technology? Stick with your current TV.
I mean, I suppose there are people out there who a) dropped their TV out the window or whatever and needed a replacement, b) literally couldn't find a non-4K TV in any store, and c) bought that TV without researching or caring about the tech at all, but do you really think those people are a majority? Especially amongst gamers? Most people who just spent a $1000-plus on a 4K TV want 4K content for it.
I voted Yes, and then read through the thread and changed to No. I can't really agree with some of the arguments being made.
I think a lot of "non-enthusiasts" care about power more than you'd think - probably care more than I do, honestly - but just not in the same terms you do. People will care about not having something decently weaker than what's also available, especially with the PS5 also coming out. I also think people will be wary of it lacking a disk drive, in general but also specifically for backwards compatibility. Also, people are mentioning the pricing plan, but doesn't the XSX have the same offer? I would think people would see both offers and then go "well, it's only a bit more a month for XSX, so I might as well...", but maybe that's just me.
Realistically... it may sell more, but I personally don't think it'll be by a ridiculous margin if so. Though I also wonder how much will be available of each to begin with.
I think a lot of "non-enthusiasts" care about power more than you'd think - probably care more than I do, honestly - but just not in the same terms you do. People will care about not having something decently weaker than what's also available, especially with the PS5 also coming out. I also think people will be wary of it lacking a disk drive, in general but also specifically for backwards compatibility. Also, people are mentioning the pricing plan, but doesn't the XSX have the same offer? I would think people would see both offers and then go "well, it's only a bit more a month for XSX, so I might as well...", but maybe that's just me.
Realistically... it may sell more, but I personally don't think it'll be by a ridiculous margin if so. Though I also wonder how much will be available of each to begin with.
The entire concept of 'sales' should be in question. I'd imagine 'core' gamers will buy XSX out right and in larger numbers at launch than the cheaper model, but once the rush is over everyone else will 'get' their XSS with their $25 dollar a month subscription.
It might retail for $299 on paper but consumers wont see that and Microsoft would be dumb to advertise it that way. They are selling subscriptions now, not consoles per say, and $25 looks better than $299.
I'd say the install base split will end up 80/20 or somewhere in that range. That is until after the 2 years is up and they give everyone the option to upgrade to the XSX+ or whatever.
It might retail for $299 on paper but consumers wont see that and Microsoft would be dumb to advertise it that way. They are selling subscriptions now, not consoles per say, and $25 looks better than $299.
I'd say the install base split will end up 80/20 or somewhere in that range. That is until after the 2 years is up and they give everyone the option to upgrade to the XSX+ or whatever.
Switch. Even after the release of the lite, the full fat version has sold more.
no way, i believe the xss will fade out of the marketplace.
storage issues alone are a big thing that will likely kneecap it. you expect consumers not to notice it will probably have ~400GB available out of the box? given call of duty, there are probably single games that will push that sooner or later.
at the end of the day it sounds like a good concept, but a slightly smaller soc (the big CPU alone is unchanged, you're just saving some CU's that take little die area, in fact the much bigger real savings are likely in a few GB RAM and removing the disk drive) just doesn't save you enough money to matter. if you took the optical out of the series x for a apples to apples comp, it'd be 150 difference between them. and then it's said ms loses more on the S, so whats the real difference, $100? that's not worth it. it will have even more struggle down the line when series x price starts dropping, as there's less room to go anywhere on the series s price, and if this gen is any indication, anything below 299 will be a brutal struggle to get too.
storage issues alone are a big thing that will likely kneecap it. you expect consumers not to notice it will probably have ~400GB available out of the box? given call of duty, there are probably single games that will push that sooner or later.
at the end of the day it sounds like a good concept, but a slightly smaller soc (the big CPU alone is unchanged, you're just saving some CU's that take little die area, in fact the much bigger real savings are likely in a few GB RAM and removing the disk drive) just doesn't save you enough money to matter. if you took the optical out of the series x for a apples to apples comp, it'd be 150 difference between them. and then it's said ms loses more on the S, so whats the real difference, $100? that's not worth it. it will have even more struggle down the line when series x price starts dropping, as there's less room to go anywhere on the series s price, and if this gen is any indication, anything below 299 will be a brutal struggle to get too.
I think even casuals care about power, they want to see a decent upgrade before spending hundreds of dollars. On the other habd it is cheap, and MS themselves are basically saying don't bother with Series X. I think initially Series S will sell better and SX will close the gap as the gen moves on.
The Series S reveal has penetrated the mainstream in a way that it's the first time many folks are even hearing about a next gen Xbox. The Series X, due to a combination of numerous factors, such as the naming convention, has struggled to make ground. That price point has pricked up a lot of ears. Also there's something to be said for the power of a simple marketing dump of "here's the box, here's the surprisingly low price, here's what it can do, preorder it in a few weeks".
Yes. But possibly not until the end of next year when the consoles move beyond the early adopter window, which will be XSX leaning.
Vastly so
The closest thing I can compare it to isn't even the One S and One X but the Moto G and the Moto X phones back in 2013, one will get praised in terms of value and sell very well based on that and the other is respected as a premium device that'll sell to enthusiasts but not absolutely everyone.
