Whether or not someone is making money using an IP they don't own is way over-emphasized on the internet when it really doesn't matter that much in copyright law. If it's not your IP, you either can't use it at all or it's fair use which you can monetize.
Sony going after Dreams creations that use Nintendo IP at the request of Nintendo
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i know, but the motivation of a creator has nothing to do with Sony. Im not even arguing why they took it off
probably. but i wasn't really talking about Nintendo
So are you saying that MM and Sony aren't profiting from Dreams sales and ps plus subs?
Or are you denying that part of the dreams appeal isn't in these kind of creations?
I expected this. Nintendo is a pain when it comes to shit like this andd it sucks.
If it was me making these games, I would have just changed mario into Grandad and been done with it.
If it was me making these games, I would have just changed mario into Grandad and been done with it.
You generally can't copyright game mechanics. That game would be fine.
I think technically if you literally copied the animations frame by frame, you might run into issues, but if you changed it up at all it'd be fine.
Unbelievable comments here from people who would pitch a fit if Nintendo added in Kratos to Smash without asking Sony first.
How on Earth is that the same thing....
Christ the hoops people jump through...
Eh, I can't really fault Nintendo too much on this one.
I'm a pretty big fan of fangames so I usually disagree with them on this issues but you got something like Dunkey's videos with a combined 6 million views advertising Mario fangames on a paid Sony platform. It's pretty clear cut
I'm a pretty big fan of fangames so I usually disagree with them on this issues but you got something like Dunkey's videos with a combined 6 million views advertising Mario fangames on a paid Sony platform. It's pretty clear cut
Except it is not Sony who are making it but the players of Dreams, and Smash doesn't have a creation mode to make GOW in it.
Dreams is a product that Sony make money from. In that product it uses Nintendo IP that they had no permission to host.
they're removing it to be compliant. If Nintendo didn't ask they wouldn't have bothered.
I know right? Imagine Kratos, Kat, Doom Guy fighting Mario, Kirby and Isabelle...
If that doesn't sound fucking awesome then nothing is.
Nintendo, please. At least let us have Wario.
Yup. If Sega allowed Sonic Dreams Collection, anything goes.
The Sonic movie just made a bunch of money. If the Sonic brand started making a ton of money/getting a bunch of prestige again I can see Sega getting precious with their IP. At this point I'm sure they are just happy with the press ( meme or sincere).
They started being real precious with their ip last year actually
Lol we're people thinking Nintendo wouldn't notice? Not surprising at all. Can't really blame Nintendo for that one
Shocker, this was inevitable since Dreams are hosted on Sony's servers. One of the best parts of Dreams eventually coming to PC will be third party hosting of content making it possible for things that fit into legal grey areas like this to thrive away from corporate control
Ever seem a take so bad you need to step out for a while?
Pray tell the difference between Sony wilfully selling a product that uses Nintendo IP without the owners permission versus someone else including one of their IP in a competitors product without permission.
it's the defensive shit like this that it's Nintendo being the villain that gets me when Sony Are profiting off the toolset people are using to make those "dreams"
if y'all can't make a fuckin dream thatplays well and is enjoyable without infringing on an IP then I dunno.
whatever
Nintendo's stance on the topic has been well known for years.
If, despite knowing that the chances of getting stuff pulled due to copyright law, people still used the IP then tough luck.
If, despite knowing that the chances of getting stuff pulled due to copyright law, people still used the IP then tough luck.
This thread was fine until you begun to press 'post reply'. Go and get some fresh air or something ... 🍃
An actually comparable situation would be a Smash stage a user made or a God of War Mario Maker level. If Sony had made this Mario dream Nintendo wouldn't request it to be taken down, they'd sue.
Well, this is the interesting thing. The creators are getting really good at it, and that's when I'm not surprised Nintendo step in. It could eventually be something that could be confused for their own stuff.
Even it the games featuring Nintendo IP are being made by fans within Dreams, people need to realize that these creations will inspire people to buy Dreams to play them, which means Sony is profiting off of the Nintendo IP.
It really isn't that complicated to me.
It really isn't that complicated to me.
This I can still get. What mostly annoys me is people in this thread using this as an opportunity to talk shit about fan artists in general though.
and it starts.
Realistically I'd hazard a guess that the ratio of Nintendo creations to Other IP done in dreams is incredibly high. I've seen pages and pages when I romped around it in early access and I wouldn't doubt its grown exponentially following the official release.
Realistically I'd hazard a guess that the ratio of Nintendo creations to Other IP done in dreams is incredibly high. I've seen pages and pages when I romped around it in early access and I wouldn't doubt its grown exponentially following the official release.
Wow you're really serious.
Of course Nintendo has the right to shut this down since Sony/MM profit from their IP.
But there is a MASSIVE (legal) difference between those two scenarios you were talking about. It's user generated content. Read up on the legal background of that if you haven't heard about that concept so far.
I've been reading comments everywhere about how Nintendo is the most anti-consumer company in the gaming industry. Lol. Man, people just forget about things like Sony's rootkit scandal and shit. I get being against Nintendo's decision on this, but Nintendo is not the worst by far.
Not really, Sonic is much more popular there for some reason. Disney stuff too.
If a company doesn't defend its copyright, it could lose it (or at the very least, erode its ability to convince courts of infringement).
At least, that's what I read on the internet. And we know the internet never lies.
Yeah. Or all the Doom mods that are basically "Copyright Infringement: The Game" that still exist and prosper. It's always sad when such fan projects that aren't even sold for money get shot down like that.
It really is straightforward, sometimes I just don't understand people here. I wouldn't be surprised if Disney does something similar soon.
Oh man, well this thread delivered. Thanks for the good laugh, I needed that today.
I mean, I'm not surprised people are defending Nintendo here, that's to be expected after all this time and the weird takes and mental gymnastics I've seen through the years, but at least try to argue with a point that makes sense and not something completely different from what's being discussed here. Also, if Kratos were to show up in Smash that'd be fucking amazing, it would make up for his appearance in that stupid Smash clone from some years ago.
