Sony going after Dreams creations that use Nintendo IP at the request of Nintendo
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Good for Nintendo for protecting their IP from less-than-ideal and frankly, often poor remakes of their best-selling properties.
More Dreams creators should focus on making original content instead of just making yet another Mario simulator.
More Dreams creators should focus on making original content instead of just making yet another Mario simulator.
Rolling my eyes but this is par for the course for Nintendo.
They still hassling Youtubers these days as well?
They still hassling Youtubers these days as well?
The users of Dreams should be artistically expressing their own ideas. I would even be ok with MM eventually banning repeat offenders that use licensed IPs without permission.
One of the mm devs went on twitter to express they would never stop a dreamers creative freedom in reply to remakes and other ip. They will simply take it down if asked
This isn't really any different from me downloading UE4, making a sidescroller God of War fangame, and putting it on Steam as a free-to-play game. You bet your ass and a half that's not going to fly with Sony.
I think that's a good point. While Nintendo is overprotective of their IP in a lot of cases, Dreams is not your usual fan art/fan game.
Yeah I fail to see what some are complaining about here. The name and likeness of Mario alone is worth Billions of dollars.
If that was somehow ruined by a scandal on a platform they didn't own or control it would be catastrophic.
It's typical Nintendo to get the lawyers out but the reasoning is completely valid.
If that was somehow ruined by a scandal on a platform they didn't own or control it would be catastrophic.
It's typical Nintendo to get the lawyers out but the reasoning is completely valid.
Technically nintendo is not in the wrong, so is sony. But only because neither of them are to be blamed, doesnt mean i have to support their practise. So yeah, i wont buy Dreams and i will encourage my friends to do the same
Nintendo are doing what they are entitled to do legally to protect their IP.
Sony are doing what they should do legally to protect themselves from IP claims by Nintendo.
Media molecule are doing what their paymasters (Sony) order them to in order to maintain good standing.
Why would you essentially punish MM? This response doesn't make sense.
This is to be expected. Whenever there is user created stuff in a game it's always "quick, let's enjoy this thing while it lasts before they take it down".
Companies want to protect their property and Nintendo is especially vicious about this. It sucks, but they're technically in the right to do so, can't really fault them much for that.
I'll be more curious to see if Nintendo will do the same and go after the stuff people are putting in Animal Crossing.
Companies want to protect their property and Nintendo is especially vicious about this. It sucks, but they're technically in the right to do so, can't really fault them much for that.
I'll be more curious to see if Nintendo will do the same and go after the stuff people are putting in Animal Crossing.
P5 is a PS4 exclusive game. Some of you are really reaching lol. Like no shit neither Sony nor Atlus would have a problem with this.
Of course. They are not in the wrong here. My question is how long they will do it? The game's selling point is recreation. If every recreation can be taken down, then whats the point of this game?
This twitter thread is so stupid. It's clearly a 1:1 representation of Mewtwo, so just because the person slapped "(fanart)" onto it, doesn't mean it's actually fan art. Nor does it comply with Fair Use policies.
People are really reaching.
Huh? What's wrong with some of yall what even is this conclusion?
The game selling point is create play share. That doesn't mean it's only for recreations?
And besides that just because Nintendo super strict on their ip don't mean everyone will. There's plenty of Sonics, Bethesda, nick, Cartoon Network list goes on ip in dreams that have been there for the last two years in fact
What a weird way of putting things into perspective. For one thing not all of the creations will be taken down, in fact hardly a few other than those purposely infringing on copyright properties. Second of all they are doing what they've been asked to do, so why would you tell your friends not to buy it?
A better way to put it is to not support Nintendo because it is they who don't like creative freedom unless they can cash in on it.
I should a put a /s on every end of my posts huh...
But where's the fun in that?
The true main selling point of Dreams not just only 'recreation' but also original contents made by the creators & Dreams tools.
You could make original music.
Original game.
Original short film.
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Sculpt, sketch, etc.
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Those 'recreations' created in Dreams because they can.
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What a backfire for Nintendo. They look bad, promote Dreams (this thread is incredible), lose free advertising, all in 1 silly move. Let's say someone makes a perfect Mario 64 remake in Dreams, and Nintendo is planning on selling a real Mario 64 remake in 6 months. What Nintendo fan or game fan in general is really going to say 'oh I just played it in Dreams so I don't need to play the Nintendo remake'? Absolute rubbish. Same rediculous thing actually happened to AM2R. Yes Nintendo your IP is your most valuable asset. Let talented fans make it more valuable. Who cares if it's on Sony's platform you got everything else in smash.
Let's be real, if you were Nintendo would you seriously consider leaving your most prized multi-billion dollar asset in the hands of amateur creators on a competing platforms create-a-game product?
This sounds likely to fail more than it works and its extremely risky.
If somebody made a dreams creation with Mario secretly alongside controversial political symbols Nintendo would be the ones that lose out.
Their reaction is completely understandable.
I was waiting for Nintendo to do this shit. Not surprised at all.
It's understandable but still shitty.
It's understandable but still shitty.
It's far easier to do what you said in like a hojillion different ways and much easier to spread on computers and phones. Like, what is your scenario, lil' timmy wanders into Dreams level "Mario salutes Hitler" and his mom never buys a Nintendo product after? If Timmy wants his Mario Hitler content, the internet probably already has him covered.
There are hundreds of companies with their "assets" on Dreams, including companies like Disney. They are out litigating DISNEY.
lol backfire? Nobody is even going to care about this in a week or two. I also don't think Nintendo is hurting for advertisement of their products.
Backfire for Nintendo ? lol
Some of you are really overstating how important it is for the general public that users of Sony first party title can use Nintendos IPs for their creation. Especially right now - most people don't care and every older than 21 understand why this is happening.
Good for Nintendo to make clear early that they arent happy with it instead of letting these players develops clones for months and years and then shut them down after they finish.
Yeah maybe but that's their most prized IP asset.
The worst case scenario could involve a lot of news attention or viral posts that damage sales down the line.
If the next Mario game sold a modest 500k less thats still a $24m loss.
I get it, fans can frequently make positive stuff as they have in Super Mario Maker 2 and elsewhere.
But when it's on a platform that Nintendo has zero control over AND the direct revenue benefit is to one their competitors, it makes zero sense to not pursue removing the content.
Yep as I said this is going to become a problem for Dreams now that the floodgates have opened so to speak. Sony are obviously not going to contest anything going by this so those 'oh they're just considering their options whilst they prepare to counter this obvious wrong claim' were just wrong as was clear from the outset.
Aren't parodies protected under copyright law? Wouldn't using that IP be permitted if the intent of the work was to parody the original work?
So, instead of having fan-art of people expressing their love of Nintendo characters, you'd be left with numerous works that make fun of them. Doesn't matter, I guess. Nintendo is allowed to protect their IP but even still there are limits to the sort of content they can restrict.
Edit: As the platform holder, Sony is allowed to control the content within Dreams. If they are going to remove all references to Mario from Dreams, it doesn't matter if the work was used legitimately or not.
So, instead of having fan-art of people expressing their love of Nintendo characters, you'd be left with numerous works that make fun of them. Doesn't matter, I guess. Nintendo is allowed to protect their IP but even still there are limits to the sort of content they can restrict.
Edit: As the platform holder, Sony is allowed to control the content within Dreams. If they are going to remove all references to Mario from Dreams, it doesn't matter if the work was used legitimately or not.
A big reason you shouldn't work on fan games that is often brought up is that if you're going to put in that work, you might as well make something original. However Dreams doesn't yet have monetization methods for the games so a fan game or original idea might be equal parts a "time waste" as people are still learning the software.