The people who just want a "box that does thing" seriously outnumber the people who want 4k
The closest thing I can compare it to isn't even the One S and One X but the Moto G and the Moto X phones back in 2013, one will get praised in terms of value and sell very well based on that and the other is respected as a premium device that'll sell to enthusiasts but not absolutely everyone.
The people who just want a "box that does thing" seriously outnumber the people who want 4k
Of course not. Series S will be the lead console with devs targeting 1080p/30 then simply "up-rezing" to PS5 and Series X (likely a straight 1800p and 4K port respectively). This is why so many people have been against the Series S from the beginning. Its very existence and inevitable success all but guarantees we're never going to see games that push PS5/X to the limit (1440p or less). Doing so would mean S runs at 720p or lower, which is untenable from a marketing perspective.
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If you're talking about the Xbox SAD that's hardly a fair comparison. That hardware revision happened near the end of the console's lifecycle while the Series S will be there day one.
I was going to possibly say yes if just random people want a cheaper game console, but then remembered it is without a disc drive and so they won't be able to pick up cheap traded in games and share discs with friends, etc and so I'm back to no.
I think those people will just decide on a switch or just figure they'll spend extra for the x considering they'll still be able to use discs.
I think those people will just decide on a switch or just figure they'll spend extra for the x considering they'll still be able to use discs.
It's still nuts to think that consoles had that little hard drive capacity last gen
Agree, its too early to tell which ps5 will sell most because it will depend on the value propositions.
The XSS is honestly more exciting to me than the XSX.
300 euros to be able to play all the newest AAA games with all the bells and whistles outside of resolution is a pretty incredible proposition, and the box itself looks great too. I have a high end PC and planning to buy 3080, so I have really no reason to be excited for an xbox, but this little box is honestly extremely impressive to me. The XSS is the ultimate arguement ender when it comes to comparing the barrier of entry for PC vs console, and no, I don't intend on turning this into platform wars or anything, besides I vastly prefer PC, it's just that, I think, XSS plays up the STRONGEST aspects of console gaming (size, price, convenience) in a much more spectacular way than its bigger brother.
4k is very nice, but even on my 50" 4k tv, 1080p still looks good, and frankly, just about any other graphical feature like ray tracing, or the potential of the zen cores, more 60 fps games or the super fast SSD sound far more exciting to me than higher resolution.
if MS keeps a steady stream of quality games coming, I can see them making a huge comeback with Xbox next gen. I doubt Sony can get close to this level of pricing with even the digital PS5.
300 euros to be able to play all the newest AAA games with all the bells and whistles outside of resolution is a pretty incredible proposition, and the box itself looks great too. I have a high end PC and planning to buy 3080, so I have really no reason to be excited for an xbox, but this little box is honestly extremely impressive to me. The XSS is the ultimate arguement ender when it comes to comparing the barrier of entry for PC vs console, and no, I don't intend on turning this into platform wars or anything, besides I vastly prefer PC, it's just that, I think, XSS plays up the STRONGEST aspects of console gaming (size, price, convenience) in a much more spectacular way than its bigger brother.
4k is very nice, but even on my 50" 4k tv, 1080p still looks good, and frankly, just about any other graphical feature like ray tracing, or the potential of the zen cores, more 60 fps games or the super fast SSD sound far more exciting to me than higher resolution.
if MS keeps a steady stream of quality games coming, I can see them making a huge comeback with Xbox next gen. I doubt Sony can get close to this level of pricing with even the digital PS5.
If we are talking about the two launch models, then I can see it being pretty close to 50/50 but with a high chance that the XSS selling a bit more. However I think that Microsoft will remove the XSS when they do a refresh in ~3-4 years and launch an all digital XSX slim at the same price point.
I would hold on the all the bells and whistles part for xss.
Its like saying x1s has all the bells and whistles of x1x but lower resolution which is not the case. X1x had more bells and whistles for sure.
I think the Switch regular outsells the lite if I'm not mistaken.
The X1X is a different beast compared to the X1 or X1S.
The X is running a different GPU architecture, much more efficient and capable. They also got rid of the awful ESRAM and replaced it with higher bandwith memory. And clocked the CPU considerably higher.
X1-X1X isn't linear scaling.
XSX -> XSS seems to be fairly linear, the same tech just scaled down for lower resolutions. Of course there might be instances where the X has a few extra effects or details here and there but I trust MS' engineers to have worked this out properly. They were confident enough to state it so in their marketing.
Very different proposition though. The Lite has bascially les functunality due to being handheld only.
Yes. But with All Access, I think that the percentages will be something like 65-35, a lot of people will think "Hey with only a few bucks more every month I can get the X? " and go for the X.
I don't see myself getting a 4k TV for another few years so the Series S is more than enough for me.
Its a day 1 without even blinking
Its a day 1 without even blinking
Yes. There are way more people with the capability to buy in at $300 than $500. That would be the case under normal conditions but especially right now.
I mean to me it's not that different because having less power and no disc drive is a completely different demographic and function set for a console that's sole purpose is to play cutting edge next gen games at the highest fidelity just like the Switch's purpose is to Switch. Of course the Switch's difference matters more and I do agree about that. That said, the only qualifier was a cheaper sku selling less than a more expensive one and that's all I was trying to meet. I wasn't thinking beyond that.
